Russian special military operation in Ukraine #16

From Ukrainian Eurovision winners' Instagram


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flamming_python wrote:From Ukrainian Eurovision winners' Instagram


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2 days ago I saw a video of those nazi praying some pagan gods.

They would lick any ass to get some more propaganda.

Their new goal is to achieve the most possible likes on twitter. What a dumb country with no future.

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flamming_python wrote:From Ukrainian Eurovision winners' Instagram


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2 days ago I saw a video of those nazi praying some pagan gods.

They would lick any ass to get some more propaganda.

Their new goal is to achieve the most possible likes on twitter. What a dumb country with no future.

Are you guys surprised at all by this?

Honestly, with all the nonsense coming out of this country for so long now, is anyone surprised by how low it can actually go?

At the moment, Russia and the People's Republics have about 7,000 captured Ukrainians in their captivity.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:


2. Your link proves nothing, all I see are tanks on a train, they could be from anywhere, there is no indication where those tanks are coming from or when they were made. Those words do not claim these are fresh T90Ms, its talking about the Avoz surrender. Also how do you know those are brand new T90Ms? They have a tarp over them could literally be any tank with an APS.

you can check Alexey Kholoptov's Blog for pictures. Also includes the press release from UVZ.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2022/05/90_50.html

Today I was shocked to see at least one or two dozen aircraft over the sky in southwest Germany, where one of them was a low flying black military transporter and another one a Chinook helo. In my location I am usually spotting only 2-4 civilian aircraft per day, so the rest must have been military transports. There were not nearly as many aircraft at once like today. Their direction was heading mostly south, so I don't think they were heading towards the Nato drills in the North. If I may guess they will use Romania to supply Ukraine near Odessa.
If that is true, then at least I hope Russia knows what is coming right now towards them and wish them all the best.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Again doesn't say is these are one of the hundreds meant to be refitted or a brand spanking new vehicle from top to bottom, the claim was they are producing fresh T90's not they are refitting the older versions to M

Well, it's pretty fresh to me. Like the turret is definitely new as you will not find any refurbished version of Proryv turret. God knows what's inside it. and the engine is probaly new too.

The thing is that, there clearly no real lack of components as one person claim e.g Dylan Malyashov and UVZ is clearly not stop producing stuff.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:


2. Your link proves nothing, all I see are tanks on a train, they could be from anywhere, there is no indication where those tanks are coming from or when they were made. Those words do not claim these are fresh T90Ms, its talking about the Avoz surrender. Also how do you know those are brand new T90Ms? They have a tarp over them could literally be any tank with an APS.

you can check Alexey Kholoptov's Blog for pictures.  Also includes the press release from UVZ.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2022/05/90_50.html

Again doesn't say is these are one of the hundreds meant to be refitted or a brand spanking new vehicle from top to bottom, the claim was they are producing fresh T90's not they are refitting the older versions to M

And that would prove what? Even if they are refitting old ones, all electronics, engine, wiring, turret, gun and other things have to be new, as they are completely different. You want to prove that Russians can't produce steel because of sanctions?

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:


2. Your link proves nothing, all I see are tanks on a train, they could be from anywhere, there is no indication where those tanks are coming from or when they were made. Those words do not claim these are fresh T90Ms, its talking about the Avoz surrender. Also how do you know those are brand new T90Ms? They have a tarp over them could literally be any tank with an APS.

you can check Alexey Kholoptov's Blog for pictures.  Also includes the press release from UVZ.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2022/05/90_50.html

Again doesn't say is these are one of the hundreds meant to be refitted or a brand spanking new vehicle from top to bottom, the claim was they are producing fresh T90's not they are refitting the older versions to M

And that would prove what? Even if they are refitting old ones, all electronics, engine, wiring, turret, gun and other things have to be new, as they are completely different. You want to prove that Russians can't produce steel because of sanctions?

There is a difference in reffiting and building from ground up, also if they are producing fresh tanks that warrant questions of why? Russia never stated it planned to make brand new t90m's, the plan was to upgrade these and make T14's.

So the meaning is different.

What is the T14 Super behind schedule that they feel like they need to produce more T90M's? are losses that catastrophic on the front, they are making fresh tanks? or for some strange reason they just decided "Eh lets make new T90M" despite against they never announced that attention in years prior.

Unexpected decisions like building brand new T90M's had to be warranted by something if there are making them and russia current tanks are fine for the ukraine conflict, You don't just burn millions building new tanks that you never for.

I think they ordered 130 or some number like that. They delivered 65 last year. You're reading too much into this.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:


2. Your link proves nothing, all I see are tanks on a train, they could be from anywhere, there is no indication where those tanks are coming from or when they were made. Those words do not claim these are fresh T90Ms, its talking about the Avoz surrender. Also how do you know those are brand new T90Ms? They have a tarp over them could literally be any tank with an APS.

you can check Alexey Kholoptov's Blog for pictures.  Also includes the press release from UVZ.

http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2022/05/90_50.html

Again doesn't say is these are one of the hundreds meant to be refitted or a brand spanking new vehicle from top to bottom, the claim was they are producing fresh T90's not they are refitting the older versions to M

From a couple years back it was announced that they would be doing both...refitted and new builds. It would be posted somewhere in the T-90 thread but I'm not looking

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Seems like a good chunk of recently donated Polish T-72s were blown up near Gulyaipole.

Does anyone know what the Kalibr targets were last night? I saw some videos of UA SAMs misfiring and also hitting civilian buildings in Lvov in failed interceptions (much like the infamous "Russian strike" on an apartment highrise in Kiev in late February, failed UA interception of a low-flying cruise missile).

But based on what I saw, it seems like these Kalibrs were directed further west this time, they just overflew Lvov.

The Yaroriv range again

Russia keeps blowing it up, they keep comin' back

One thing I would like to know, for those that know about the history of the conflict back to the 2014 days.

Strelkov seems like a bitter old man at war with the whole world. I think perhaps justifiably so, as the militias were a hodgepodge of stubborn individuals bickering with each other and each making the war in its own. I can understand a regular soldier like Strelkov would end frustrated with the whole lot.

Can anyone with some knowledge explain to me the venom Strelkov feels toward other militia leaders? I understand he's bitter because he was relieved of command by the Kremlin and replaced with people more pliable.

So why Strelkov despises the following people?

- Borodai: That's a no brainer, he felt abandoned to his fate in Slavyansk and later it seems Borodai sucked up to the Kremlin, so he's a sellout, not as bad as Pushilin, though

- Zakharchenko: He was a likable guy, but it seems he started sort of a hechman to the oligarch Akhmetov then became militia leader. Basically they replaced Strelkov with Zakharchenko. Aside from jeaulosy Strelkov criticized him for his vanity with pomp and circumstance putting on dress uniforms and again, because he followed Moscow wishes. For all his faults and the fact that power got to his head, he seemed a more likable personality than Pushilin

- Igor Bezler. In this case they seem that they deserve each other. Bezler was the hero of Gorlovka but didn't cooperate well with Strelkov.

- but my chief question is about Aleksandr Khodakovsky as the only one active on the war right now, in a position of importance, reading his telegram channel he looks like a patriot and some of his interviews shows he's a cultured man. I really want to like the guy now, but he has a murky past. It seems that like Zakharchenko he started as a goon for an oligarch and always had political ambitions beyond being a batalion commander. I think Strelkov despises him because he was an intriguer.

I won't mention non-entities as Mozgovoi, charismatic but not a good soldier and even worse as a politician, Kozitsyn who was a loose cannon, and Bolotov that also seemed a good guy but got poisoned for his trouble.

There are two types of people: those that blame everybody around them for their own failures, and those that are blamed as a scapegoat by everybody around them. Strelkov must be one of these extremes or the truth might be somewhere in between.

So what did Khodakovsky do back then? He seems like a nice guy.

I always thought it was sad that all these people that were evidently courageous and patriots quarreled with each other and some got murdered.

Yes, Strelkov is not a people's person and he might be a jerk, but he was there, tried his best, and he incurred in the Kremlin's displeasure wich is quite a good endorsement and time has proven him right.

So I wonder why he has such a low opinion of Khodakovsky. I don't know anything about him, except vague rumors and contradictory interviews.

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mnztr wrote:

diabetus wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

mnztr wrote:...
I don't see how any weapon that can fire a 155mm projectile can be worthless...

Alright, I just googled this fabled M777 and it turns out it's just a fuckin' howitzer, are you fuckin' kidding me with this shit?

People have been whining about it like it's a fuckin' railgun or something

Yeah, a howitzer will change course of this war, Jesus Christ what a bunch of retards...

Yeah it's not really more capable than the MSTA save for reduced weight.

It has more range then at MSTA, but its not self propelled so its vulnerable to counter battery fire. Its not magic, but a howitzer is a powerful weapon when used well.

It doesn't really have more range. I was referring to the towed Msta howitzer, not the SP version.

Wiki still lists a longer range for excalibur rounds. I have wondered why they don't use discarding sabot rounds for longer range, for example, a 122mm round in a sabot. Should be able to get 8-10 km more range.

Hole wrote:

Reinforcements are coming

This is some megabad Photoshop right here

But for a split-second there I was highly confused

Ispan wrote:One thing I would like to know, for those that know about the history of the conflict back to the 2014 days.

Strelkov seems like a bitter old man at war with the whole world. I think perhaps justifiably so, as the militias were a hodgepodge of stubborn individuals bickering with each other and each making the war in its own. I can understand a regular soldier like Strelkov would end frustrated with the whole lot.

Can anyone with some knowledge explain to me the venom Strelkov feels toward other militia leaders? I understand he's bitter because he was relieved of command by the Kremlin and replaced with people more pliable.

So why Strelkov despises the following people?

- Borodai: That's a no brainer, he felt abandoned to his fate in Slavyansk and later it seems Borodai sucked up to the Kremlin, so he's a sellout, not as bad as Pushilin, though

- Zakharchenko: He was a likable guy, but it seems he started sort of a hechman to the oligarch Akhmetov then became militia leader. Basically they replaced Strelkov with Zakharchenko. Aside from jeaulosy Strelkov criticized him for his vanity with pomp and circumstance putting on dress uniforms and again, because he followed Moscow wishes. For all his faults and the fact that power got to his head, he seemed a more likable personality than Pushilin

- Igor Bezler. In this case they seem that they deserve each other. Bezler was the hero of Gorlovka but didn't cooperate well with Strelkov.

- but my chief question is about Aleksandr Khodakovsky as the only one active on the war right now, in a position of importance, reading his telegram channel he looks like a patriot and some of his interviews shows he's a cultured man. I really want to like the guy now, but he has a murky past. It seems that like Zakharchenko he started as a goon for an oligarch and always had political ambitions beyond being a batalion commander. I think Strelkov despises him because he was an intriguer.

I won't mention non-entities as Mozgovoi, charismatic but not a good soldier and even worse as a politician, Kozitsyn who was a loose cannon, and Bolotov that also seemed a good guy but got poisoned for his trouble.

There are two types of people: those that blame everybody around them for their own failures, and those that are blamed as a scapegoat by everybody around them. Strelkov must be one of these extremes or the truth might be somewhere in between.

So what did Khodakovsky do back then? He seems like a nice guy.

I always thought it was sad that all these people that were evidently courageous and patriots quarreled with each other and some got murdered.

Yes, Strelkov is not a people's person and he might be a jerk, but he was there, tried his best, and he incurred in the Kremlin's displeasure wich is quite a good endorsement and time has proven him right.

So I wonder why he has such a low opinion of Khodakovsky. I don't know anything about him, except vague rumors and contradictory interviews.

Khodakovsky?

He was a murky character even around the start of the rebellion, along with Bezler. Among all the commanders of the rebellion there were always the most questions towards both of them among people who followed the conflict.
Strelkov's motivations and character can be understood. Mozgovoi's - no brainer. Zakharchenko? He was just Moscow's man
But Khodakovsky and Bezler are harder to figure out and they offered up few details about themselves or their histories.

My impression based on his scarce but largely uncritical mentions of them is that Strelkov has grudging respect towards both. They were after all right there at the start along with him, and are still active. As commanders they were both pretty competent. But they're not his friends for sure.