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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:08 pm

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    NEW: @PentagonPresSec said just now Ukraine "have received additional aircraft and the aircraft parts to help them get more more aircraft in the air" recently


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    🇺🇸 US Army is worried that the weapons sent to Ukraine will be used by militias and other forces

    U.S. has few ways to track exactly where weapons it sent to Ukraine end up, Pentagon tells CNN.

    The US Department of Defense fears the risk that in the long term some of the weapons "may end up in the hands of other armed forces and militias that the US did not intend to arm."

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    PSSST : its the Black market .. Ukraine per .Cap. 5000€ , Javelin 250.000€ (normal market)

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    Those weapons are being funneled to all sorts of far-right groups in Europe and sold on black market to foreign agents. The USA’s foreign policy is always short-sighted. There WILL be blowback.

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    Post  zorobabel Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:11 pm

    I think the Ukrops want to turn Azovstal into another Donestk airport propaganda battle, which they considered somehow a victory. Best to let the DNR and RF handle it as they see fit.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:15 pm

    I wonder which civilians he is talking about?

    Is ne saying all civilians gone? So Russia can bomb to its heart's content?

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    Statement released by the #Azov Deputy Commander shortly after the civilians left: “We will fight, we will use every cartridge we have left, but we call on the homeland to save civilians, the wounded and take away the bodies” - Kalina, Deputy Commander of the Azov Regiment
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    Post  mnztr Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:25 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 4 Fqt6sx11
    Some gains were made today
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 4 Fqthi710
    School in Mariupol opened
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    More presents were found

    Who the **** put the explosives rignt next to the radiator ?

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    Post  zorobabel Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:57 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 4 Fqt6sx11
    Some gains were made today
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 4 Fqthi710
    School in Mariupol opened
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 4 Fqu2_y10
    More presents were found

    Who the **** put the explosives rignt next to the radiator ?
    Probably somebody like these guys: https://t.me/voenacher/15760
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    Post  mnztr Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:12 am

    Singular_Transform wrote:No bunker ever been designed to withstand well equipped enemies standing on the top of it.


    The vents/ holes could be filled up with liquid explosive, like the ones used in the mines, and one by one blown up.

    The pressure waves will clean out the tunels, killing everyone, and don't forget, every kg of explosive will generate one cubic meter of poisonous gas.

    This was the strategy of the USA in the Pacific theatre.


    Just fill up the bunker access tunels with cheap liquid explosive, and detonate it.


    I saw a video, but I can't locate it any more.

    This is a mine equipment, just to be clear how simple the process is :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GblJ8Er70T0


    No need for anything too special. Propane and oxygen will be quite effective. run the hoses, stand well clear and start the pumps. You can even tell the nazis what's happening and that if they so much as cause a spark they will be in hades. Even if you pump pure oxygen in there, things become extremely dangerous.
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    Post  mnztr Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:22 am

    Is there any data that would help us assess how Russia has done with interdiction? This is so incredibly important IMHO, if there is any hope of finishing this war soon. If they cannot stop resupply, then the US can keep sending weapons in for years. I am still puzzled why rail links and bridges to the west are not yet blown. Also I saw a video of a helo gunship hovering over a convoy...like a sitting duck. I was just waiting for it to get blown out of the sky, but it did not happen. The only way is they need to move forward fast, then circle back, but keep moving fast and low.

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    Post  zorobabel Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:26 am

    Ukrainian Mi-24 near Nikolaev: https://t.me/swodki/74417

    Does Russia have the air defense capabilities in Kherson to bring this down?

    Edit: Based on the dashboard position at 0:12, this is about 20km from Russian positions in Kherson.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:37 am

    zorobabel wrote:Ukrainian Mi-24 near Nikolaev: https://t.me/swodki/74417

    Does Russia have the air defense capabilities in Kherson to bring this down?

    Edit: Based on the dashboard position at 0:12, this is about 20km from Russian positions in Kherson.

    It would surprise me if they don't at least have MANPADS, but maybe they have become cocky. Surely they have a Pantsir vehicle somewhere to shoot it down. More importantly, they need to see where its based.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:17 am

    Kherson itself seems problematic against very low flying aircraft. This is example of possible Pantsyr coverage.

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    If the Helicopter can fly 5 meters above ground level, there will be considerable amount of gaps it can make use, possible detection range is 10 km, but patchy.  Situation would improve if the helo flies at 30 m or more. But Ukraine might try to fly as low as possible. This would probably force Russia to put considerable amount of men with Manpads.  Still the best medicine would be Air patrol with Kamovs or aircrafts.

    Or pre-empt by deleting those helicopters with artilleries, bombing or kalibrs.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:39 am

    For Germany, in 1941 it was 'lebensraum'; now, in 2022, it is 'Russia can't win in its plea to denazify'. They never learn!

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:05 am

    JohninMK wrote:...
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    Those weapons are being funneled to all sorts of far-right groups in Europe and sold on black market to foreign agents. The USA’s foreign policy is always short-sighted. There WILL be blowback.[/i]

    Yeah, reminds me of my highschool days just after Bosnian War finished and suddenly there was so much ordnance around that we had hand grenades going off in nightclubs over bitches, mobsters using RPGs to send a message to businesses who forget to pay protection money (trust me, you need protection from RPG) and weddings with 45 Kalashnikov salute on full auto Afghan style only with way more alcohol and less considerations for safety

    Even way over in Sweden which used to be quiet before then they suddenly had gangsters from Balkans throwing​ hand grenades like they are firecrackers (why hassle with guns when you can cover more ground with grenades?)

    Fortunately we never experienced joys of unlicensed use of MANPADS but it looks like EU might get ahead of the curve there at this rate





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    Post  Krepost Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:56 am

    Both Ukrainian warships with the name Donbass have been sunk in Mariopol port.

    I posted photos of the command ship Donbass a few days ago.

    This Donbass is a patrol boat (Stenka class) belonging to the Ukrainian coast guard.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:25 am

    Krepost wrote:Both Ukrainian warships with the name Donbass have been sunk in Mariopol port.

    I posted photos of the command ship Donbass a few days ago.

    This Donbass is a patrol boat (Stenka class) belonging to the Ukrainian coast guard.

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    Shame, could have been handed over to the DNR

    BTW the DNR expanded yesterday. Past it's administrative borders. The district of Rovenskoe in the Kherson region voted to join it

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:01 am

    "🇺🇦🇫🇷France is ready to provide security guarantees to Ukraine, but only after the end of the war - Bloomberg, citing Macron's representative."

    https://t.me/intelslava/25975

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:35 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:I'm kinda curious on Russian AEW deployment, why does Russia not seem to deploy A-50 in Crimea to monitor Black sea ?  That will improve coverage against low flyers and "eyes" for the fleet.

    A-50U In Baranovichi have good coverage across the Poland and considerable part of Ukraine, But Romanian and Moldovan airspace are nearly without cover, the following is an example of possible launch positions and the respective coverage of the JASSM's. Notice the "Black Sea Gap"

    Also there could be demand for Tu-214R deployement to pick Unmanned sea drones or mines which surface scan radar onboard ships may not be able to detect in time.

    Because the Russians are lazy as f***. They will only start thinking about A-50 and Tu-214 deployment once they get a NATO JASSM fired from Romanian air space stuck up their ass.
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    Post  MMBR Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:12 am

    The look on zelensky face when Trump advised him to work with Putin in 2019. I bet he regrets not taking the advice now phase 2 has kicked off

    https://www.indy100.com/politics/trump-zelensky-ukraine-putin-russia (skip forward to 36 seconds for maximum enjoyment)


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    Post  Sujoy Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:59 am

    A few days ago I had said that Moskva could have been hit by a NATO torpedo. Some forum members said that maybe the Moskva ran into a mine that Ukraine had laid in the past.

    The thing is Moskva must have carried out a surveillance of that area to find out if there were any such mines. Plus, Moskva was ringed by modern FFG escorts, incl the latest Admiral Grigorivich class.

    So it's quite possible that a U.S bomber B-2/B-52/any other launched a few Quickstrike-Extended Range standoff air-delivered mines at the Moskva, consequently, the Moskva got very little time to react.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:20 am

    JohninMK wrote:[i]Paul McLeary
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    That alone is already a bullshit. No other WarPac member has ever operated the aircraft they have.
    Nobody used Su-27 nor Su-24, and MiG-29 delivered to all WarPac members were different versions.
    The same applies to Mi-24, we have 30 pcs of D version, God knows the real operational status. Our Vs were left in Afghanistan.
    Bulgaria had as many as SIX Vs back in 1990, and probably a whole TWO at the moment. Plus some 15 D variants.
    Czech and Slovakia have some more Vs, but we talk single pieces only.
    I suppose some parts can be cannibalized, but V has a different engine, rotor, electronics ...

    So they are checking the ground for transferring every ex WarPac piece of hardware, making space for some tasty MIC contracts soon.
    That makes almost no difference other than more targets for Russkies to practice.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:36 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision missile strike destroyed up to 40 Ukrainian military personnel and 7 units of military equipment in Novovorontsovka and Kislevka.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 73 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 4 command posts, 57 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration, 7 strong points and 4 ammunition depots. The strikes also destroyed 6 tanks, 9 armoured vehicles and 1 Msta-B howitzer battery.

    💥Missile troops and artillery hit 1,053 Ukrainian military infrastructure assets. Among them: 31 command posts, 6 fuel depots, 910 strong points and areas of enemy's manpower concentration, as well as 106 artillery firing positions.

    💥Russian air defence means shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the air over Podvysokoe, Chistovodovka, Yakovenkovo and Pokrovskoe. Also, 2 Tochka-U tactical missiles were shot down near Donetskoe and Skilevatoe.

    📊In total, 140 aircraft, 496 unmanned aerial vehicles, 253 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,388 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 256 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,029 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,232 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:41 am

    ⚡🇳🇴🇺🇦 Norway provided Ukraine with 100 Mistral anti-aircraft missile systems, Reuters reported, citing the country's Ministry of Defense

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    Post  Serberus Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:55 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Confirmatory video from Kremennaya.
    The city center is under the control of the LPR army and the RF Armed Forces
    https://t.me/intelslava/26030

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:10 am

    Updates

    1) Norway has donated an air defense system to Ukraine. Mistral air defense system is an effective weapon that has been used in the Navy, and which will be of great benefit to Ukraine, - says Minister of Defense of Norway

    2) Evacuation convoy was agreed today for Mariupol' to Berdyansk-Zaporizhzhia

    3) U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce within the coming days another military aid package for Ukraine about the same size as the $800 million one announced last week, multiple sources familiar with the decision said on Tuesday

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:51 am

    But will any be allowed out? Or is this part of the blame game to accuse Russia of not letting them out?

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    "We have managed to get a preliminary agreement on a humanitarian corridor for women, children and elderly persons," Ukraine's Deputy PM Iryna Vereshchuk says

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    🗞️ Ukraine and Russia has agreed on a green corridor for women, children and the elderly from 14:00 today, say Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister.

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    Russian Defense Ministry: We will observe a ceasefire in the Azovstal region while the proposal is in force, starting at 1400 Moscow time on Wednesday



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    At the beginning, #Russia even offered #Ukraine|ian troops (and even damn #Azov!) actual corridors to leave #Mariupol—instead of surrender—to preserve the city and save civilian lives and property. All rejects. #Azov wanted blood and to have as many civilians as possible harmed.

    #Russia has been offering humanitarian corridors for the past two days. And countless times before. I am not even sure I could remember (or could count using all my fingers and toes) every time a humanitarian corridor to civilians and surrender to #Azov was offered by #RF. +


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    Post  JohninMK Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:55 am

    From the angle of fire are these targeting at pretty much maximum range? Doesn't look like they are expecting any counter battery fire.



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