Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13

Arrow wrote:

Ukrainian forces may try to enter the Transnistria.

No, its a Uke hope to distract from Donbass.

flamming_python wrote:
There is no 'neutral Europe' here. It's simply the West versus the Russo-Chinese bloc.

I wished that to be so easy.
The main problem is the enormous debt created by the whole ze Wezt.
Debt that was not assisted by any fundamental economic expansion.
West has eaten the money they have "borrowed" from the entire world.
And demands the world to "borrow" more because want's to keep its illusionary richness.
This is only the beginning, I am telling you.

If Bryansk was a drone attack, that would mean that AA defences were asleep at the wheel or their coverage is not sufficient. Bryansk is not exactly right next to the border, like Belgorod is. It is about 100 km in straight line from closest point.

Drones are difficult targets for any country... for a country with borders the size of Russia even more so...

The cost of himars is irrelevant as Ukraine is getting it for free.

Not even close to free... they are paying in blood and it sounds like they are paying a lot.

Says who?

Russia routinely targeted mixed military/civilian convoys in Syria, this would be nothing new

What's so special about Nazi Ukrainians that makes them entitled to special treatment?

Plus lots of young men in civilian clothes travelling towards a war zone front line in a train carrying munitions is a bit suspect... if it is women and little old ladies it is just as suspect to be honest.

Does that word salad imply a Russian false flag or simply a sabotage op by the Ukies.

Russia doesn't need to do false flags.... that is the wests game... if Putin decides to hit Kiev or their military believes that is necessary they don't need to make up any excuse to do so... that is as ridiculous as a count down from 10 when launching a rocket... it is an American thing.

Some people don't like to have the sanctity of their butthole breached.

That is kinda normal outside the new west there buddy...

Call it pure masculine machoism. Others clearly, by their own words don't mind a finger or two doing work, as long as they can reciprocate in a disproportionate manner.

It's not just "Gayto" after all. Surprise.

Well describing a military operation in such terms reveals the truth in that regard does it not?

Time for these fellas to give up really. No glory to be had in being taken out by a 152mm shell that you don't even hear or see coming

But they aren't... by your own post they are not anti war at all they are back home safe and sound trying to drum up money to get more Orcs killed... seems there is no compassion for Ukrainians at all... it was just their chance to get some glory killing some Russians that failed miserably.

Why would anyone reasonably expect that these people would have a worse opinion of their own extended kin than of "dirty Slavs".

When there is US dollars in it most would likely kill their own mother... just like the Russians in the Ukraine currently are.

But it's complicated for a country like Pakistan to be openly aligned with the US.

I would say considering their neighbour is India and Indias relationship with Russia that Pakistan would be rather less likely to have good relations with Russia than with the US... but it seems murdering Pakistanis with drones and screwing Afghanistan up again has probably made them realise they don't really have a great future with the US... all this time with US support being anti Indian hasn't really brought them much peace or development, and they can see what the US does for Kiev and realise if they got into a conflict with India that the US would be just as useless for them.

Maybe the west is the problem and Russia and China and India and Pakistan could work together to sort of some sort of agreement and development and growth plans to help deal with some of their biggest problems.

Russia can't be lazy, and Kiev doesn't give a damn about Peskovs "threats".

It is not about being lazy... the Russian border is rather better protected than HATOs borders...

Looks like some flight control system failure. No smoke, nothing, just a flatspin.

Under normal circumstances it should be easily recoverable, but technical failures do occur.

The US lost 3 F-111s in Vietnam before they worked out there was a design fault with the aircraft that only revealed itself in combat missions.

I wonder what will happen to the 15 Su-35 produced for the Egyptian Air Force. BMPD Livejournal has already written that their assumption is that these planes will be handed over to the Russian Air Force.

Would likely need a lot of the Avionics taken out and swapped for Russian AF standard stuff.

Or they could gift them to Iran maybe?

Well, my opinion is, that Russkies hold the missile stock just in case if NATO would think of doing something stupid.

Pretty sure the missiles for HATO will have different payloads.

Chess is a game... war is not a game.

This means USA does not have too good intelligence on Russia. They don't have sources which would know what is really going on in MOD.

The US has had bad intel on Russia since the end of the cold war.

But there does not seem to be any consequences for the intel community.

New western volunteers.

You make fun but as long as you have water he wont need to eat for a month which would be ideal for seige warfare... and over time his body armour will offer better and better protection for him.

So can he fit into a BTR or BMP?

I am guessing one of those will be his nickname...

It's become a bit of a trope to label things as "Orwellian" but this behavior was literally what Orwell, as a war correspondent observed in 1936 and based his subsequent dystopian novels on.

The irony is that all that they needed to do to completely corrupt the west was corrupt the media and allow the 1% to control and own it... then you can say anything you like...

Belingcat is a trash source created by UK and some dumbass gay jeyboard wartior, tge same as those osint accounts on twitter. Not worth even mentioning their lies here.

Bellingcat is a place for ex UK spooks to get nice cushy jobs funded by the UK government to do things the UK government can't do legally itself, they are an intel blackwater... find dirt... or make up dirt on a political opponent in the UK or anywhere in the EU... bellingcat... only cost 100 million pounds... of taxpayers money.

The OSCE staff in Mariupol abandoned their archive. All OSCE field reports since 2014 were found, with reportedly thousands of Ukrainian war crimes that were documented, but which were not reported by the OSCE in their official documents.

So the people on the ground were doing their job but the management was deciding what got made official and what just sat in the archives... right...

UAV ( a small one) can be adapted to land on rail_track and plant a device! This device is small and sits under or beside the rail. Designed to work, when train makes contact, with wheels. Can land anywhere in Europe, especially near border area. No need to waste missiles or planes flying over. Same with Roads, land beside Road and drop a Rock. Wait for " lethal aid" to pass by!

Cruise missile can fly down train lines till it reaches an engine and boom... trains are not hard to hit.

Even near a corner you could place a bomb on the side away from the track and hidden and as the train comes the force of the explosion can derail the train on the corner...

F***, it's gonna happen isn't it? We're going to stumble into thermonuclear apocalypse aren't we?

Western leaders are idiots... they didn't listen to Putins red lines before.... in fact they made fun of them... have they learned... they don't seem to have...

Still talking about Kiev winning...

* GARRY, please add the swastika among the smilies so I can hang it every time I mention Banderistan.

Never seen a swastika in an emoji list... don't want one on this forum...

Is anyone else puzzled why it took so long for Russia to act to take out the rail network in Ukraine?

Hard to say for sure but would guess attacks on targets in Russia has made them think if things are going to be less comfortable for Russians then Ukrainians are going to have to deal with issues too...

It also would limit the mobility and resupply potential of the Orc Army without having to hit every single train... just hit the power stations that power them.

This will dramatically reduce traffic and the traffic that remains is more likely to be worth hitting as a military target.

Phase 1 was a mistake, no need to overthink it at this point. Russians were reluctant to hit fuel storages no long ago as well. This is what happens when you put political goals before military goals. Now it seems the military is in charge of this show (both tempo and targets have changed drastically)

Phase one was about kerosene... not petrol or diesel... they wanted to prevent the Ukrainian airforce doing anything so they hit the hundreds or perhaps thousands of air strips in the country and their fuel and ammo storages nearby... the pincers towards Odessa and Kiev were to stop the rest of the army not on the front line near Donbass from moving anywhere.... over the next few weeks they hit vehicle parks and storage areas and fuel dumps and ammo dumps, escalating over time to include machine shops where armour and weapons are built and repaired... they didn't get the number of surrenders they perhaps hoped for but they clearly have killed plenty of nazis and orcs who might not be nazis but still wanted to shoot some Russians.

I was thinking, Russia must also has in its stock piles in hundreds, if not thousands, of the old Kh-55 cruise missiles manufactured in the 80s and early 90s. Are they also using them? Their range is low compared to the newer KH-101 but certainly can reach all of Ukraine. This should be really cheap way to take out enemy infrastructure compared to using the more expensive Kalibr and Kh-101s.

A post further up the page talked about missiles having obsolete electronics... the irony is that any 286 or 386 or 486 processor from the 1980s is plenty of processing power for what these missiles are doing.

I suspect they will be using older stock missiles first... missiles close to expiry dates. Cruise missiles use jet engines and therefore use kerosene for fuel... they would be stored without fuelled and fuelled up just before loading on to the plane that launches them.

Periodically they will be checked and refurbished with things like batteries replaced and optics cleaned and checked for cracks or damage, but most will just sit in storage happily for years without needing any modification.

I would think batteries might not even be installed until they are drawn out of storage and have batteries and warheads attached and fuelled up on the flight line before takeoff.

Russia has no definite plans to invade Europe and NATO can only dream of declaring war against Russia. Only armchair generals and PC warriors would advocate a nuclear exchange.

Which is not to say it can't happen.... our current set of leaders set the bar very low for stupid... and continue to create new records...

This possible scenario revolves around a botched S-300F launch, and its not especially relevent as to why a missile was fired.

Its missiles are old and missiles do fail... a missile with faulty rocket fuel lands on the deck and burns... the 150kg HE warhead would not explode because it would not have fused yet but it would also burn too.

And 27 missing sounds like an out of control fire rather than two missile hits.

And how in detail would that change situation, considering that both France and th UK has own nukes?
Sometimes the expectations of your Russian audience amaze me, even considering that I am pro-Russian in general.
The same applies to the demand for NATO to get back into pre-1999 borders.
It is simply not wise.

It is about expectation and balance... when Soviet troops left eastern europe they were expecting the US to pull out of western europe... not move into eastern europe with nukes.

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Werewolf wrote:
One drink on me once Poland or Turkey will leave/pushed to leave NATO!

But they won't.
Like it or not.
From the European perspective, the move Russia made was scary.
It is another thing to shake your own societies telling them how the Crazy Ivan is bloodthirsty and wants a resurrection of the Soviet Union, and to see it happening.
You know, the stick you have imagined to push your own, turned out to be kept by the other hands.
Europe is not used to the fact, that Russia will defend its interests in such a way.
Much talking, doing nothing. This is what the EU elites understand.
But not to unleash a war against - objectively - the biggest country in Europe.
European elites finally realized that the bear has been punched above the limit.
And as this punching was a favorite tool to distract the public attention from their own indolence - they were used to it.
That is why EU political class will strengthen the lines, and keep them tight - until wiped off by its own voters.
The real problem is, that much of the bullshit is not coming from the European national governments and elites, but directly from the EU structures. And those have nothing to do with a common sense of any real European.