flamming_python wrote:Just the amount of cope here is ridiculous
NATO has voiced its intention to help the Ukraine retake Crimea, and now the Moskva has been lost. Other ships can be attacked next. And who knows what NATO will announce next.
Russia is not at war with NATO yet has already lost part of its anti-ship strike potentia and anti-air capabilities in the Black Sea, as well as its command vessel.
Modern Buks start to approach the ranges of the S-300F anyway, but the Moskva has no replacement right at the moment.
The prestige lost and the morale boost to the Ukraine nullifies all results in the Donbass to date.
The entire Black Sea coast must be secured, if it's not safe to blockade it from the sea. Then it should be secured with anti-ship and anti-air complexes
FP, you and a few others are having difficulty in coping with setbacks and losses.
Man, this is war not a football match.
And no, the loss of the Moskva does not nullify the results in Donbass.
Temporary prestige and morale loss are secondary. What matters is planting the Russian flag on more towns and villages.
I am fed up with the chicken-little here that make it sound that the sky is falling each time there is a setback.
They come up like drama-queen each time there is a setback and spread their bitching. moaning whining and complaining.
They did it when the Russians temporarily lost Palmyra.
They did it when the Turks shot down one Su-24
There will be other setbacks and losses during this operation.
If some people can't deal with it emotionally, I suggest they stop following the conflict.
At the end, Russia will prevail. That's what matters.
Russia has been far too lax in preparing for this conflict.
The loss of the Moskva has strategic implications, in this era of media war.
Unfortunately Russia is learning these lessons too late, the result now will be more escalation. That's the price of losing the Moskva. If Russia doesn't escalate, then NATO will, and the operation will fail one way or the other. It's useless to plant more flags and generate good will, in a situation where NATO will enter the Ukraine with its conventional armies.
At best, we will end up with a situation now like the Korean war. All the land will be devestated and we will pay massively for the half we get in lives, the economy, everything. You can call that a victory if you want.
All because of these people in charge, who couldn't do their jobs, and figure out that the Moskva will be targeted if given the opportunity, and in general - only served to fail and embolden the enemy time and time again with failed political-military strategies.
I know we won't 'lose'. But it's just a tragedy, a massive one, and most of all for the people who live in the Ukraine. For us it's nothing good either.
I have nothing more to say. I am endlessly disappointed in those who proclaim to lead us, remove all competition for the seats of power, create an aura of normalcy, control and being on top of their game, while living in opulence and helping their friends to high places too - yet let their people down with amateur hour at a time when nothing is more important than to not make any mistakes.
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