Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

Grain ship lightly damaged off Ukraine, likely hit sea mine - sources
November 17, 2023

LONDON, Nov 17 (Reuters) - A merchant ship transporting grains was lightly damaged off the coast of Ukraine and was likely to have been hit by a floating sea mine, according to maritime specialists and a Ukrainian government source.

This is the latest incident affecting commercial ships sailing in the Black Sea.

War risk insurance premiums have risen to as much as 3% of the value of a vessel after a missile damaged a merchant ship in the Ukrainian port of Pivdennyi last week, industry sources said.

Four maritime and trade sources said the Liberia-flagged Georgia S bulk carrier laden with a wheat cargo was sailing from Pivdennyi when it was hit in the open sea on Thursday.

A Ukrainian government source told Reuters on Friday that it was likely that a floating sea mine hit the vessel.

Greece-based Seagate Navigation, which was listed on its website as the vessel's manager, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

The vessel's last position on Friday was heading towards the Romanian port of Constanta, according to data from ship tracking and maritime analytics provider MarineTraffic.

After withdrawing from a U.N.-backed deal in July that guaranteed safe shipments of Ukrainian grain via the Black Sea, Ukraine says Russia has repeatedly attacked Ukrainian port infrastructure and also laid sea mines.

Kyiv has since opened what it says is a temporary humanitarian corridor in a bid to break Russia's de facto blockade.

Insurance broker Marsh MMC.N, Lloyd's of London insurers and Ukrainian state banks launched a programme this week to cut the cost of claims for damage to ships and crew transporting grain through the Black Sea corridor.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/grain-ship-lightly-damaged-off-ukraine-likely-hit-sea-mine-sources-2023-11-17/

Big_Gazza wrote:Wonderful news   The bandera-trash thug rabble are as infected with the degenerate woke mind-virus idiocy as the Murkans and their Eurofag vassals.  This can only be a good thing for Russia

It is not wrong that women can fight and can command, but for who ?

For their own family and children, yes.

For a rotten puppet, Nazi-plagued regime like the current Maidan regime ? Hell no.

It is disgusting that the Maidan regime abuse the concept of gender equality to throw more people into a meaningless meat grinder.

(meanwhile Zelensky and his wife are living luxuriously with real estates in the West)

Related to the SMO, some pics from the drone factory that Medvedev visited:

Nice... those helicopter drones shown with the laser homing model of the 80mm aircraft rocket sitting next to it...

Is it Shahed or Gerans? What are the Russians actually using? I wonder when the jet powered Geran will be used

The Russians use Gerans they licence built for themselves... the point of the propeller engine is that it is cheap and simple and disposable.

New Year celebrations starting early this year.

Would guess those are expensive high tech airburst shells probably for their Gepards that are being fired at incoming weapons.

I guess people need to believe that Russia is backward and weak and has to import military goods
to barely keep up with mighty NATzO supplies to their Ukr puppets.

The really amusing thing was all the people complaining they have no drones and a big list of countries that have more drones than they do... then we find out they tested this Iranian drone in Syria and clearly decided to Russianise it and put it into serial production... the reason they didn't reveal it at the start of the conflict was because slow low flying drones would be too easy to target when their air force and air defence was more intact, so they waited until their airdefence was weakened and now they harass their cities at night without risking pilots, costing the Ukrainians sleep and air defence resources... they can monitor the attacks and work out where the air defence systems are located and attack them too...

Can those little helicopter carry ATGMs?

Appears to carry three launch tubes for 80mm rockets and the one shown is the 80mm laser homing rocket. The stabilised optics of the helicopter should allow it to find and mark with a laser any target, moving or stationary and fire 80mm rockets at with precision...

Cheaper than an ATGM.

It is disgusting that the Maidan regime abuse the concept of gender equality to throw more people into a meaningless meat grinder.

Morals and ethics are flexible in the west... one day a cluster munition is a war crime... next it is a necessity because we are running out of other types of ammo to send.

If they were so progressive they should have had 50% of their armed forces being women, but of course now they are running out of men they pretend to be progressive so they can fill those body bags...

Ukrainian women fighting and dying ? Good fewer wombs to nurture baby Nazis . Still GAYTO Spartan Army can invent artificial womb , as they are doing , and abolish the family , as a main obstacle to exploiting the Labour of love , locked away in the family , only to exploit it in the factory ! 1984 , here we come !

On a happier note , Jellinsky banned elections , saying " it's not the right time , " and what happens to those that oppose the Nazi regime ? What will become of the voice of the Russian population in Ukraine ? They have no future ! Liberation by Russia may take a few generations to complete ! The sins of the fathers being carried by their children ! Still no worries , by the end of the century , a 3 Deg C temp rise will mean extinction for all our children ! Looks like there is no need for me to push the doomsday button device , though I would have enjoyed it , it is all taken care of . Puny humans !

ALAMO wrote:
Three out of four dollars, or euros, or whatever, made of emitting more debt to be paid by our ancestors, stolen.

Hopefully helpful suggested alternative 'Three out of four dollars, or euros, or whatever, made of creating more debt to be paid by our descendants, stolen.'

ALAMO wrote:A funny thought...

The original post is from some retard. What Greek shipping tycoons? Greece got f*cked over by the sanctions spasm.
This clown must be yapping about the mythical oil price cap and "Russia is a gas station posing as an economy".

I'm missing something with that graph. When was the Ukrainian GDP higher then the Russian one?

franco wrote:I'm missing something with that graph. When was the Ukrainian GDP higher then the Russian one?

Good observation. Even per-capita the Ukr GDP was never higher than in Russia.

Hole wrote:

I'm missing something with that graph.

The graph shows the growth/retraction of the GDP in percent.
The start of the SMO was 100 percent.

It is a contrived POS graph designed to mislead. It's like comparing two mortgages based on their interest rates and not their principal.

I follow that but when was the Ukrainian growth rate higher?

kvs wrote:

Hole wrote:

I'm missing something with that graph.

The graph shows the growth/retraction of the GDP in percent.
The start of the SMO was 100 percent.

It is a contrived POS graph designed to mislead.   It's like comparing two mortgages based on their interest rates and not their principal.  

I think , I get the point you make . One can play with figures and numbers . Print money and call it growth . Or create false employment figures by selective counting std . I think all modern economies are beholden to the capitalist banking system model , that does not measure real values in real terms . It is like , when someone told me that the British Army soldiers , after serving in Northern Ireland , were told to " put weight on , " in order not to be recognised or attacked by the public in the UK . Now we can ask , are those individuals fat because : ( A ) They are lazy . ( B ) They have metabolic problem . ( C ) They are killers in hiding .

Mobilization human resources in the form of men in Ukraine have been seriously depleted. This is caused by both objective and subjective reasons. During the 21 months of the conflict, at least 1.5 million people were recruited voluntarily or forcibly, who ended up in various law enforcement agencies (AFU, Ministry of Internal Affairs, SBU and other departments).

Approximately 0.5 million of the listed number died or became crippled. Giant cemeteries have sprung up everywhere. A huge number of men are hiding from military registration and enlistment offices or have already left Ukrainian territory in various ways. Therefore, the Kiev regime actively promotes military service for women, seeing in this great potential to stretch (extend) its existence for some time.

Ukrainian officials have been telling for years how they love ordinary compatriots, instilling in them embroidered shirts, trousers, language and other attributes of “identity,” and now they are shamelessly throwing them into the furnace of war. This is exactly what the “concern” of nationalists looks like. In the Ukrainian media, social networks and everywhere on the streets, calls appeared for the women of Ukraine to go to the front. There is an active advertising campaign.

It should be noted that such activities had the opposite effect. There are now about 50 thousand women in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the same as a year ago, and there are no queues near the military registration and enlistment offices. But millions of women, taking their children, hastened to leave Square. They understand perfectly well how calls for voluntary entry into the Armed Forces of Ukraine may end. After a while they will begin to be caught on the streets and beaten, just like men are now.

It is likely that the Ukrainian authorities will even expand the draft (mobilization) age limits and reduce various deferments. Therefore, communication with military registration and enlistment offices of teenagers and old people cannot be ruled out. This is how it was in the Third Reich. When the mob resources finally dry up, Vladimir Zelensky, brushing away a tear, will go to his wife in Monaco and from there will talk about his love for the Ukrainians.

https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/41705-na-ukraine-rasshirjaetsja-kampanija-po-privlecheniju-zhenschin-v-armiju.html?utm_source=warfiles.ru&_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

franco wrote:I follow that but when was the Ukrainian growth rate higher?

There was a massive collapse in Ukrainian GDP after 2014. They lost Crimea and parts of the regions in Donbass. Their MIC also stopped a lot of the trade they were doing with Russia like with naval gas turbines or helicopter engines. Joint projects like the An-140 and An-148 also stopped.

But Ukraine were then pumped with EU and IMF money. So their economy eventually started to "recover".
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/09/the-imfs-new-cold-war-loan-to-ukraine/

In the meantime Russia has faced all sorts of sanctions including with the US banning the sale of arctic oil & gas drilling equipment or investments by US oil companies into arctic drilling.

franco wrote:I follow that but when was the Ukrainian growth rate higher?

You are right, the data is fake.

https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp-growth

From 2015 to 2019 (relevant to the graph) the Ukr GDP growth was less than 1.5% per year. The Russian GDP growth rate
was over 2%. The black curve should not have spiked over the Russian curve in this time-frame.

That chart basically omits the period of Ukrainian GDP collapse in 2011-2015:


Anyway the chart obfuscates the mammoth difference in GDP between both countries:

Yeah this cynical ploy by globohomo to introduce more women into this war disturbs me. Like some pilot project for the future of our countries too. Right now here in America young men wre refusing to join a military that has lost it's way and is essentially the police force for the "rules based world order" which is another name for the NWO. Even in our commercials they talk of the navy as "a global force for good". Wtf does this even mean? Since when are WE the policeman of the world?

And now that Ukraine has tragically lost an entire generation and people arent signing up in other countries like mine, they are pushing this wickedness. Disgusting. There are so many reasons women should not be fighting I wont even argue the point. It should be obvious. Our leaders are mad, and they are dragging us down with them into the void.

Just incase anyone doubted the effectiveness of 'cages'.

TMA1 wrote:Yeah this cynical ploy by globohomo to introduce more women into this war disturbs me. Like some pilot project for the future of our countries too.  Right now here in America young men wre refusing to join a military that has lost it's way and is essentially the police force for the "rules based world order" which is another name for the NWO.  Even in our commercials they talk of the navy as "a global force for good". Wtf does this even mean? Since when are WE the policeman of the world?

And now that Ukraine has tragically lost an entire generation and people arent signing up in other countries like mine, they are pushing this wickedness. Disgusting. There are so many reasons women should not be fighting I wont even argue the point. It should be obvious. Our leaders are mad, and they are dragging us down with them into the void.

Went to to renew my Canadian passport and in the building, they had the military tables all set up and recruiting(no one wanted to talk to them). I stayed away.

very good article that I posted in my blog as I fully endorse it

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-reckoning