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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:10 pm

    Arrow wrote:Given the very tough fights in Mariupol, will Russia capture Odessa and Kharkiv?  These are much larger cities.  There will be huge losses of both military and civilian .  So what could be the future of Russia?  Currently, they are unable to overthrow the government in Kiev or capture Kharkiv or Odessa? Unless they reckon with huge losses.In addition, large damage to the city infrastructure.

    Latest news I heard is that Russia won't try to capture cities outside the DNR/LNR

    Rather it's removing the Ukrainian military's ability to fight and is focused on giving it no option other than to capitulate

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:12 pm

    kvs wrote:The Pentagon does not know where it's own ass is.   The claims about Russia running out of missiles prove this.


    They went from saying Russia is unable to create, let alone mass produce PGM's and overly rely on dumb iron bombs, to Russia is over using PGM's and will run out soon.

    They also went from saying China will invade Eastern Russia over the past 20 years, to saying China is propping up the Russian military. I guess China is the only country in the world capable of invading Siberia and propping up the Russian military all at the same time lmao!!! clown clown clown

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:18 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    kvs wrote:The Pentagon does not know where it's own ass is.   The claims about Russia running out of missiles prove this.


    They went from saying Russia is unable to create, let alone mass produce PGM's and overly rely on dumb iron bombs, to Russia is over using PGM's and will run out soon.

    They also went from saying China will invade Eastern Russia over the past 20 years, to saying China is propping up the Russian military. I guess China is the only country in the world capable of invading Siberia and propping up the Russian military all at the same time lmao!!! clown clown clown

    The Chinese are the smartest ones here actually

    The West will collapse, Russia will inherit a whole bunch of hostility and butthurt and probably lose Armenia and Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan, and China will become the new financial centre.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:22 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    In order to destroy Hitler, it was necessary to destroy the entire Third Reich.


    No, not really. Thought US/UK were carpet bombing civilians en masse (Look Leipzig or Hamburg) without any need for this. Soviets generally tried to avoid civilians casualties.
    But between 3rd Reich and Ukraine there are some parallels - western mercenaries, western civilization attacking "snow niggers" ...


    No worries USSR won, Russia will win too russia russia russia

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:23 pm

    BTW things are heating up in Nagorno-Karabakh

    Artsakh declared mobilization and the Azeris have occupied some village, ignoring the previous efforts of Russian peacekeepers

    Looks like Turkey is taking advantage of the situation to strengthen its own hand, in return for not giving its S-400s to NATO, keeping the straight closed and not imposing sanctions

    Quite dastardly of Putin to sell Armenia like that.

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    Post  Urluber Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:23 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    The liberation of Donbas will not solve the problem.  I don't know how Russia wants to change government in Ukraine and stop its course to the west.  Now the entire offensive has come to a standstill.


    The liberation of Kiev will happen if it is what is needed.
    Much depends on Kievan regime. If they at some point (before liberation of whole Malorossiya) agree to the terms in negotations, the liberation of complete area by force is not necessary.

    The terms can include for example setting up a Control Commission headed by Russian officials which would control what happens in the country. It would supervise the disarmament, supervise that war criminals are sentenced, rogue officers executed or expelled, war reparations are paid and so on.

    Russia had these sort of commissions set up after the WW2 in some places. The Commission will de-facto use the highest authority in the country, but the country is not under military occupation nor annexed.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:24 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    The Chinese are the smartest ones here actually

    The West will collapse, Russia will inherit a whole bunch of hostility and butthurt and probably lose Armenia and Kazakhstan/Kyrgyzstan, and China will become the new financial centre.

    There will be no hostility for Russia form meaningful nations, and fallen doesn't matter.

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    Post  auslander Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:26 pm

    I have a little time to write, I have given Lubov a much needed rest. She has been and is a treasure through this tragedy.

    Tovorich Doktor and two Medical Sisters came to the house again. Doktor again examined The Madame Captain and decided to give her an injection to make her sleep, she weeps uncontrollably at times. He says she will sleep for the night and will be a little better for tomorrow. He says it will be some days before she begins to recover. He says her grief is normal even though our children are adopted, war orphans from Novorossiya. He says the grief for adopted children can often be more than for 'natural' children. I think he is correct.

    I am waiting for Gary's permission to post what Lubov and he wrote to each other. I will not post it without his permission.

    Our guests have left and today's meeting is long over. Our children will be home to us tomorrow, Saturday. I have arranged all for them but I will never tell where. Burial Ceremony will be Full Military Honors with Honor Guard with Salute and with Full Dress Uniforms with all their medals, their real medals with their names on the backs of them. Voentorg has already provided the replacements for us to put with their photos on our shelves. My wife will make a delicate lace pillow for each set.

    Perhaps one day I will go through my grief but that day is not this day, my wife needs me desperately and all my attention is for her.

    The dogs are lying in the lawn all day. Aleksandr has the shirt my son gave to him and he and Kristina are lying around it. Sophia and Ye'katarina are beside them, just their front paws on the shirt. They know the boy will not come back, dogs know these things. Sometimes Kristina begins to howl and sing and the others join in. It is the most melancholy song you have ever heard.

    I can not write any more, they are singing again and I need a drink. My wife is out like a light, Lubov is snoring away in her heavily padded reclining chair. I will sit in the sun room and think, alone at last.


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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:27 pm

    kvs wrote:Indeed.  The "stall" is Russia grinding through the bulk of regime forces on the eastern front.   They are depleting the Kiev regime army and paramilitaries.
    When the LDNR front collapses Russia will roll over Odessa and push the force remains towards the Polish border.   I expect all the surrounded cities to
    fall rapidly.   This is why Russia is not wasting men and resources trying to grab them.   Mariupol and Kharkov are special for various reasons.

    Nazi scum are so rabid that they rather die to the last one in Kharkov or Mariupol, or idle in Odessa waiting for some "glorious" showdown with Russians there, than protecting their homeland in the West, much less the rest of Ukraine. That is the reason why Lvov is organizing their own defence already.

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    Post  franco Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:28 pm

    It sure shows that Zelensky and a lot of his advisors were in the movie business. In comparison the White Helmets were strictly amateurs. Wasn't there a movie made once about an American politician creating this fictional war with Canada only on film. Never saw it but remember reading about it in the past.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:34 pm

    FSB officers detained a Khabarovsk resident who tried to sell classified information to Ukrainian special services

    https://en.topwar.ru/193957-sotrudniki-fsb-zaderzhali-habarovchanina-pytavshegosja-prodat-sekretnuju-informaciju-ukrainskim-specsluzhbam.html
    An SBU agent who collected information about participants in a special operation in Ukraine was detained in the Moscow region

    https://en.topwar.ru/193966-v-podmoskove-zaderzhan-agent-sbu-sobiravshij-informaciju-ob-uchastnikah-specoperacii-na-ukraine.html
    In the United States, at the level of the order, the Marines were forbidden to come to Ukraine

    https://en.topwar.ru/193946-v-ssha-na-urovne-prikaza-zapretili-morskim-pehotincam-priezzhat-na-ukrainu.html
    An attempted terrorist attack on the railway was prevented in Belarus

    https://en.topwar.ru/193947-ocherednaja-popytka-terakta-na-zheleznoj-doroge-byla-predotvraschena-v-beloruse.html
    The Hong Kong press reminded the United States about how the US army invaded Iraq

    https://en.topwar.ru/193885-v-presse-gonkonga-napomnili-ssha-o-tom-kak-amerikanskaja-armija-vtorgalas-v-irak.html

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    Post  auslander Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:59 pm

    [quote="flamming_python"
    Yeah, thought those BMPs with their cages and lack of Zs looked weird[/quote]

    I wasn't going to say anything but with the stand off cage armor they are orc, no doubt. Perhaps our intrepid warrior happened upon the detritus of some else's victory or the stupud putz shot the wrong dust bin. Shit happens in 'war' and in all probability minimum 10% of one's losses are self inflicted.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:07 pm

    Shown in the Polish TV:

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    https://en.topwar.ru/193936-polskoe-televidenie-pokazalo-kartu-razdela-ukrainy.html

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:11 pm

    LMFS wrote:Shown in the Polish TV:

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    https://en.topwar.ru/193936-polskoe-televidenie-pokazalo-kartu-razdela-ukrainy.html

    That looks messed up. Now imagine Polis thrusting from the back and do What Turkey did in Syria.. essentially splitting the country into 3. and what are Hungary doing there in that small patch of land ?


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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:12 pm

    Kiev cannot be allowed to be part of some "Ukraine". Malorussia, maybe. The Bolshevik project known as Ukraine needs to be
    put to rest.

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    Post  Ispan Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:13 pm

    Todays war briefing, it's a special report, it covers yesterday, wich I missed and the oficcial communique of the Russian army after one month's fighting and whatever else I could piece together

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/03/25/parte-de-guerra-25-03-2022-informe-especial/

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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:14 pm

    Maybe the War Tribunal in Crimea holds some surprises for some nazi gentlemen in the end. Medvedev:

    If we talk about the motives for adopting a moratorium on the death penalty, then, of course, this is our participation in the conventions of the Council of Europe. Today, these conventions have lost their force for Russia.

    https://en.topwar.ru/193933-medvedev-vyskazalsja-po-voprosu-vozmozhnoj-otmeny-moratorija-na-smertnuju-kazn-v-rossii.html

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:16 pm

    Apparently Macron together with Turkey and Greece are organizing an evacuation mission for 'anyone willing' from Mariupol, and Macron will meet with Putin about it over the next 2-3 days

    Well I don't think Azov will hold out another 2-3 days. But sure, they can lay down their arms, go to the port and wait to be picked up if they wish. Don't see the problem, if it means more lives and infrastructure can be saved

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    Post  par far Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:18 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Apparently Macron together with Turkey and Greece are organizing an evacuation mission for 'anyone willing' from Mariupol, and Macron will meet with Putin about it over the next 2-3 days

    Well I don't think Azov will hold out another 2-3 days. But sure, they can lay down their arms, go to the port and wait to be picked up if they wish. Don't see the problem, if it means more lives and infrastructure can be saved



    Azov and Nazis won't be allowed to leave, they need to stand for their war crimes.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:24 pm

    par far wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Apparently Macron together with Turkey and Greece are organizing an evacuation mission for 'anyone willing' from Mariupol, and Macron will meet with Putin about it over the next 2-3 days

    Well I don't think Azov will hold out another 2-3 days. But sure, they can lay down their arms, go to the port and wait to be picked up if they wish. Don't see the problem, if it means more lives and infrastructure can be saved



    Azov and Nazis won't be allowed to leave, they need to stand for their war crimes.

    Yeah I get that too

    And that Azov will likely just be redeployed back to the Ukraine after a rest. There is no santiation zone for these types like in Idlib as yet.

    The city is mostly destroyed now as they refused to leave when offered initially.

    And now that the damage is done and lives lost, Macron swoops in with the offer

    I dunno. It could still save Russian/DNR soldiers lives, civilian lives, and lessen the cost of reconstruction. And could open the door for more such deals later on. As the West is starting to come around to the idea of a negotiated settlement with Russia over the Ukraine.

    Well, I'll leave it up to Putin. His call
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    Post  LMFS Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:30 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:That looks messed up. Now imagine Polis thrusting from the back and do What Turkey did in Syria.. essentially splitting the country into 3. and what are Hungary doing there in that small patch of land ?

    Sure, it makes little sense. But it shows the sentiment being cultivated in Poland and that is very telling

    kvs wrote:Kiev cannot be allowed to be part of some "Ukraine". Malorussia, maybe. The Bolshevik project known as Ukraine needs to be
    put to rest.

    Fully agree, such artificial country is doomed like a house built over a tectonic fault, not to talk about it being an antirussian device from its inception. Western part (the real one, not the one created through indoctrination) can be a neutral, non ideological and demilitarized region loosely associated to the West, that is Galicia. The rest is Russian in the broad sense of the term since the times of the Rus and has no future as some tool of the West.

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    Post  ludovicense Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:32 pm

    par far wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Apparently Macron together with Turkey and Greece are organizing an evacuation mission for 'anyone willing' from Mariupol, and Macron will meet with Putin about it over the next 2-3 days

    Well I don't think Azov will hold out another 2-3 days. But sure, they can lay down their arms, go to the port and wait to be picked up if they wish. Don't see the problem, if it means more lives and infrastructure can be saved



    Azov and Nazis won't be allowed to leave, they need to stand for their war crimes.

    I think Azov will no longer exist as a regular force. If it even exists, walk. There is a clear order to exterminate him. There are very few prisoners of this group.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:34 pm

    kvs wrote:Kiev cannot be allowed to be part of some "Ukraine".   Malorussia, maybe.    The Bolshevik project known as Ukraine needs to be
    put to rest.


    The Ukraine was not a Bolshevik project, but a German one from Brest-Litovsk

    A worker's uprising occurred in Kharkov against the German client state the Ukrainian People's Republic, and the Red Army entered to beat off the puppet regime's armies, set up the Ukrainian SSR as an alternative, and quickly took control of most of the rest of the territory.
    But the Bolsheviks offered the Ukrainians quite a lot, and treated Ukrainian communists as equals, delineating territories between Russia and the Ukraine fairly with the help of historical commissions and a long process.

    And there was nothing at all wrong with the Ukrainian SSR. During its time as a Soviet republic, the Ukraine was a perfectly normal place, in fact a highly industrialized and developed one.

    Independent Ukraine is just an oligarch anti-Russia dump and has been on the decline since 1991.

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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:39 pm

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/5144

    Destroyed Ukrainian army BMP in Lugansk with 5 dead. But it was not the LNR forces that did it. It was the Aidar Nazi
    enforcers who are used to prevent retreats. NATzO's allies.

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