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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8

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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:45 pm

    Russia initially did not plan to storm the blocked Ukrainian cities, now the main task is the complete liberation of Donbass, the colonel general said. "Initially, we did not plan to storm them in order to prevent destruction and minimize losses among personnel and civilians. And although we do not exclude such a possibility, however, as individual groupings complete the assigned tasks, and they are solved successfully, our forces and means will concentrate on the main thing - the complete liberation of Donbass," Rudskoy said. If the special operation was carried out only within the LPR and DPR, then the Ukrainian authorities would constantly feed their military group. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation cause damage to the facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the blocked territories so that they cannot strengthen the grouping in the Donbas until it is completely liberated. The RF Armed Forces did not plan to storm the blockaded Ukrainian cities, but such a possibility is not ruled out. 276 settlements that were previously in the zone of operation of the Ukrainian army passed under the control of the people's militia of the DPR and LPR. wrote:

    So all other military activities of Russia except Donbas are to bind only Kiev forces. The operation is only about taking over Donbas. The question is whether Russia will leave the occupied areas outside Donbas or will it gain more territory. Currently, apart from Donbas, progress is very slow.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:47 pm



    12min mark talks about Ukraine itself.

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    Post  Regular Fri Mar 25, 2022 6:57 pm

    flamming_python wrote:There is an Amerikanski merc running around Kiev, with a twitter account

    Claims to have liberated some village yesterday, and with his guys destroying 7 vehicles and a whole bunch of Russian soldiers, look like BMPs




    What do you guys make of it?

    Not a merc (unlike FOG) just some vet who wanted to go on safari, he doesn't even carry RPG/AT, probably just got there after the smoke has settled. He is posting too many pictures and other nonsense and it seems he has too much time on his hand. Doesn't look serious in my opinion. Will run during first real battle, not an ambush.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:01 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    So all other military activities of Russia except Donbas are to bind only Kiev forces.  The operation is only about taking over Donbas.  The question is whether Russia will leave the occupied areas outside Donbas or will it gain more territory.  Currently, apart from Donbas, progress is very slow.


    No the plan is to de Nazify and de militarise the Ukraine.
    The RU MOD say the operation involves the whole of the Ukrainian region.
    Ukrainian "statehood" might be finished, but thats a different matter.

    Russia doesn't need to rush the job. It already has most of Kherson, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaphorizhia and other many places under control eg a big arc from North, East to the South.

    There's no pt rushing the liberation of Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa and the Eastern areas where Banderites/Nationalists are grouped.
    Such an approach wld risk Russia mil and innocent civilian lives.
    Likewise the West can wait.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:03 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
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    What do you guys make of it?

    What is the point?
    He will be dead or running soon.

    Yeah but it's quite a ****-up to have a whole motor-rifles company destroyed this way

    If it's true that is. If it is true, then I presume it's another artillery strike, after which the Ukr infantry entered and finished whoever off. In which case Russian reconnaissance and SF is lax
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:09 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    So all other military activities of Russia except Donbas are to bind only Kiev forces.  The operation is only about taking over Donbas.  The question is whether Russia will leave the occupied areas outside Donbas or will it gain more territory.  Currently, apart from Donbas, progress is very slow.


    Well that's the Russian fall-back excuse, in case everything fails. Just walk away with the Donbass

    But the fact that Russia is co-operating with the Kherson region administration, Melitopol, has called for Krivoj Rog to surrender, and had expectations of turning Kharkov and Chernigov as well indicates that the ambitions were greater.

    How those ambitions will be fulfilled now I dunno. But it doesn't look like Russia will just take the Donbass, one way or the other we're up to our neck now and are only setting up more military administrations in various regions. Forward is the only way I guess, I just hope that our leadership finally thinks of something smart, instead of constant underestimation and unwarranted hubris leading to overly optimistic plans.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:10 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
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    Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes this is a successful operation, the hardest part was done

    With 1351 KIA it is a success of epic levels more successful than Iraq and Afghanistan for sure

    Ukrainian KIA are insane

    No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.

    Kharkov is the second largest city in the Ukraine, but Sumy is considerably smaller than Mariupol (population estimate in 2017 was about 260000 in Sumy and about 430000 in Mariupol )

    Marioupol is the tenth largest city in the Ukraine, and it is almost the same size as Nikolaev and  has more inhabitants than Lugansk, vinnitsia, Ivano frankovsk , chernihiv, Poltava, kherson, termopili, etc...

    Furthermore there was a concentration of militants (both official army and azovites) far higher than in other places, and it was already near a war zone for 8 years, so their positions were much more fortified.

    Once those and the ones in the caudron north of Donesk are removed (either KIA or prisoners) the resistance will be much less.

    Please at least take your facts right...

    Sumy is fortified, Ukie forces are much more concentrated around there, well Mari was very well fortified it wasn't has defended.

    Sumy will be harder than Mari because the Ukies cannot afford to let it fall, they could afford to let Mari fall and it was better to. Sure Sumy is a bit smaller but its not a massive difference,

    The population isn't really a factor here, all that matters is how many enemy forces are in the area and how hard they will fight to hold it. Given Sumy's size, tactical important to their defense strat, it will be much harder then Mari, they cannot allow Khakrov, Sumy nor Chen to fall.

    My facts are not wrong.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:12 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Yes this is a successful operation, the hardest part was done

    With 1351 KIA it is a success of epic levels more successful than Iraq and Afghanistan for sure

    Ukrainian KIA are insane

    No Mari was a smaller city by all standards, Places like Khakrov and Sumy will be much much harder.

    Kharkov is the second largest city in the Ukraine, but Sumy is considerably smaller than Mariupol (population estimate in 2017 was about 260000 in Sumy and about 430000 in Mariupol )

    Marioupol is the tenth largest city in the Ukraine, and it is almost the same size as Nikolaev and  has more inhabitants than Lugansk, vinnitsia, Ivano frankovsk , chernihiv, Poltava, kherson, termopili, etc...

    Furthermore there was a concentration of militants (both official army and azovites) far higher than in other places, and it was already near a war zone for 8 years, so their positions were much more fortified.

    Once those and the ones in the caudron north of Donesk are removed (either KIA or prisoners) the resistance will be much less.

    Please at least take your facts right...

    Sumy is fortified, Ukie forces are much more concentrated around there, well Mari was very well fortified it wasn't has defended.

    Sumy will be harder than Mari because the Ukies cannot afford to let it fall, they could afford to let Mari fall and it was better to. Sure Sumy is a bit smaller but its not a massive difference,

    The population isn't really a factor here, all that matters is how many enemy forces are in the area and how hard they will fight to hold it. Given Sumy's size, tactical important to their defense strat, it will be much harder then Mari, they cannot allow Khakrov, Sumy nor Chen to fall.

    My facts are not wrong.

    Sumy only has a territorial defense force (armed civilians basically), it was encircled already on the first day

    It would not be difficult to take the city, but it might give up by itself as the city needs economic links and supplies; they're not prohibited, but probably not functioning too well what with active front-lines.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:13 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
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    BliTTzZ wrote:I am very curious about how fast Polish army will crumble and Poland will be shred into pieces once they dare to attack Russian forces in Ukraine?
    Because Russians won't be babysitting with Poles like they do with Ukrainians.

    Nothing will happen to Poland

    But any Polish units that do enter will be targeted and that's just a fact
    I slightly disagree with that. If Poland will use it's air force and long range armament from Polish territory, there won't be some local retaliation from Russia. And this time it will be American style destruction.  

    What? If Poland attack, by any means, they are operating on their own outside the protection of Article 5, any forces in or over Ukraine would be fair game as would be their bases.



    Poland will not attack.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:15 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
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    What do you guys make of it?

    What is the point?
    He will be dead or running soon.

    Yeah but it's quite a ****-up to have a whole motor-rifles company destroyed this way

    If it's true that is. If it is true, then I presume it's another artillery strike, after which the Ukr infantry entered and finished whoever off. In which case Russian reconnaissance and SF is lax

    Looks like Russian BMP's, that said it's not an entire company well doesn't appear to be so.

    So unknown how heavy Russians losses would be
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:24 pm

    Re that post that a forum member made as to why India is so corrupt that it has to do business with the West, the answer is Russia is self-sufficient in both material & human resources & hence economic sanctions won’t have much effect. But India isn't, so Western sanctions will have an adverse effect on India. Therefore, India needs to do business with the West.

    Coming back to the topic, here is the thing....if Russian forces are so mediocre (as per Western experts) that any major Western country can defeat them why is NATO not joining the war ?

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    Post  auslander Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:26 pm

    I have a few minutes to relieve Lubov from one of her tasks, then she's back at it. And she's a damned good cook.

    Any of you armchair warriors who think Russian Army is going 'too slow', nothing stopping you from hopping on down to your local Army District, signing the papers and go have at it. It's legal now, Mother made it so this afternoon and you'll get paid the going rate. Beer money. Don't get much better than this. Pick up your brain bucket and Comrade Kalashnikov's Ode to World Peace and show us your balls. Oh...sorry, you ain't got none, they're stuck to your padded armchair....at least you won't end up as red mist as so many of the orcs are.

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    Post  adder Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:39 pm

    So youtube wasn't happy with there lately neutral reporting.
    I also heard decades back that state department doesn't give visas to unfriendly reporters.
    https://www.wionews.com/india-news/youtube-blocks-wion-for-reporting-russian-statement-465552

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    Post  Hole Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:41 pm

    Fred333 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:There is an Amerikanski merc running around Kiev, with a twitter account

    Claims to have liberated some village yesterday, and with his guys destroying 7 vehicles and a whole bunch of Russian soldiers, look like BMPs




    What do you guys make of it?

    To my unprofessional eyes, I see BMP wrecks in various states of destruction, but not more than 4. I also did not see any white Russian markings. Could be legit, could be smashed Uki vehicles as well? He does look happy, which I would not expect if it was smashed stuff of his own side

    That guy is a Psyops guy who was also used in Syria and Iraq. He was identified by numerous sources on Twitter, including people from Syria.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:43 pm

    For the record paint can and will burn off when exposed to high heat etc a vehicle being on fire can melt off the paint, so just because you see no Z it doesn't mean its not Russian

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    Post  Hole Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:45 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I wondered who they were but this confirms that the force that struck down to Kiev were from the Eastern Military District. Those that were shipped by train across to Belarus in January/February.

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    Commander of the Eastern Military District Chaiko presented awards to distinguished servicemen. The award ceremony took place at the front line, 30 km from Kyiv, where the commander arrived to set tasks and clarify the situation.

    Saw the video this morning. So the commander of the Eastern MD flies in on a helicopter, in broad daylight, on the outskirts of Kiev... and some unnamend american official still claims Russia has no air supremacy. Laughing

    This comment is a benchmark for all the other western claims: they are BS.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:46 pm

    Sujoy wrote:Re that post that a forum member made as to why India is so corrupt that it has to do business with the West, the answer is Russia is self-sufficient in both material & human resources & hence economic sanctions won’t have much effect. But India isn't, so Western sanctions will have an adverse effect on India. Therefore, India needs to do business with the West.

    Coming back to the topic, here is the thing....if Russian forces are so mediocre (as per Western experts) that any major Western country can defeat them why is NATO not joining the war ?

    India is so huge country (population , culture, traditions) that can be treated as separate civilization. Just calling India corrupt or doing this or that ,not knowing background, it is shallow and judgmental.


    Modi has to focus on India's interests and tries to balance as good as he can. The question here should be what can he do in "secondary sanctions" case.



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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:50 pm

    Given the very tough fights in Mariupol, will Russia capture Odessa and Kharkiv?  These are much larger cities.  There will be huge losses of both military and civilian .  So what could be the future of Russia?  Currently, they are unable to overthrow the government in Kiev or capture Kharkiv or Odessa? Unless they reckon with huge losses.In addition, large damage to the city infrastructure.

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    Post  Regular Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:05 pm

    Hole wrote:

    That guy is a Psyops guy who was also used in Syria and Iraq. He was identified by numerous sources on Twitter, including people from Syria.

    Psyops guy? Can you share the link with this? He is being hunted by Russian OSINT groups on telegram. Not that they care much about his previous "adventures".

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    Post  Firebird Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:05 pm

    Arrow wrote:Given the very tough fights in Mariupol, will Russia capture Odessa and Kharkiv?  These are much larger cities.  There will be huge losses of both military and civilian .  So what could be the future of Russia?  Currently, they are unable to overthrow the government in Kiev or capture Kharkiv or Odessa? Unless they reckon with huge losses.

    I'd say.. why the rush.
    The key concern is Ru mil and innocent civ lives.

    The Ru mil haven't tried to control Kiev yet... or Kharkov or Odessa.

    The Eastern cauldron will prob be finished reasonably soon.
    They haven't got massive civilian areas to hide in.

    Huge numbers of troops will be freed from Mariupol and the Eastern area. So then... Kharkov becomes like 2 or so Mariupols... but with far more Ru troops dealing with it.
    And Kiev would be like 5 Mariupols.
    Except probably less Nazis, so the less evil Nationalists will realise when they are onto a bad thing.
    Just logical.

    Odessa is finished as a Bandera port. Perhaps it will be taken sooner, perhaps later.

    My focus would be preventing human shield formations and sealing the Western border.

    Dealing with the West could be easier for Russia because lets face it... it was the scum from the West (not all scum there of course) that voted in the rabid filth that are the far right Nationalists. And such scum don't deserve the softly softly approach.

    The fact is, the place is demilitarised around 80% or so.
    The vermin junta is gone as a form of govt. ANd a big chunk of the active fascists are gone. And a massive number of civilians have been saved. Already certain oblasts are setting up Ruble arrangements and are effectively becoming Russian protectorates for now.
    Russia could take far more land on the map in hours but that would have issues with the crop production.

    Of course war is always far less than an ideal situation.
    But its not as bad as it would have been if Russia didn't intervene. Not as bad by a long long way.



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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:06 pm

    Arrow wrote:Given the very tough fights in Mariupol, will Russia capture Odessa and Kharkiv?  These are much larger cities.  There will be huge losses of both military and civilian .  So what could be the future of Russia?  Currently, they are unable to overthrow the government in Kiev or capture Kharkiv or Odessa? Unless they reckon with huge losses.In addition, large damage to the city infrastructure.


    was anybody able to overthrow Hitler? Yet after was ended there was government in Germany. Both east or west. There are politicians not in US pockets, just gestapo CIA SBU kept them down.

    Why would you assume everyone in Kiev loves banderlogs? especially after they have seen what's happening on the streets.




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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:07 pm

    How those ambitions will be fulfilled now I dunno. But it doesn't look like Russia will just take the Donbass, one way or the other we're up to our neck now and are only setting up more military administrations in various regions. Forward is the only way I guess, I just hope that our leadership finally thinks of something smart, instead of constant underestimation and unwarranted hubris leading to overly optimistic plans. wrote:

    The liberation of Donbas will not solve the problem. I don't know how Russia wants to change government in Ukraine and stop its course to the west. Now the entire offensive has come to a standstill.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:08 pm

    Hole wrote:
    That guy is a Psyops guy who was also used in Syria and Iraq. He was identified by numerous sources on Twitter, including people from Syria.

    Yeah, thought those BMPs with their cages and lack of Zs looked weird


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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 25, 2022 8:10 pm

    was anybody able to overthrow Hitler? Yet after was ended there was government in German wrote:

    In order to destroy Hitler, it was necessary to destroy the entire Third Reich.


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