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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #8

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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:00 am

    Cool


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    Post  flamming_python Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:09 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Wait.... Shoigu said they will concentrate on the Donbass....
    The action will happen on another front: Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev or somewhere else.

    I have a feeling that it will be Odessa's turn when the majority of the Ukrainian-Nazi army is defeated at the front. There is no chance that Ukraine will lose only Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast, there will be more. The Russians certainly have a lot of informants and collaborators in that city, Odessa.
    I no longer have any dilemmas about the Ukrainian army, and I am convinced that over half of them are Nazis, while the other half is full of retards and lunatics - they should be run over like the first half.
    Let no one get angry here, but I have always had a low opinion of Ukrainians. They first proclaimed "their" Orthodox Church, although they never had their own church until the collapse of the USSR. The influence of Western propaganda over the past decades is also responsible for that.

    They started eating shit much earlier, almost immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Western Ukraine is the ulcer of Ukraine, an evil that should never have become part of Ukraine. The reason is obvious; religion.

    Pretty sure that Nazis and lunatics only make up a small share of the Ukrainian army

    They're led by Nazis and lunatics but that's another story

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    Post  Firebird Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:19 am

    I always think this.
    A Ukrainian "Nationalist" is usually a Nazi.
    But not with an Austrian/German bunch of heroes, Galician ones.

    Even 10/15 years ago, I was astounded by their utter poison and lies.
    This is why I cannot understand why their filthy propaganda wasn't snuffed out back then... or before.

    This is how they work:-
    1)"We didn't commit a genocide... you did".(obviously a mirror lie)
    2)"Russians aren't Russian, we are the true Russia".(another mirror lie)
    3)"You are not Slavs, you are a mongrel race".(given they are a mix of German, Polish, Russian, Turkish, Greek and much more)
    4)"Our language and alphabet is Latin, not Cyrillic, we are European".(pure fuckwitism)
    5)"Hitler saw us as part of the masterrace" (altho Hitler and co wanted to kill all Slavs).
    6)"If you aren't Ukrainian you should leave the country"(ignores the fact that land and half the "country" has been Russian for 1100 years).
    7)"We should be the richest country in Europe if not for you" (They are now at African levels of poverty because Russia dissociated)
    8)And one from that witch Olga Reznikova on Youtube re the question of their Fascist policies - "It is not about political beliefs.We are not Fascists because we don't have a single leader".(now she is living in Denmark, playing the victim but with a very smug face).

    Clearly they are individuals of very low IQ, and even lower "morals". But the US has been feeding them this poison for decades.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:50 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Wait.... Shoigu said they will concentrate on the Donbass....
    The action will happen on another front: Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev or somewhere else.

    I have a feeling that it will be Odessa's turn when the majority of the Ukrainian-Nazi army is defeated at the front. There is no chance that Ukraine will lose only Donetsk Oblast and Luhansk Oblast, there will be more. The Russians certainly have a lot of informants and collaborators in that city, Odessa.
    I no longer have any dilemmas about the Ukrainian army, and I am convinced that over half of them are Nazis, while the other half is full of retards and lunatics - they should be run over like the first half.
    Let no one get angry here, but I have always had a low opinion of Ukrainians. They first proclaimed "their" Orthodox Church, although they never had their own church until the collapse of the USSR. The influence of Western propaganda over the past decades is also responsible for that.

    They started eating shit much earlier, almost immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Western Ukraine is the ulcer of Ukraine, an evil that should never have become part of Ukraine. The reason is obvious; religion.

    Pretty sure that Nazis and lunatics only make up a small share of the Ukrainian army

    They're led by Nazis and lunatics but that's another story


    Ukrainian "nation" does not exist, period!
    It is an artificial creation created in the last 30 years, with a fictional church and a fascist claim that Kievan Russia is actually the first Ukrainian state. Russia will get all this out of their heads, at least for those who think so in the following areas of "Ukraine"; Kharkiv, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson. There will be a few more problems with the following areas; Poltava, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kiev, Kirovograd, Cherkasy. And the shit goes from Zhytomyr and Vinica, further to the West. That is the real Ukraine, that from Zhytomyr, Vinica, Lviv, Rovno, etc.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:58 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    ▫High-precision air-based missiles have destroyed large fuel depots in Starokostantinov and Khmelnitskii districts from which fuel had been supplied to Ukrainian forces' armoured vehicles in Donbass.

    ▫Iskander operational and tactical missile system has destroyed 2 large missile and artillery weapons depots in Kamenka, Donetsk Region.

    ▫During an aerial battle, 1 Ukrainian Air Force Su-24 has been shot down near Tumen, Roven Region, near the Ukrainian-Belarusian border.

    ▫Air defenсe means of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down 10 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Izyum, Novaya Kakhovka, Donetsk, Nikolaev, Berdyansk, Gorlovka, Lugansk and Rubezhnoe.

    ✈ 💥During the day, operational-tactical aviation and missile troops hit 64 military assets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Among them: 4 command posts, including the headquarters of the Ukrainian special operations forces near Bereznigovatoe, Nikolaev region, 3 anti–aircraft missile systems - 1 S–300 near Malin cuty, Zhitomir region and 2 Buk-M1 near Ugledar and Slavyansk. 3 multiple launch rocket systems, 2 artillery batteries and 49 areas of concentration of weapons and military equipment and strongholds of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were also destroyed.

    💥In total, 124 aircfaft and 77 helicopters, 214 unmanned aerial vehicles, 321 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,752 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 184 multiple launch rocket systems, 734 field artillery and mortars, as well as 1,640 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    ❗The Russian Defence Ministry has already repeatedly exposed the cynical lies used by the Kiev nationalist regime to maintain its power in Ukraine and mislead the international community.

    ▫On March 20, for example, President Zelensky, in a video address to the Israeli Knesset, accused Russia of allegedly targeting Uman city in Cherkasy region.

    ▫To enhance the dramatic effect, Zelensky stated, and I quote, "this is a place visited by tens of thousands of Israelis every year for the pilgrimage of Tzaddik Nachman."

    ▫I would like to stress that during the special military operation, the Russian Armed Forces do not strike civilian objects. All the more so when it comes to places of worship and any other places of public worship.

    ▫It is the Kiev regime, in violation of international humanitarian law and simply moral norms, that uses such facilities as collection and transfer points for weapons and Nazis to take part in hostilities.

    ▫Today we present evidence received from a member of the Uman Jewish community of the use by the Zelensky regime for this purpose of the building of the new city synagogue, located at Shosseiny Lane 1.

    ▫Photographs taken on March 21, the day after Zelensky's speech to the Knesset, show the formation of two columns of nationalists on the synagogue grounds.

    ▫I would like to point out that the property, weapons and ammunition stored in the synagogue building were first loaded by the nationalists into the backs of dump trucks and then disguised as bags of building rubbish.

    ▫At the same time, buses painted as school vehicles with appropriate "Children" signs are being used to transport nationalists and foreign mercenaries from western regions of Ukraine, as can be clearly seen in the photos.

    ▫Thus, the building of the Jewish cult in Uman is being deliberately used by the Kiev nationalist regime for military purposes. To provoke conflict and political pressure on Russia by Jewish religious organisations in the event of a strike on it.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:22 am

    https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1509082673683259395?t=VL0Qgt9zYYRhDdwJiRCXYw&s=19

    Destroyed Ukrainian S 300PT.

    https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1509090203922747393?t=DIy4oGQByHdbIyt11YcKtQ&s=19

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    Post  franco Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:52 am

    Battalion tactical groups in Special Operations article. May explain the term to some. Author doesn't seem to be a fan but it is the mode for modern combined arms warfare.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/194054-ukraina-batalonnye-takticheskie-gruppy.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:09 am

    Strelkov takes a very critical view of the operation (Russian only)



    Key thesis:

    - Russia can't win this war without mobilization, including economic mobilization. The tens of thousands of volunteer contractors signing up won't significantly change the situation. Some existing units are undermanned
    - The enemy is losing more men, but our losses are significant too
    - The key 1st month of the campaign has been wasted
    - Advances proceeding slowly, including around the Donbass grouping. DNR and Russian troops attacking the enemy head on in the direction of their defenses. The Ukraine has already pulled some of its Donbass troops out to Zaparozhie where it's building another front. While Russia still hasn't taken Mariupol, had to make big efforts over Volnovakha, has been battling for some Avdeevka and Marinka
    - Ukrainian generals (NATO generals really), are working more competently than their Russian counterparts
    - The Ukraine is carrying out mobilization successfully, can gather another half a million in 6 months. The Ukrainian regime doesn't give a damn about its own people, they will sacrifice them. Even the Nazis evacuated their civilian population from East Prussia, whereas all the words of the Ukrainian authorities in Mariupol was geared around deceiving their own people into staying in the city.
    - Sanctions will only increase. Any agreement with Kiev authorities will mean a defeat and sanctions won't be lifted anyway. But Strelkov doesn't think an agreement is likely. The only acceptable outcome is capitulation
    - If the Russian army is withdrawn, they'll just have to fight again in a few months. The war won't end, whether in this theater or another. Only this time the Russian army will be heavily demoralized
    - The front will have to be shortened around Kiev, and can be cut in Chernigov too like the Finns cut Russian advances into pockets during the Soviet-Finnish war
    - Erdogan trying to raise Turkey's status here, in case of Minsk-3 can proclaim leadership over the Crimean Tatars. The Kremlin has only raised Erdogan's status by agreement to him hosting negotiations, and in case these talks fail, Erdogan may switch to the same hostility to Russia as the rest of NATO
    - Russia should stop negotiating with Kiev full stop, and the leadership should tell its own people that it's a war to the end
    - Russia is not offering proper guarantees to the population of the territories under its control. They won't co-operate if they think Russia won't stay there permanently
    - Stalin did not negotiate with Hitler, he insisted on his complete defeat and promised the population that victory will happen. Here the situation is similar because Russia either gets a complete victory or a complete defeat

    Well Strelkov's pessimism is well-known, and he was predicting that Putin will be overthrown by the Navalny protests in 2019-2020.

    I would list the following counterpoints:

    - The Ukraine may in theory be capable of mobilizing more manpower, but their military equipment and vehicles are mostly taken out, Russian occupation doesn't look that bad, crazy regime propaganda is wearing off, news of true losses will demoralize the effort, millions have escaped the country and millions more are looking to do so, there are humanitarian (food, fuel, medicine) concerns the regime is having increasing trouble providing
    - Russia probably does need some partial mobilization at least, for 2nd echelon units and less active areas. But too much mobilization will ruin the economy, which is restructuring anyway
    - Negotiations don't do much harm, they help keep up appearances
    - Erdogan will be countered by Iran and China as well in Central Asia and the Caucasus
    - Russia has through its measures made it quite clear to the people of Kherson that it's staying. Although the negotiations yesterday and all such statements do moral damage undoubtedly
    - Competence of Russian war-planning yet to be seen. No doubt there were numerous erroneous hopes and changes in approaches, but we have no information as to what was planned and what wasn't. If Russia did successfully pin down Ukrainian forces in Odessa, Kiev and West Ukraine, and now is able to fully encircle the Donbass grouping - then this was probably a successful approach

    Rest of the stuff he talks about I agree with


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    Post  Firebird Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:18 am

    I was thinking something earlier.
    All the problems are caused by America. Shit stirrers.
    They try and hoodwink the rest of the World into "multi-ethnic" and "human rights" concepts of their definition.
    But in truth, they care nothing for these things.

    The Russian Federation, when not being molested by outside forces works fine.
    It has well over 100 nationalities, many lanugages and ethnic groups.
    Some of the most passionate fighting for Russia are actually Chechens, now free from American brainwashing.
    Russia is full of different groups with massively different cultures, religions and languages. Altais, Yakuts.. the list is almost endless.

    I was looking at some of my family. Mainly its from the Ukraine on the one side (Russian). There are some from what was the Russian Empire, but now Poland. That area has changed hands much over the centuries with a massive influx and outflux of people.

    China is a very diverse place, but no inter-ethnic/language/nationality conflict (Uygurs aside). Likewise with Russia (post Caususes).

    Al this bloodshed is a result of Pyatt, Nuland, Obama, Clinton, the Bushes and all the other demons around them.
    They refused Putin suggested Federalisation of the Ukraine (even tho NEoCon think tanks admitted it made sense).
    Federalisation would have allowed for localised fine tuned societies, with the benefits of being part of a greater whole. Russian would be fine as part of a huge trading bloc at federal level. And individual languages could work locally... along with Russian and Ukrainian/Surzhik.  But no... that wouldn't cause enough bloodshed and trauma for Uncle Sham. Now the Fascist cancer has spread.. it must be removed.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:19 am

    flamming_python wrote:Strelkov takes a very critical view of the operation (Russian only)




    Key thesis:

    - Russia can't win this war without mobilization, including economic mobilization. The tens of thousands of volunteer contractors signing up won't significantly change the situation. Some existing units are undermanned
    - The enemy is losing more men, but our losses are significant too
    - The key 1st month of the campaign has been wasted
    - Advances proceeding slowly, including around the Donbass grouping. DNR and Russian troops attacking the enemy head on in the direction of their defenses. The Ukraine has already pulled some of its Donbass troops out to Zaparozhie where it's building another front. While Russia still hasn't taken Mariupol, had to make big efforts over Volnovakha, has been battling for some Avdeevka and Marinka
    - Ukrainian generals (NATO generals really), are working more competently than their Russian counterparts
    - The Ukraine is carrying out mobilization successfully, can gather another half a million in 6 months. The Ukrainian regime doesn't give a damn about its own people, they will sacrifice them. Even the Nazis evacuated their civilian population from East Prussia, whereas all the words of the Ukrainian authorities in Mariupol was geared around deceiving their own people into staying in the city.
    - Sanctions will only increase. Any agreement with Kiev authorities will mean a defeat and sanctions won't be lifted anyway. But Strelkov doesn't think an agreement is likely. The only acceptable outcome is capitulation
    - If the Russian army is withdrawn, they'll just have to fight again in a few months. The war won't end, whether in this theater or another. Only this time the Russian army will be heavily demoralized
    - The front will have to be shortened around Kiev, and can be cut in Chernigov too like the Finns cut Russian advances into pockets during the Soviet-Finnish war
    - Erdogan trying to raise Turkey's status here, in case of Minsk-3 can proclaim leadership over the Crimean Tatars. The Kremlin has only raised Erdogan's status by agreement to him hosting negotiations, and in case these talks fail, Erdogan may switch to the same hostility to Russia as the rest of NATO
    - Russia should stop negotiating with Kiev full stop, and the leadership should tell its own people that it's a war to the end
    - Russia is not offering proper guarantees to the population of the territories under its control. They won't co-operate if they think Russia won't stay there permanently
    - Stalin did not negotiate with Hitler, he insisted on his complete defeat and promised the population that victory will happen. Here the situation is similar because Russia either gets a complete victory or a complete defeat

    Well Strelkov's pessimism is well-known, and he was predicting that Putin will be overthrown by the Navalny protests in 2019-2020.


    And then what is the purpose of publishing this nonsense, if we already see that Putin is still in power and not Navalny? How transparent you are, man ...

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:20 am

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    #ANALYSIS—#UKRAINE—#RUSSIA—27 Tweets
    Most important statements of #Russia|n military campaign were made on the battlefield and will continue to be made there, not by the diplomats, like #Medinsky, or even hawks, like #Kadyrov. They will continue to be made by the military. 1/27

    If we consider military realities of the conflict, from its outset, without distractions in form of political statements or personal wishes, the following emerges: #Russia entered into this conflict with—at the most optimistic count—a military grouping of no more than 190k. 2/27

    This was considerably less than the combined armed forces of #Ukraine, which outnumbered the #RF forces by as much as 100k at the outset of the conflict. To date, as a result of the campaign, #Ukraine|ian forces outside of #Donbass have been reduced to an infantry force. 3/27

    Gone is the vast bulk of #Ukraine’s armoured vehicle arsenal. As of March 27, 529 tanks and 1177 armoured vehicles (IFVs and APCs) had been destroyed. Gone are #UA’s airforce and navy. The personnel losses of UA forces are estimated at over 16k KIA and 14k WIA. 4/27

    #Ukraine’s air defence apparatus has equally been turned to rubble. Over 160 command & communications/radar installations have been destroyed. Over 160 long range and over 40 short range air defence vehicles have been eliminated. #Russia|n airforce flies sorties unimpeded. 5/27

    #Ukraine continues to possess a sizeable MLRS and artillery force, which is protected by the human shield of the cities’ residential areas, where its elimination is problematic in view of #Russia’s announced (and strictly adhered to) policy of minimizing civilian casualties. 6/27

    Severe shortage of operational armoured vehicles is indirectly indicated by #Zelensky’s appeal to #NATO countries to donate 1% of their tanks to #Ukraine’s war effort and visible in failed raids from #Nikolayev to #Kherson to shell civilians under guise of fighting #Russia. 7/27

    There is not a single indication of significant armoured assaults or counterattacks and #Ukraine’s failed raids from #Nikolayev were characterized by the presence of unprotected MLRS and artillery units contrasted against glaring absence of adequate armoured vehicle support. 8/27

    Overall, #Ukraine’s army has been almost completely immobilized—in the east, in #Donbass, due to fear and inability to abandon reinforced positions in the face of #Russia|n air dominance and surging offensives to the north and to the south, as the cauldron is closing shut. 9/27

    In the south, due to the overwhelming success of #Russia|n offensive that pushed #Ukraine|ian resistance into interior, away from border with #Crimea. In the north, due to #RF forces threatening each of the major cities, blockading them, and shutting #Ukraine|ian forces in. 10/27

    It is becoming clear that, from the beginning, two possible scenarios were foreseen by #Russia|n military command: The success of the initial surprise blitzkrieg and the drawn-out methodical elimination of the #Ukraine|ian military capabilities. Both scenarios materialized. 11/27

    In the north, as stated earlier, #Russia|n forces flowed around major cities, effectively cutting off #Sumy, #Akhtyrka, & #Chernigov and shutting defending #Ukraine|ian forces in them. Near #Kiev, #Russia identified its presence and presented a real threat of encircling it. 12/27

    Clear & present threat of complete encirclement and blockade of #Ukraine|ian capital was created with insufficient (according to military doctrine) forces to surround a city of 4 million, where, even now, over 2 million civilians remain. And yet, #Ukraine could do nothing. 13/27

    Near #Kharkov, once again, a group of units clearly insufficient to completely encircle the city, was able to take it into a horseshoe formation, bind and pin the defenders of the city, preventing any adventurism from them in terms of assisting the #Donbass #UA forces. 14/27

    #Russia|n army flowed around #Kharkov, cutting it off from #Ukraine’s #Donbass group by taking #Izyum, and proceeded into a difficult offensive south, to cut off the #Slavyansk/#Kramatorsk group’s supply and communications with #UA’s interior and to complete the cauldron. 15/27

    What succeeded in the south, in #Kherson and parts of #Zaporozhye regions was rapid blitzkrieg. What materialized in the north was the binding & pinning of #Ukraine’s army & creating constant threats that made it impossible for #UA to redirect forces to assist in #Donbass. 16/27

    What is taking place in #Mariupol, #Maryinka, #Avdeevka, and south of #Izyum, as well as #Rubezhnoye/#Severodonetsk/#Lisichansk—and what took place earlier in #Volnovakha—is the methodical grinding down & elimination of #Ukraine’s best equipped and battle-hardened forces. 17/27

    Completion of #Donbass cauldron is now near at hand, and fighting is becoming increasingly more fierce and brutal. Even originally #Russia|n forces were severely outnumbered in #Ukraine, and it has become clear now that a decision has been made to limit their numbers. 18/27

    As indicated by the majority of military analysts covering the conflict, operations in the north & the south were part of 1st phase of the campaign intended to create operational freedom for #Russia|n forces to complete the #Donbass cauldron (after #Mariupol’s liberation) 19/27

    With this task now closer to completion, and #UA resistance increasing exponentially as the cauldron is closing shut, 2nd phase of campaign no longer requires (nor can afford, in view of the lack of numerical advantage) such extensive operations in the north and the south. 20/27

    #Russia has created reinforced positions near #Kiev, #Chernigov, Sumy, and #Kharkov in the north, which can now be defended with fewer forces and still present clear and present danger pinning the defenders in these cities. The south (#Kherson) is even better defended. 21/27

    #Mariupol’s liberation is close to completion. These forces, with invaluable experience fighting some of #Ukraine’s best in possibly most difficult conditions since #Stalingrad, will be freed up to focus on #Donbass cauldron where #Ukraine’s biggest group will be trapped. 22/27

    Similarly, troops no longer necessary in the north & the south, where fewer units will be sufficient for maintaining the status quo during the 2nd phase of the operation, will be transferred to the #Donbass theatre. Finally, reserves have been built up in #RF for rotation. 23/27

    The reserves in #RF (larger than all #Russia|n troops currently in #UA) have been remarked on by #Ukraine|ian & Western sources & are entirely counter to any idea that operation in #Ukraine is being limited, let alone coming to an end. Simply, 2nd phase is about to start. 24/27

    #Russia was unwilling to commit overwhelming forces to operation in #Ukraine from the beginning. This is an exceedingly lean, and, its leanness, exceedingly successful operation. The 2nd phase will involve the elimination of the #Donbass cauldron of #Ukraine|ian forces. 25/27

    The clear hope of #RF command is that success on this front will spell the final collapse of the #Ukraine|ian military machine, with cascades effects on the rest of UA defenders, just as the economy of the country continues to crumble from the overwhelming pressure on it. 26/27

    In war, there is no guarantee, except one: Do not watch the ball of negotiations being passed back & forth, watch military operations on the ground. Even #Medinsky said today that de-escalation near #Kiev does not mean the termination of the operations. Quite the contrary. 27/27


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    Post  flamming_python Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:21 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    And then what is the purpose of publishing this nonsense, if we already see that Putin is still in power and not Navalny? How transparent you are, man ...


    I already listed counterpoints I could think of in an edit

    As for why publish it - what's wrong with having a 2nd opinion?

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:22 am

    ahmedfire wrote: Cool



    WHY have you put this post in this thread?

    Maybe Poland using it all?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:35 pm

    It did. Russia reportedly agreed prior with the elites in Kharkov, Chernigov at a minimum

    They all went back on it as soon as the operation started. Well apart from Kherson

    There was also the hope of splitting the Ukrainian military from the political leadership, the former of whom Putin addressed. Didn't work either.

    Not the first time Ukrainians agreed to something and then backed out when it came time to man up... considering this really had nothing to do with the reasons for going in which still stand up, then this is nothing but Ukrainians proving a lack of spine and integrity... no wonder they think the west is so wonderful.

    Anyway I hope somehow the war ends. Talking about geopolitics and Nazis is one thing, but the whole operation is a massive fk-up, that has led to a meatgrinder.

    Ukraine as it existed from 2014 to just before the Russian forces went in this year is the massive **** up... this operation is what it needs to get right again... it was never going to get right on its own... it was broken.

    Not a fan of this, Russia will still be maliciously sanctioned and the Ukronazis come out of this even stronger and NATO rolls right in.

    Not at all, there will be no recognised nazis in office in anything that results from this, and the Lugansk and Donbass and many other regions are likely to remain actually neutral and perhaps eventually join the RF after this.

    And I will forever blame Putin for it. Even if the Kiev regime did everything in its power to turn Ukrainians against Russia; Putin did nothing in his power to dissuade them from the notion that he's a 2-bit conqueror who wants to absorb their territory into Russia and through warfare.

    I doubt he gives a **** what you think FP, he is not the sort of man who sends Russians to their deaths for fun, he is likely agonising over the situation more than you are, but unlike you he knew he had no choice, so you can continue to blame him... what exactly did you do to help the situation... did you reach out to the Ukraine and try to tell them the truth, that they were being manipulated by the US... no... you just bitched about Putin being too weak and not being strong enough... and now he is acting with force... now you will blame him forever...

    I hope you are very pretty looking because you are a very high maintenance bitch.

    For some reason, Russia seemed to have lost control of the Ukraine military and secret/internal security services long ago. Its a mystery to me why America shld be able to control them but Russia couldn't. Makes zero sense.

    It is not like they even showered them with money... they fucked up their economy by demanding they cut ties with their biggest and oldest customer of Russia... I guess the psycho loser will do anything to be with the In crowd of cool kids at high school... problem is that when you grow up your looks don't always improve the way you think and being cool doesn't matter as an adult really.

    Attacking early made little sense... apart from the Crimea, Russia didn't really give a **** about the Ukraine... they were a separate country.

    It was the US and the EU and of course Kiev attacking Lugansk and Donbass and building bio weapons labs and planning nuclear weapons and of course open nazi units in their armed forces and politics that eventually meant the attack was needed... they had the Minsk agreements... on paper the problems of the two regions was sorted... Kiev just had to do what it agreed to do... there was no way of knowing that they didn't have any intention of following those agreements until they didn't... which became pretty clear when they dug in and moved most of their armed forces to the border ready for an attack... so saying they should have attacked earlier is just bullshit.

    Maybe instead of sending troops to Syria they should have just bombed the Pentagon...

    Clearly having Kinzhal and Zircon in service has given them a confidence they didn't have before as well...

    I wonder how difficult is to topple Zhelenski from inside or just raid on him.

    Zelensky will stay because he is the jewish proof they are not nazis... but if he is toppled... who cares... he seems to have no power anyway, and the people toppling him will be where he is in Poland and will be more nazi than he is so it only makes things worse for the Ukrainians.

    Putin seems not able to do with 10000 missiles what Nuland did with a handful of breads.

    Nuland created the nazis, and Putin is removing them... I understand 5 year olds want results now, but you just have to wait.

    Not the right time to say this, but I would have felt more confident with someone like Medvedev or Kadyrov.

    Medvedev was a pussy when he was in charge and was even more pro west than Putin was, and Kadyrov might be good in a conflict but I doubt he could get the economy on track and development and progress moving forward like Putin does.

    You are peering into the kitchen of a chef and complaining about all the flour and egg shells and mess... meals require preparation and to prepare meals you need to break eggs and cut up vegetables and cook things... looking at the raw meat and complaining the chief does not know what he is doing is just ignorant...

    Wait till it is done.

    Heard reports that Pentagon is cutting down the procurement of Javelins. According to Orcs it´s to heavy, clumsy and needs to much time to set up. Very Happy Could have told them that.

    The irony is that for the Orcs they are heavy and difficult to run around the place in, but for the DNR they would be ideal for demolishing fortified positions which don't move and therefore can be targeted from quite a distance rather safely, and their excessive cost is not important to the DNR...

    Putin has done everything to convince Ukrainians that Russia wants to dissolve the Ukraine and add all these regions to Russia.
    And who knows, maybe that's what the plan is.

    Regions wanting to join will be given an option perhaps, but I suspect it is more likely they will be autonomous regions with free trade access to Russia which should help their economies no end in comparison to what they had.

    It may not matter for Ukrainian authorities but it matters for Russia, Russia is now in a position to solve this issue once and for all, do not kick it down the road.

    The territory that Russia has taken or takes should not be returned.

    They can't hold land occupied by hostile civilians, and I doubt they would want to.

    But I suspect when things get fixed up and trade starts happening with Russia the people will realise they are better off as trading partners with Russia than with the west.

    I am going to be pinned 24/7 to this site and others for next 4-6 weeks.

    Russia has them by the throat, don't let them go.

    Putin is neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsen... and the fact that this operation is even going ahead shows his thoughts of partnership and cooperation with the west is over... this is about securing Russian borders and pushing the west back and out.

    This is Kiev's neutrality. Its guarantor will be NATO. So as if they were in NATO. This is the only point that Kyiv agrees to, of course, under the terms of NATO protection.

    It is their demand at the moment, it has not been agreed to by Russia and it wont be agreed to by Russia because it is stupid.

    Well Strelkov's pessimism is well-known, and he was predicting that Putin will be overthrown by the Navalny protests in 2019-2020.

    So he is an idiot... why post what he says on anything?

    As for why publish it - what's wrong with having a 2nd opinion?

    You are right.... all this time I have been bagging up the shit from our dog when I should be posting it on here as a counterpoint to the ideas and views of others...

    The guy is prepared for anything

    A man trained to use a knife is a very dangerous opponent in close combat... I would expect a sword would allow better reach making the knife less effective... but you would have to know what you are doing with the sword of course.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t8768-russian-special-military-operation-in-ukraine-9

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