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"Donetsk: 15 tanks, 5 2S9 Nona-S, 4 BMPs, 3-4 Urals. 8:10am [local] the column went through the Petrovskyi District to assault Marinka."
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
One thing to take into account is that while many Russians consider the Ukrainian as brothers, currently the majority of Ukrainian do not see the common Russian folks as their brother. It is not like that for everyone, of course and in the south and in the east the proportions are different, but the PR campaign made by Ukraine and by the western NGOs and western propaganda obtained its objectives. There was nothing to lose. Ukraine was already lost. If they kept doing nothing also the south east would have become as much russophobic as Lvov in another 15 years (this is just considering this aspect and not the military risks posed by NATO bases and Ukrainian/american nuclear missiles hosted near the russian border and various bioweapon labs).
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Big_Gazza wrote:Gur Khan has gone full retard, and has been on a slippery slope for some time now. One more website I will no longer waste bandwidth on...
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flamming_python wrote:All this criticism of me being a hidden Ukrop
How many times was it discussed on this forum that Russia has nothing to do by going into the Ukraine? That it should be left alone?
Would the Ukraine have attacked if Russia hadn't attacked first?
I'd say there is good reason to believe that. They were not implementing Minsk, and like Saakashvilli they were only expanding the Ukrainian military. While building up more and more NATO infrastructure.
But the fact is we'll never know. Nor whether they would have attacked, nor whether NATO planned to accept them. As it was Russia that attacked. Everything else is just 'what if'
And if Russia would have succeeded in destabilising the Ukrainian regime quickly, or forcing them into a treaty - it would be one thing. For I'm sure that was the goal
But from what I can see Russia has moved from plan A, to plan B, and now to plan C.
And I don't like plan C. But there is no reverse gear as now Russia is in a proxy war with NATO.
And for that one can only blame our political and military leadership.
They consciously walked right into the bear trap that NATO has set for them, believing somehow that they can outsmart it. Instead though they underestimated everything and ended up in this situation.
Russia had 8 years to figure out something more clever. To bring about some sort of settlement on the Crimea and frozen conflict in the Donbass. Instead this shit.
And no I don't like that Ukrainian servicemen, even conscripts are paying the price for it.
Hence our command fked up. Whatever the outcome of this war, they should be put on a tribunal. Without regime change, just simply changing the guard.
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
One thing to take into account is that while many Russians consider the Ukrainian as brothers, currently the majority of Ukrainian do not see the common Russian folks as their brother. It is not like that for everyone, of course and in the south and in the east the proportions are different, but the PR campaign made by Ukraine and by the western NGOs and western propaganda obtained its objectives. There was nothing to lose. Ukraine was already lost. If they kept doing nothing also the south east would have become as much russophobic as Lvov in another 15 years (this is just considering this aspect and not the military risks posed by NATO bases and Ukrainian/american nuclear missiles hosted near the russian border and various bioweapon labs).
1 ) That's imho the most important reason for this. Bioweapons and nukes. + NA(to)ZI at your gates
@Arcticfox
2) as for Ukrainians hate towards Russia. It was artificially implanted so it can me reversed too. Yes you need to spend some time to clear people minds but no worry Japanese now love Americans
3) Russia is banned from "worlds markets" where the world consists of USA/EU and vassals, doggies and countries to weak? 10-11% of worlds population? some groups of countries that cannot say no because of bandits pressure too. BTW China and India alone is 40% of worlds population. 1st and 3rd economy respectively. They do trade with Russia. Energy and food hungry.
3) Sanctions were prepared way before the war was started. You cannot just like that introduce sanctions in 2 days without profound analytics. You can make decision though. Putin just hit first before western hammer was slamming Russia.
4) it IS also about nazis. There were nationalists on all levels of UKro administration. Russian speaking folks were second class citizens. Bandera's birthday is their national holiday. Bandera was nazi and responsible of genocide during ww2.
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kvs wrote:I don't want to be spooked by NATzO posturing. But the deciders are doubling down as things go off the rails. Now we have the US
starting sanctions action against China. I expect them to go after India and any other country that dares not bend the knee. This
is insane, but the lunatics are running the asylum.
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miketheterrible wrote:Arctic_Fox wrote:As much as i love Russia, and had lot of respect for Putin i have to say. People who think that this war is about "Nazis" is hopelessly delusional as people who claims that Russia wants to take Europe. This was a very stupid move and will achieve nothing for anyone. Only death and chaos in a world that had enough of it. Putin could had ended his political career without this... Now a lot of Russians and Ukrainians are dying, young men of a population that struggles with low birth rate. Lots of flaws on russian equipment and tactics where exposed to the world... A humanitarian crisis has emerged and people couldn't even take a break from Covid. Russia is pretty much banned from the international market. And all of this for what? Nothing. For freaking nothing. Go ahead and call me a troll if you will, but look at my older posts before trying it.
Not a troll, just an idiot.
This Operation was never done by the west because they wouldn't have the balls to do it.
You can claim whatever, but Russia went in with a significantly less force, took 40% of a country larger than most others in Europe, and that was trained and equipped for the last 8 years by NATO.
Just another armchair retard in the midst. Great thing about this war, shows how stupid so many people even on this shit forums are.
Always funny to see people cry about Ukraine and how it's causing so much damage in the world. Yeah, a country poorer than Ghana in Africa, and more corrupt than it. Yet not a blink for US destroying the richest country in Africa or destroying one of the pillars of civilization of the past (Iraq) or currently creating mass starvation and humanitarian disaster in Yemen which is the ancient country of Sheba. Or.... I can go on.
Edit: and Russia has far more legit excuses too: constant threats of nuclear and biological war against Russia from Ukraine, mass murder of 14,000 people by Ukraine soldiers against civilians (pogroms), actual biolabs banned by Geneva convention hosted by US and finally NATO build up in the country against Russia.
What did Yemen do to US? Or Libya? Their excuse was the lockerbe bombing and that was years and years prior. Or how about the fake chemical/biological weapons in Iraq? Might I add, US still has chemical weapons in storage that were banned and Russia destroyed all of theirs?
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Arctic_Fox wrote:As much as i love Russia, and had lot of respect for Putin i have to say. People who think that this war is about "Nazis" is hopelessly delusional as people who claims that Russia wants to take Europe. This was a very stupid move and will achieve nothing for anyone. Only death and chaos in a world that had enough of it. Putin could had ended his political career without this... Now a lot of Russians and Ukrainians are dying, young men of a population that struggles with low birth rate. Lots of flaws on russian equipment and tactics where exposed to the world... A humanitarian crisis has emerged and people couldn't even take a break from Covid. Russia is pretty much banned from the international market. And all of this for what? Nothing. For freaking nothing. Go ahead and call me a troll if you will, but look at my older posts before trying it.
One thing to take into account is that while many Russians consider the Ukrainian as brothers, currently the majority of Ukrainian do not see the common russian folks as their brother. It is not like that for everyone, of course and in the south and in the east the proportions are different, but the PR campaign made by Ukraine and by the western NGOs and western propaganda obtained its objectives. There was nothing to lose. Ukraine was already lost. If they kept doing nothing also the south east would have become as much russophobic as Lvov in another 15 years (this is just considering this aspect and not the military risks posed by NATO bases and Ukrainian/american nuclear missiles hosted near the russian border and various bioweapon labs).
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d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian ambassador confirmed the note from the Polish Foreign Ministry demanding the expulsion of 45 diplomats on charges of espionage. Russian foreign ministry stated that they will respond to this.
Also if anyone is wondering why livemap has turned extremely bias during this conflict it's because the two owners of livemap are Ukrainian and pro neo Nazi as well as suffering from snowflake syndrome. Another source which has turned into a pile of crap.
Anyone else got better sources ? Apart from telegram
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d_taddei2 wrote:The Russian ambassador confirmed the note from the Polish Foreign Ministry demanding the expulsion of 45 diplomats on charges of espionage. Russian foreign ministry stated that they will respond to this.
Also if anyone is wondering why livemap has turned extremely bias during this conflict it's because the two owners of livemap are Ukrainian and pro neo Nazi as well as suffering from snowflake syndrome. Another source which has turned into a pile of crap.
Anyone else got better sources ? Apart from telegram
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Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
The sanctions would have been put anyway, using some other excuse.
4 years ago as an example there was the fake skripal poisoning, and that was used for additional sanctions.
Russian products would not have been anyway welcomed in EU countries.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation
The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov, Donetsk, Kiev, and Nikolayev/Odessa
The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished
The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev
The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared
The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned
Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel
Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment
Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations
Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air
The western media equals disinformation, misinformation, lies, fake news, zero credit.billybatts91 wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation
The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov, Donetsk, Kiev, and Nikolayev/Odessa
The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished
The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev
The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared
The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned
Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel
Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment
Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations
Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air
What are the odds that Ukraine can perform somewhat successful counter attacks? The Western media has already started talking about this nonsense, but how realistic is it in the near future with Western weaponry and intelligence that they continue to get?
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billybatts91 wrote:
What are the odds that Ukraine can perform somewhat successful counter attacks? The Western media has already started talking about this nonsense, but how realistic is it in the near future with Western weaponry and intelligence that they continue to get?
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billybatts91 wrote:Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine has turned into an insurgency operation
The 4 main insurgent cells are in Kharkov, Donetsk, Kiev, and Nikolayev/Odessa
The insurgents in Mariupol were largely demolished
The insurgents in Kharkov have also been demolished, but those insurgents work with the insurgents in Kiev
The insurgents in Odessa can wait until the 3 other insurgent cells are cleared
The western part of the country could be regarded as a 5th insurgent cell, but Russia and Belarus are keeping them pinned
Russia moves huge columns and equipment due to the insurgency lacking aviation, ammo, fuel
Aviation works over Kiev liberally and donetsk, so those insurgents are getting the usual treatment
Those are the 2 main areas of insurgent operations
Russia is performing search and destroy mission with good effect, hunting the insurgency on the ground and in the air
What are the odds that Ukraine can perform somewhat successful counter attacks? The Western media has already started talking about this nonsense, but how realistic is it in the near future with Western weaponry and intelligence that they continue to get?
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