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    Post  sundoesntrise Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:25 pm

    Strelkov. Briefly on the situation at the front (13th day of the war):

    According to Izyum: fierce battles were going on in the city and its environs yesterday. However, at the moment there has been no confirmation that the city is completely in the hands of the RF Armed Forces.

    By Kharkov. There is information from a number of sources that Russian troops have gone beyond the ring road, leaving the city. Perhaps - the information is not true, but it can be definitely stated that the city is NOT blocked from the west and southwest. The Armed Forces of Ukraine also retain control over the city of Chuguev and the military base under this city.

    Alas, "to draw the arrows of the final encirclement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass" (which "Colonel Kassad" and Y. Podolyak have been enthusiastically doing for almost two weeks) is still too early.

    At the same time, a natural "artillery offensive" was carried out on the Donetsk front all day yesterday - massive artillery and missile strikes were carried out along the entire front against enemy positions and rear areas
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    Post  Mir Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:27 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Mir wrote:Also posted on The Saker from Michael Hudson >> excellent piece
    I joined this forum in 2014 and since then I'm reading about the imminent collapse of the US. Sadly, the wishes of these forum members (quite a few of whom are Russian living in the West) have never been fulfilled.

    This asshat who wrote this idiotic article should try his luck in movies, seems to have a fertile imagination.

    America is the most powerful nation in the world and no doubt has the most powerful military in the history of mankind. It spends more on it's military than anyone else - in fact it's military budget is larger than the next 15 countries military's budgets combined and it actively uses it's military to attack and destroy those countries that doesn't goosestep in line with their foreign policy. But the mighty is not standing quite so tall and you as a common American citizen is already feeling it in your pocket and you have been in trouble long before covid or this conflict in Ukraine.

    Russia recorded a Government Debt to GDP of 17.80% of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2020 - slightly up from previous years but nothing major. They have vast reserves that can sustain them for a very long time. On the other hand the US recorded a Government Debt to GDP of 128.10% of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2020 which is a very steep increase from the already huge 106.08% from the previous year. You have over a million homeless people and 15 million of your citizens are in arrears in paying their rent.

    With this conflict you and your EU partners have just isolated yourself from the the rest of the world and you are going to pay for it in Dollars, Euros and Pounds every single day. Europe can not survive without Russian gas and oil. Even the US is now looking at their hard core enemies (Venezuela and Iran) for an oil lifeline! The three winners here are China, India and Russia and they are looking into the distance waving you goodbye! Laughing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:34 pm

    Guys Romanians are saying the Mig 21 was shot down by Ukrainian s300

    🇷🇴 🇺🇦 ❗Румыния заявила, что истребитель МиГ-21 национальных ВВС был сбит украинской зенитной ракетой, предположительно, комплекса С-300ПС

    Romania stated that the MiG-21 fighter of the National Air Force was shot down by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, presumably of the S-300PS complex




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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:37 pm

    Everyone has their guess as to what next

    Russian forces do not appear to be trying to wipe out Ukrainian forces. Rather put them into cauldrons, take the roads, and conduct strikes against fuel storage, ammo storage and so on.

    I'm still of the opinion that Russia has nothing to do around Kiev, and it doesn't look like negotiations are going anywhere.

    With Kiev trying to drag the process out, I suspect Russia will move to try to establish a Ukrainian federation, with Yanukovich as its head, as ridiculous as that sounds

    Hence the battle for Kharkov. The Ukrainian troops are not allowing civilians out via the humanitarian corridors agreed upon. They want to hold it at all costs

    If Russia takes Kharkov, then it can establish the state, much how like Soviet Ukraine was established during the Civil War in Kharkov as a counterbalance against the Directorate of the Ukrainian People's Republic (a puppet of Germany).

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:37 pm

    Izyum has been liberated for real. The regime forces pulled their usual ploy of shelling residential areas, but that did not get them far.
    The regime installed, mova using mayor has run off and videos are being released with him yapping about humanitarian corridors. It
    is not clear when these videos were made.

    The Polish fake language distribution map is what the NATzO occupation regime was trying to engineer with forced use of mova by all
    public officials and on TV and other mass media. It is nothing but a husk.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:37 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys Romanians are saying the Mig 21 was shot down by Ukrainian s300

    🇷🇴 🇺🇦 ❗Румыния заявила, что истребитель МиГ-21 национальных ВВС был сбит украинской зенитной ракетой, предположительно, комплекса С-300ПС

    Romania stated that the MiG-21 fighter of the National Air Force was shot down by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, presumably of the S-300PS complex





    What about the helicopter that followed it?
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:47 pm

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    Situation at Izyum, VSU in deep shit

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    The fall of Izyum precipitates the total loss of the left flank of the 53rd mech of the VSU and de facto the 95th air assault of VSU at Kramatorsk

    The line at Chuhuiv and Balakilisk is breaking,

    With further pressure at Mariupol, they have to make a decision to fall back to the Dnieper,

    VKS will make their life miserable in this phase

    Then forces of the northeast can push to Poltava to reinforce the BTGs at Brovary on the Right flank of Kiev

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Mar 08, 2022 4:59 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys Romanians are saying the Mig 21 was shot down by Ukrainian s300

    🇷🇴 🇺🇦 ❗Румыния заявила, что истребитель МиГ-21 национальных ВВС был сбит украинской зенитной ракетой, предположительно, комплекса С-300ПС

    Romania stated that the MiG-21 fighter of the National Air Force was shot down by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, presumably of the S-300PS complex





    Ha, are Romania's gonna call Article 5 on this ?. it's their aircraft and Ukrainian shoot it down.

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    Post  kvs Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:16 pm

    Highly relevant observation made by Yuri Podolyaka:

    There is no point in grabbing every population center since it puts all the focus on Russian "occupants" and not
    on the Banderite "defenders". As the days progress the Banderites are losing more and more support as they
    engage in abuse of the people they are supposedly defending. Urban warfare is only justified if it is the hub
    of regime force groupings. Kharkov is one example. So is Chernigov.

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:18 pm

    auslander wrote:I've lived in Sevastopol for 17 years. I've NEVER heard Orcspeak spoken here nor have I heard it in Krimea.
    Ukrainian language was always the minority, majority speak russian only the most western borderd cities in the Ukraine speak Ukrainian and also not all. After 2014 most were either forced or felt pressured to not speak russian and that is the only reason why more speak ukrainian, because they either forced or fear for their lives.


    Firebird wrote:
    Whats even more disturbing is the amount of actual Nazis or similar Fascists/"nationalists" in key positions. Military, security forces, cops, education, city mayors, oblast governors etc etc.
    It surprised even me. Of course in the West, Azov etc are rarely if ever mentioned, and even then are portrayed as some tiny tiny fringe group. But in reality, they are the major force of Uncle Sham.
    Its straight out of the 1970s CIA Central America/Africa playbook.

    In Germany they denied the existence the entire time and only mentioned them once or twice as some sort of absolute minority and went on with whataboutism of nationalists in Russia not mentioning that Azov is fucking armed military fascist force while nationalists in Russia are some fucking clubs of retards. They are not in any military involved and do not act on Lebensraum ideology like Orcs that genocidet eastern Ukrainians in mass graves.


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    Even if Russia wins quick, the hate won't go away. Not in Europe, and it won't be looked upon kindly by its other neighbours. The sanctions won't be lifted either. Even if the West is also fatally wounded, it will still take down Russia with it. I think Russia is destined for decline, one way or the other.
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    Countries the west has bribed or threatened to not be part of the route will suffer because they will not benefit from the trade... just like the US wont benefit from everyone else being able to trade cheaper and faster but not with them.

    Like Garry already mentioned, it is not really the "WEST" it is not a united membership but the US is the bully on the schoolyard, who beats his weak circle of close and ugly outcasts, named Hans, Jaque and Rowan. This three little shits have their own little lakeys Guiseppe, unneutral Gold-Hans, Matador, flying Dutch, the three pre-baltic stooges and the other fools, who get bullied into whatever the US wants. I am not really educated on economics, but compared with the high distribution of extra chromosome amongst our politicians is alarmingly high. Many thought sanctions on Russia are not tight to our economy, resource needs or energy and third sectors. The sanctions have not even taken affect and the gas prices went beyond 2.20€/l and some claim it will go up to 5€/l. Only after the decision of sanctioning Russia, some managed to see that the only exceptional about them is the extra chromosome that brought them where they are.

    Russia has open markets and even EU markets will re-open, not everyone will be sticking to the bad captain who sailed his ship against an iceberg. Some already have soften their rhetoric indirectly and once the public will put pressure on them they will back peddle. Mark my word, the word embarrassment has the word ASS for a reason in it. The EU will be kissing the Ass of Russia. Russia is the richest country on earth with more than 50% of world's reachable resource within its borders, while EU countries have none or very limited. Germany has only coal and some salt, while relying mostly on export of luxury cars, specialized tools, serving sector and to some degree patents. Russia has a very broad spectrum of resource that are necessary for any country trying to stay in the 21st century. If Russia, Kazachstan, South Africa, Mozambique, China and India manned up they could sanction the EU back to 19th century. Now that eastern Ukraine is under Russian control the Titanium production is now under russian influence, guess who controls now even more of world's titanium export? Laughing

    FP wrote:To pretend that Russia will not massively suffer from the loss of export markets, inflation, sanctions is folly.
    Nobody said it would not suffer, but compared to Iran and North Korea Russia will do just fine and is able to capture new markets and partners especially after the US showed to so many countries who is a good partner and who is not. The daily life is still going good and people I know only see luxury items go up drastically, but guess what? Nobody really needs that stuff. Yes, I know russians especially russian women are "Pokazuchi" and love to show off that they have money even when they have to live on water and bread for 29 days of every month. The consumer market for CPUs and GPUs will also see some bad times, but that is all temporary.

    The reason why that shit is temporary is, that Chinese guys are not dumb and are shifting their economy to be less reliant on the west despite the huge market it is. Once the West steps on the Panda's foot they will see that is not only fluffy and passive. Western countries have used and abused China's cheap labor and have almost completely outsourced their workforce to China. All manufacturing is done in China or Taiwan, but at the same time blame China for pollution of the world completely ignoring it is western companies that are doing big share if not most of the pollution and could be easily obligated to become "green". We know why they won't do that. With all the manufacturing in China the chinese know how all that fancy shit is produced. They can use all the patents and who the **** is going to stop them? China alone could require the EU to pay their debts at once and they would be in deep shit.

    Anyways, enough of my rant.

    Edited some of my grammatical errors. Had to quickly write it at work so no co-worker sees that I am a scary RUSSIAN.


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    Post  Regular Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    What about the helicopter that followed it?

    That helicopter was shot by the Russians.
    Seriously, it was weather conditions, no reports of anything else involved so far.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:32 pm



    🇺🇸 ⚡US President Biden announces a US ban on the import of Russian oil and gas The United States understands that allies in Europe will not be able to join the ban on energy imports from the Russian Federation.

    Western partners have divorced on this issue

    USA wants energy independence, green future be damned

    EU wants Russian gas

    remember nord stream 2 was suspended indefinitely... I can feel the magic in the air tonight...

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:34 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:Ukrainian now shares some distressing video of sorry, BMP-2 not BMD blowing up civvies car and killing two civvies without any provocation.

    could be false flag or tragic mistake as Ukrainian troops and militias also use civilian vehicles.

    https://t.me/warfakes/915
    The video shows quite clearly that this BMP does not carry the distinctive signs used by the Russian army. That is, it was a Ukrainian BMP-2 that shot a civilian car.
    In addition, a GAZ-66 truck is moving behind the BMP, which is currently practically not used in Russian troops. So there are already two evidences in favor of the fact that they were Ukrainian soldiers.

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:37 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys Romanians are saying the Mig 21 was shot down by Ukrainian s300

    🇷🇴 🇺🇦 ❗Румыния заявила, что истребитель МиГ-21 национальных ВВС был сбит украинской зенитной ракетой, предположительно, комплекса С-300ПС

    Romania stated that the MiG-21 fighter of the National Air Force was shot down by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, presumably of the S-300PS complex

    I still don't see confirmation of this news anywhere except for telegram channels, a post on Vkontakte and on Yaplakal. This may well turn out to be a fake, since no one gives a link to the original source of such a statement from Romania.
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    Post  Vann7 Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:42 pm

    RTN wrote:
    Mir wrote:Also posted on The Saker from Michael Hudson >> excellent piece
    I joined this forum in 2014 and since then I'm reading about the imminent collapse of the US. Sadly, the wishes of these forum members (quite a few of whom are Russian living in the West) have never been fulfilled.

    This asshat who wrote this idiotic article should try his luck in movies, seems to have a fertile imagination.



    i joined this forum for much earlier ,and the "Experts" in economy have been saying the same thing ,
    the "collapse of america" when their dollar sink. Rolling Eyes  All this tunnel vision economist do not understand ,that as long US have a world supremacy in state of the art civilian modern business , either directly or through alliances with their closest allies in Europe and Asia . And as long they have
    a super power military status that can defeat any 98% of the countries in the world. plus their media empire with ngos interference in all nations , that can overthrow almost any government in the world.

    As long US have such immense power , their economy will not collapse.  this is ridiculous stupid all this Russian media propaganda that the west will collapse , like soviet union ,and those that repeat it ,while having such immense soft power influence over the entire world thanks to its business and military power.

    As long US have a big gun in one hand pointing on all their allies head ,and with the other hand a suitcase of money , and have world leadership with their business,  the washington DC can continue farming the entire world economy ,because they have millions of way to persuade the world into accepting them as their leader.  US can continue to exist as world economy ,even if 70% of its population was homeless on the streets.. the super billionaires and trillionaires will still be immensely
    rich and will have more money by themselves  ,more economic power that any country in the world .

    The only thing ,that can truly take down the American Empire ,is precisely the things Putin have not done yet.. because of his ignorance of how the west build their empire . Don't understand what is leadership and how nations will follow any one that leads.  The only nation that truly pose a danger to stop the dollar completely is CHINA , because if they allowed to continue challenging american business and at times surpassing them, then eventually ,that leadership role of US will switch to the chinese side.. if , they manage to surpass silicon valley companies and others with superior business.

    Empires needs followers to exist.. is that simple.. without followers empires dies.  
    So is a problem of Business influence ,business power ,is a problem of culture influence,  the reason Russia is facing so much problems for its interest to be respected in the world.. their enemies have massive positive influence with their business in the world and russia very little.. is that simple.

    US can even switch form dollar to a bitcoin like digital currency and will continue dominating the world. so is idiotic this stupid propaganda ,that some how paper currency is what makes nation to choose to follow the anglo western world order..  but is not.  Is leadership , because the west lead the world ,so rest of nations follows.. and those that choose to become isolated countries lime north korea ,iran or russia , will face the other influence that the west have.. that is NATO and their NGOS and of course also their banking system and currency of choice the dollar..

    But all this power could go down in a short time in a few months , if china suddenly began to surpass all american business and completely dominate in space . Then Nations no longer will need to follow the western system ,if a complete system of advanced business exist elsewhere created by any other nation that also is backed by a powerful military.

    This is why the west is scared about China competition in the semiconductor industry and ordered
    their puppets in Taiwan and SK to not produce chips for china ,For Obvious reasons.  that stupid people singing "the end of the dollar" don't understand. As long the west controls world development
    by leading it , there will be no "collapse" ever of the american empire..  most of population can go homeless ,and living there can become a real shit.. but from the point of view of US elites, will not matter because most of their business income comes from outside of their borders.  Unless americans start a revolution to overthrow the system.. which they will not do , then there is nothing to worry about the dollar or their debt that they don't need to pay at all.  People still don't get it
    that the world ,the international order and trade ,is run by rules that US and EU created and that they can change those rules at any time they wish ,because they can ,not a problem ,since lead the world. US can write off their debt if they can,and claim no longer needs to pay it. and their puppets will say ,yes master.. as you wish. this is the advantage of being a leader with no competition. can do whatever thing they want. because they have no competition.

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    Post  mack8 Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:45 pm

    Meanwhile wreck of an ukrainian Su-25 shot down somewhere, RuMOD reported some ukr Su-25s shot down in the last few days.
    https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1501216489189294087



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:48 pm

    Oil is surging after Bidens announcement to ban oil

    The EU has said meekly by 2030 they will not be dependent anymore

    This looks like the west is collapsing, with 300 per barrel of oil, they are creating catastrophe for their own economies

    They will need to rape Canada dry soon, and it will take time for them to build the pipeline Trump suggested years ago

    These people are fools, and will destroy their own country

    The elections are going to be a show

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    Post  Regular Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:50 pm

    Scorpius wrote:

    https://t.me/warfakes/915
    The video shows quite clearly that this BMP does not carry the distinctive signs used by the Russian army. That is, it was a Ukrainian BMP-2 that shot a civilian car.
    In addition, a GAZ-66 truck is moving behind the BMP, which is currently practically not used in Russian troops. So there are already two evidences in favor of the fact that they were Ukrainian soldiers.

    Yes, Gaz-66 wasn't seen Russian troops during early conflict
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:04 pm

    Regular wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    What about the helicopter that followed it?

    That helicopter was shot by the Russians.
    Seriously, it was weather conditions, no reports of anything else involved so far.

    A Romanian MiG-21 which was escorting a Ukrainian Su-27 back to its airspace disappeared
    Then the helicopter which was sent to look for it disappeared
    Both of those reported as due to 'weather conditions'

    Around that time there was also the report of an Estonian-registered trawler approaching Odessa or around it sinking due to hitting a sea mine

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    Post  Isos Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:13 pm

    The mig wasn't escorting the su-27. It was a combat air patrol. I doubt it's a s-300.

    The helicopter crashed above Romanian lands because of bad weather.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:16 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Guys Romanians are saying the Mig 21 was shot down by Ukrainian s300

    🇷🇴 🇺🇦 ❗Румыния заявила, что истребитель МиГ-21 национальных ВВС был сбит украинской зенитной ракетой, предположительно, комплекса С-300ПС

    Romania stated that the MiG-21 fighter of the National Air Force was shot down by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile, presumably of the S-300PS complex

    I still don't see confirmation of this news anywhere except for telegram channels, a post on Vkontakte and on Yaplakal. This may well turn out to be a fake, since no one gives a link to the original source of such a statement from Romania.

    Someone geolocated the footage

    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/ukrainian-war-developments.8899/post-801014

    It's yes at 28th of February and at Town of Makariv. No Russians were there at that time.

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    Post  nomadski Tue Mar 08, 2022 6:32 pm

    Looks like the West is cutting it's nose to spite it's face ! Or much reducing oil imports from Russia , as it is unable to do much else . But what should the response be ? But first  we have to think , why reduce and not stop imports altogether ? The answer may be , that they can sustain a reduction , perhaps with increases of imports from some third party . These could be ME country or Iran or Venezuela , together with releasing their reserve stocks . These measures may only be sustainable for 50 days or less , and not in the medium term . So it can only be a short term measure . Although the Germans say , they will import , still cutting supplies off entirely is more advantageous . Since it will push shortages to critical and unsustainable levels ,even in the short term . Russia could then impose the lifting of all sanctions in exchange for oil exports . Therefore no Russian fuel for Europe !


    The sooner this war is over the better . The sooner the Regime forces defeated the better . Amphibious vehicles will enable the crossing of Rivers . This means forces moving more rapidly , can cross large Rivers and encircle enemy forces rapidly . Crossing Rivers is easier , than crossing mountains . Does Russia have many Amphibious vehicles ?
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    Post  Regular Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:04 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    Someone geolocated the footage

    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/t/ukrainian-war-developments.8899/post-801014

    It's yes at 28th of February and at Town of Makariv. No Russians were there at that time.


    Even to this day, according to reports airstrikes and shelling going on in that town. This should be investigated further, what was motive and who is responsible or else it will be forgotten and the certain party will be blamed.
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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Mar 08, 2022 7:41 pm

    and apparently Russia deploy S-400 in Florent region of Crimea. Thus basically covering almost all the Black Sea, against high altitude incursion.

    This is the likely coverage of those sites

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5 - Page 14 S-400c10

    Coverage against very low (100 m altitude) target depicted in yellow appears to be bit lacking. But that's the job of Black Sea Fleet's Aviation. High altitude coverage however appears to be good and overlapping.

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