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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:34 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:French nuclear force is not enough to glass Russia with S500 ABM and Nudol system

    Russia is getting protected from nuclear attack because it anticipates the west growing erratic from its total defeat in europe

    So should we have to use avangard to decapitate Paris, nothing will hit Russia

    Come and try. We have nuclear submarines, bases on islands, south america and so on. And yes. 300 nukes are enough to glass russia.

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:35 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Mike the central bank is undergoing an audit conducted by CCFI

    A new council,

    Kudrin, Niabullina, Chubais, associates of Gaidar, and the other liberasts are now being grilled by the CCFI

    They're trying to go nuclear with interest rate hikes and any other stunts they can pull

    Btw the russian ministries are in civil war

    Niabullina and her group passed an order March 4th from the prime  ministry which is Mishustin to create a sub committee which is not under supervision of Shoigu and Mikhail Delyagin which is Glazyevs proxy in the Duma 

    Andrey Belousov is leading it and he is not under sanctions (who would have guessed)

    Western agents are fighting tooth and nail , once we get the central bank under control we can rectify the economy

    The first to be found of corruption will trigger a mass indictment of all liberasts who are aiding and abetting the US and EU in economic sabotage

    Very concerning of the events but hopefully the culprits will either face jail time or just exile.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:35 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    There is  a EU military with nukes. Smile
    France. We have enough to melt entire Russia to glass. Which is good to keep the balance of fear

    Being a sort of Pakistan does not make anyone particularly worthy of attention.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:35 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:French nuclear force is not enough to glass Russia with S500 ABM and Nudol system

    Russia is getting protected from nuclear attack because it anticipates the west growing erratic from its total defeat in europe

    So should we have to use avangard to decapitate Paris, nothing will hit Russia

    Come and try. We have nuclear submarines, bases on islands, south america and so on. And yes. 300 nukes are enough to glass russia.


    Again with S500 umbrella none of your nukes will work in initial stage

    We can decapitate you and leave you for dead 

    With world class first strike weapons

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    Post  Kriva Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:36 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukraine is already a defeated state, territorial losses encompass 50% of the country

    Mariupol is undergoing denazification

    Kherson is liberated

    Kharkov is 50% denazified

    Kiev has lost Brovary, Makarov, Irpen, and soon southern approach Boryspil

    We are knocking on the door of Kruvy Rog

    And now begin kalibration of galicia, Lutsk, Ivanofrankovsk

    We dont want to deal with europe anymore, go destroy what is left of the EU

    We are already commencing USSR 2, and we are eternally grateful to Josep Borell and the EU parliament for the gift

    We are nationalizing all your airplanes and buying parts from Turkey and India

    We will russify Renault too

    Merci beaucoup connard

    The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

    The sheer amount of assets that we took from Russia are so gigantic, no matter what you do, you vant compensate that. 380 billion on national bank assets alone. Do you sue your national bank leader for treason?

    You also dont understand one thing. You have massive losses in Ukraine and the Ukrainians firecly fight against you. Supplied with an endless stream of weapons. You conquer burning rubble, ruins and dead land and pay for this with complete economic wipe out.


    Btw what we do are not sanctions. Its special economic operations to stabilize and deputinize Russia.

    Russians owe $420 billion to EU banks which are now not going to be paid due to sanctions.
    France is worst affected (100+ companies operated in Russia and are in risk of their property being nationalised).

    Lets now divert too much as this thread is about military and not economics.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:38 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:Sinking into the mud
    Escar-Gauls are experts who speak from experience...

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    That musket is still in mint condition, never loaded, never fired. Good ole Cheese Eating surrender monkeys. Am I to understand that most of the NATO weapons aid comes from France? I mean makes sense, they never use their weapons, and they have to be durable enough to withstand impact with the ground after their users throw them down to run away from the battle. I mean other than in their barbaric coloinial adventures. Ah yes, the Frogs still bring insult and brutality to most of their former colonial victims. I mean other than Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Algeria. . . . They learned not to even try their old games in those countries. Sacre Bleu I guess.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:45 pm

    French ran from Wagner in Sahel

    They're generals got nervous fighting mali with Russian support

    French is a low class country, it depends on moroccans and algerians to make it great

    The french people are not really good at much so they import talent from morocco and Algeria like Aristide the bring the standards up

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:45 pm

    Aristide wrote:

    The "Caliphate of Paris" as you call it, has a 29 times higher average income than the islamic chechen slum of Moscow. Infact even Romania has a 3 times higher income than Russia.

    You should not forget, that Russia is a verympoor country with very low living standards.


    to me tis off topic. and stop here. You troll discussing nothing about military. Caliphate per capita 50$k Russian ~30$k PPP. You lie again. BTW without African slaves how long you want ot be well off? Very Happy

    Cheers

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:46 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Aristide wrote:Sinking into the mud
    Escar-Gauls are experts who speak from experience...

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #5 - Page 40 311723_283453901688387_273879369312507_902067_258116239_n

    That musket is still in mint condition, never loaded, never fired.  Good ole Cheese Eating surrender monkeys.  Am I to understand that most of the NATO weapons aid comes from France?  I mean makes sense, they never use their weapons, and they have to be durable enough to withstand impact with the ground after their users throw them down to run away from the battle.  I mean other than in their barbaric coloinial adventures.  Ah yes, the Frogs still bring insult and brutality to most of their former colonial victims.  I mean other than Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and Algeria. . . . They learned not to even try their old games in those countries.  Sacre Bleu I guess.

    That is actually not true folks, as Froggies used to be the most war-loving country in Europe for ages.
    And actually won most of the battles there.
    Still, lose some really important wars.
    They are brave men, put into wrong strategic conditions.
    Do not insult them.
    It is sad enough seeing this self-proclaimed Frog insulting the nation called his own ...

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:46 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Why did Russia stockpile all that money to Western banks (only to have it confiscated) instead of investing it in Russia like building roads, railways, factories, new agricultural farms etc.?

    Because Nabuillina is deeply connected with Europe. Smile

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    Yup. We have a lot of such people in our Central Bank and govt.

    Who just could not comprehend, how reserves could possibly be confiscated, after all there are World Bank rules, and so on

    The same with the oligarchs, who didn't listen to the new laws over the last few years about bringing capital back to Russian banks

    Well, now all those people are sidelined. Euro and Dollar reserves are frozen. But it doesn't matter, Russia can just do the same back with the debt it owes privately and publically, Western financial assets stored in its borders (and there are quite a lot), and optionally the nationalization of corporate property and intellectual property, if they really do pull out

    The greater part of Russian reserves are in gold (stored in Russia) and Yuan, so our govt has prepared for this eventuality.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:Why did Russia stockpile all that money to Western banks (only to have it confiscated) instead of investing it in Russia like building roads, railways, factories, new agricultural farms etc.?

    Because Nabuillina is deeply connected with Europe. Smile

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    Yup. We have a lot of such people in our Central Bank and govt.

    Who just could not comprehend, how reserves could possibly be confiscated, after all there are World Bank rules, and so on

    The same with the oligarchs, who didn't listen to the new laws over the last few years about bringing capital back to Russian banks

    Well, now all those people are sidelined. Euro and Dollar reserves are frozen. But it doesn't matter, Russia can just do the same back with the debt it owes privately and publically, Western financial assets stored in its borders (and there are quite a lot), and optionally the nationalization of corporate property and intellectual property, if they really do pull out

    The greater part of Russian reserves are in gold (stored in Russia) and Yuan, so our govt has prepared for this eventuality.

    Flaming, this was not an accident... it was very deliberate

    This is what scares me of Russian people who have no idea of the wolves in sheeps clothing

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    Post  Aristide Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:49 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:French nuclear force is not enough to glass Russia with S500 ABM and Nudol system

    Russia is getting protected from nuclear attack because it anticipates the west growing erratic from its total defeat in europe

    So should we have to use avangard to decapitate Paris, nothing will hit Russia

    Btw Nabuillina is shown as hero here already. The damage she did to our enemy from within is enormous.

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    Post  mack8 Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:49 pm

    Guys, guys, don't feed the trools. Don't be baited by them, it's a sign of their desperation.
    Keep calm and Z them.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:50 pm

    Russia has a total of over 6,000 nuclear warhead tacctical and strategic. France around 300. Such a potential difference. In addition, Russia has a huge amount of cruise missiles and other systems.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:50 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:Take a look at this..

    the losses of russian army to baykatar drones can't be denied , and this is army that claimed
    "air superiority" total control in the first day and that "disable ukraine air defenses" just in the first day.

    http://charly015.blogspot.com/2022/02/ataques-de-drones-bayraktar-durante-el.html

    The images confirm what many have been saying , but ignored by fanboys in the forum ,
    and is that the Russia army is not yet prepared to fight a modern war against an enemy with
    strong air support . Because if the Russian military can't properly defend their own army ,
    right next to the russian borders ,where Russia have access to the entire air power.. then imagine
    how much worse it will be for Russia military if it had to fight far from its borders, or perhaps if the country it had to invade was fully armed by NATO and Israel.

    -Zero electronic warfare used to blind the remote controlled baycatar drones.
    -Zero mobile air defenses protecting their major troops formations.
    -Zero anti air artillery taking down those drones .
    - Those drones need to take off from airports runways.. why those airports don't properly destroyed?

    And this is ukraine a third world nation ,that is only armed by another third country like turkey ,that their drones they manufacture with NATO parts.

    Imagine how much worse this will have been , if Russia was fighting in Serbia ,under attack by NATO ,that have NATO airbases near?  if it was fighting in Israel?  

    Russia is a second grade military today ,when it comes to modern warfare ,
    i have no doubts today , that had Russia had no nuclear weapons , and had no way to deter enemies from attacking them directly, it will have been completely destroyed its military in ukraine by any NATO major power with US unlimited aid of drones and modern weapons.  All those stupid era soviet artillery duels tactics ,that russia love to show all the time " as how powerful they are" will have been
    totally useless ,if Russia can't properly defend its airspace.

    Only russia nuclear deterrence is what prevents NATO from destroying Russia military bases, ,because all those s-400s ,that supposedly cover ukraine airspace performance vs baykatar drones have been mediocre to say the least.  since the russian army convoys are taking a lot of hits right next to belarus border ,which russia s-300s and s-400 can reach easily. No

    So far hopefully this war will show the incompetent Russia government and russian army ,that they are not well prepared at all , not even close to fight a real war ,against a much more stronger army ,
    as it will be japan for example , or israel , or UK , France or US.   so keep celebrating those s-400s junk , not good enough.. Russia is losing buks defenses like there is no tomorrow. and will lose those s-400s too , if they were located in ukraine , no question about it.


    Lets see what will happen to russian army, once those israeli drones start showing up targeting
    russian convoys , i can forsee a major disaster for russia in ukraine. if the russian military don't start
    properly providing air cover to the russian army. Because so far , doesn't look at all ,that Russia after 2 weeks of fights ,have complete control of ukraine airspace. not even close.. it can be hammered
    from time to time its military , with the very weak defense capabilities of russia vs drone attacks in ukraine and s-400s and s-300s deployed near the battles zones in russian border.

    i think is time for russian military to start moving to lethal energy weapons that fry electronics in combination with modern anti air artillery like the ones germany have.




    Ukraine airspace is on russian borders, and is fully under reach of russia s-300s and s-400s,
    and buks defense.. why those shitty airdefenses not stopping those drones from flying?
    what is the excuses now for russian army? 8 years preparations for war against ukraine was not
    good enough? they knew ,the high possibility that russian army will had to invade ukraine.
    they knew how dangerous were those baykatar drones of turkey, and how many russian hardware
    Russia military lost in syria, then later in armenian war , so what is the excuse now?
    so far is showing major weakness ,pretty poor performance vs modern warfare.

    Russia is strong only vs stalingrad like world war 2 battles , that wars are won by armor
    and artillery and tanks and soldiers on foot fighting . but in modern warfare , when enemy airforce
    and drones capability ,is very capable , russia military performance downgrade to the level of iran.
    This is very serious , because NATO is watching this , is paying attention to this , the west now knows Russia is very weak ,vs drones attacks and loitering munition, not well prepared for a sustained defense against it. and now there is no excuse people that used in the forum , as they did in the armenian conflict.. "russian army not there fighting"   Laughing

    Now is the russian army fighting . stop defending what can't be defended..
    russian army was sent to ukraine ill prepared ,fact , to properly defend its military from a modern air war. now all those that told "russian army is not there fighting" in the armenian conflict ,will need to eat their words..  now is the russian army being smashed ,just like turkey did it in armenia with their drones.  and i don't think ,that this major problems can be fixed by just sending more buks to ukraine.. the tactics are simply wrong..  Russia needs to go back to the drawing board and develop something new for a sustained air protection and defenses for the russian military. Because those shitty s-400s, and s-300s that covers all ukraine airspace don't work at all. and neither those mobile air defenses working that well either.   No

    if there is something positive in all this ,is that now everyone will stop worshipping those obsolete russian airdefenses s-400s ,s-300s , buks ,tors, not providing proper air cover to the russian convoys near belarus borders.  Neutral and russia military will need to radically change its tactics ,to protect its military convoys and military defended bases too ,when facing a modern war.   No

    There is no point in russia building any surface warship if it can't even protect its own soldiers in land , right next to its borders in a modern war.. they need to invest heavily instead 10x times more in modernizing its airforce and military for future modern wars, that will rarely use tanks or artillery and will focus more in air space domination using either energy weapons and saturation attacks with cheap drones warfare.

    The TB2 flies according to the display and optical height assessment around the 150 to 200m. An S-400, we say at 45km to 80km distance will not see anything. Physikalic not possible.

    The documented destroved TB2 Drohne  near a Torm2 was also very low height and distance. Maybe 200m above reason.
    Apparently, two drones always operate, a light mark (TB2) and an armed drone.

    As a result of this threat is:
    More TorM2!
    Always active 24/7 im standing and in driving!

    But that costs: Each vehicle costs 25 million US dollars. Inside prices ~ 15 million US dollars.

    We know that there is no TB2 drone where there is a active TorM2.
    We know as soon as the TorM2E of the Armenians were pulled south, they were immediately attacked as long as the gates were inactive (I say only inactive in the Garange, boy who makes such a bullshit ???!).

    But as soon as the active TorM2, not TB2 Drohne and activity has returned behind the border from Aserbaidschan. . The drone game was over. Just like here in Ukraine. Yes, the TB2 drones still find victims, too many, but they have no effect, no demoral singing, no military effect. They are annoying and cost a lot but the advance Attack will not stop or undermine not morality.

    Means for the future:
    Torm3, more range, better range for targeting and better and more missiles and reaction speeds!

    NATO has nothing in the countryside. If the army against such an armed drones would have to operate and against such an old but effective AD with S-300, SA-8, BUKM1, etc., however, their Air Force would be something in the ass and the enemy would break everything by drone. All! Because NATO has nothing comparable like Buk, Panzir or even TorM! Zero Air Defense in 10km Range. Please refer Saudi Arbaien, Irak (US Airbase) other all Basesd, zero Defence!

    We have Panzir systems. The ukrainians captured 3 so far. I guess they will be studied very well.


    They've been studied by NATO already, captured in Libya by Turkish proxies

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:52 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:French nuclear force is not enough to glass Russia with S500 ABM and Nudol system

    Russia is getting protected from nuclear attack because it anticipates the west growing erratic from its total defeat in europe

    So should we have to use avangard to decapitate Paris, nothing will hit Russia

    Btw Nabuillina is shown as hero here already. The damage she did to our enemy from within is enormous.

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    At 130 per barrel of oil, niabullinas efforts were perfectly negated by Joe Biden and the EU parliament lmfao

    I think your gov is paying 1 billion to us daily , but only in rubles please

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    https://www.russiadefence.net/viewtopic.php?t=8760

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    Post  GarryB Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:48 am

    My guess would be that they're targeting storage/gathering points for the western military aid, but that's just conjecture.

    They have every reason to... easier to hit one truck full of dozens of weapons than to hit a dozen different weapons deployed in the field.

    Ukraine might have been accepted but it's years away most likely over a decade away on meeting the criteria. Other countries waiting still haven't met criteria. If Ukraine ever did join it would be a massive drain on EU. The amount money need to pump into Ukraine to make it anywhere near EU levels would bankrupt EU

    They likely would say everything is fine there and it doesn't need any money spent on it...  Rolling Eyes


    May have been Russian forces using it to expose Ukrainian AD for SEAD purposes

    They used the Tu-141 for recon a very long time ago... would be obsolete in that role now...

    They use different drones now.

    That's what the 57mm would have been used for.

    Vann believes the advert and thinks if they had air burst 57mm cannon shells nothing could touch them and everyone would live to a ripe old age and die peacefully in their sleep.

    The fact that an ancient non stealthy Tu-141 drone managed to fly through several HATO countries without even being noticed should be ignored of course.

    Yes, I'm aware the Russian MoD has recently released one example of such footage, but they earlier reported over one hundred violations. It feels like there ought to be hours worth of footage to truly get the point across.

    Russia does not expect to win the media war in the west, and there is no point trying. they will be careful what they release because it gives away what they can see and do on the battlefield.

    There are so much talk about Russians staging Chemical/Biological attack on Mariupol or Kiev to move their stalled offensive. (Not my words)

    Some US politicians are claiming that it will be NATO's red line and they will get involved.

    Sounds like US politicians itching for a war in Europe and giving local Orcs some hints as to how to get it started...

    Even russian hardliners in russian state TV start to change mood against Putin

    The moscow times is a baltic rag that nobody in Russia reads... it is anti Russian propaganda and always has been... they don't sell issues, issues get left in places like bus stops and train stations.

    That does not look like winning

    Hahaha... look at the still image from that video... look at the smoke on the right size of the image and the smoke on the left side... seems the smoke on the left side is computer generated...

    But I'm worried about Syria itself, coz of the unfinished war and Russia's constraints in Syria.

    Agree, they should take advantage of the rats in their war going for big money to fight for Kiev... I am sure the nazis will love to see some colour in their home towns... hahahaha.

    I would think they would be doing more good liberating Syria from the US... and ISIS.

    The airplanes are worth 10 billion €. Thanks to your central bank we have 380 billion € of your assets. You can keep the planes amigo. They wont fly anyways in a matter of months.

    Obviously Russia wont just be seizing those 5 billion in planes... they are old and have been used which decreases their value...

    You are defending pure unadulterated fascists. Your granddad would be ashamed of you.

    We don't know which side his granddad was on...

    The issue i see for Putin is, that the oligarchs might pull the plug on him. They lost enormous amounts of assets and are not happy about that.

    Actually only the west seized those assets, not Putin, so perhaps now they might shift their money back to Russia... that will be good for Russia.

    The ironic part is, that the money is taken from russian assets.

    When you set up bio labs to make anti Russian viruses and OKed nukes for the Nazis, you said goodbye to Russia.

    And when I say you of course I mean your masters in Washington, it was their idea to make you suffer...


    But thats exactly what it is about. The costs for Russia are extreme and for what? To rule over an empire of dust and ashes?

    You don't understand Russia at all do you.

    What level of suffering do you think will be needed for them to surrender?

    The EU commission. It was decided to send weapons of 500 million €. Mostly more MANPADS.

    American ones? That will be about four gripstocks and missiles?

    The Issue i see more relevant that somehow Putin appears to be sourounded only by boot lickers and yes sayers and this led to the state Russia is now. Nobody with a sane mind can tell me that Russia expected this massive fallout. It appears they thought its a 2 days adventure and the EU accepts it.

    I am pretty sure he expected rather worse... do you think the troops in Belarus are there for eye candy?

    Supplies weapons and uses its endless monetary power to raise the cost for russia to extreme levels

    What extreme levels, they are using mostly standard equipment and vehicles.

    I would say HATO has never spent anything like this on MANPADS and anti armour weapons for a very long time... they likely wont have enough left to equip their own armies.

    As i said, be thankful you have the ability to see our side.

    The fact that we are smiling and laughing should tell you something.

    That you believe western propaganda?

    Why did Russia stockpile all that money to Western banks (only to have it confiscated) instead of investing it in Russia like building roads, railways, factories, new agricultural farms etc.?

    When they call it a reserve, that is what they mean. Funds were already being spent building roads and railways and factories, and their farms are expanding and increasing production on their own and food exports now generate more money than military exports... so there is that as well.

    Putin had 20 years to fire these people and replace them with more competent ones.

    He failed to do so.

    They are not so much incompetent, as western focused and western leaning... and probably up until about 2014 Putin was western leaning too.

    Now the direction is to the rest of the world, so they needed a change and now they have it.

    As these companies leave the Russian market the Chinese will move in.

    And critically, those EU businesses are not in Russia to help Russia.... they are there because they make a good profit... and US politicians are taking that away from them.

    So you admit that it was a genius move of us to install Nabuillina? Keep in mind nobody expected that massive asset freeze.

    Not at all... the west was going to continue to steal money from Russia for as long as there were any ties at all between them... that is what the West is... a giant tick.

    Finnish media claims that more than 200,000 upper middle class Russians have fled Russia after the war started.

    Finnish media claims.

    We have Panzir systems. The ukrainians captured 3 so far. I guess they will be studied very well.

    HATO has had S-300s and Tunguskas and S-300Vs for decades... doesn't matter much at all.

    Legarde is the dominant lady here while Nabiullina looks scared and intimidated.

    Likes a bit of whips and chains does she?

    You euro queers really don't do anything normal.

    I guess they want live free and not in an isolated dictatorship?

    So they are not going to the west then.


    it could be fith column liberal assets of the west , that were financed by the hundreds of western NGO's ,operating in Ruussia.

    Or it could be the western media making shit up again...



    Was going to split off the economic BS from this thread but now it is closed I wont bother.

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