Russian special military operation in Ukraine #4

Werewolf wrote:

Mir wrote:Yes he is screaming for NATO to enforce a no-fly zone. If they do it's war between NATO and Russia. NATO don't want any direct war with Russia - so no it's highly unlikely.

Yugo90 wrote:If nato wants no fly zone they need to send nato fighters to patrol over Ukraine. So it would be a matter of time when russian and nato aircraft would be in a dogfight. It would be a total waar.

Then I understood correctly, thanks guys.

There is another reason, friendly fire.

Currently the Ukrainian AD are almost certainly operating as individual units on on a spot a plane in the sky, shoot, scoot to new location basis. They are able to do this as they expect, unless they get specific orders or IFF works only RuAF flying.

If there is a mix of NATO and RuAF in the sky accidents will happen as I can't see NATO releasing their IFF even if the UkAD was able to read it or flight plans which would be subject to change at any moment.

The UK Defence Minister eluded to this kind of problem as a reason not to.

Orlan wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's also clear bullshit

The Ukrainians had like 150 vehicles captured in the past day alone

150? Where? Kherson base had like 6 BRDMs, 2 BTRs I saw 1 tank in video, even tho I think they say there were 5 or something, and few trucks, if you meant that.

Kherson base looked like good ammunition stock tho, but not many useful vehicles there.

Sorry my bad, thought there was a lot more

You are falling for a cheesy Western propaganda source though. What 725 vehicles. And who sources them their photos, do you think?

Nowhere near that amount of tanks have been taken out for one thing. I've seen like less than half a dozen actually taken out. Maybe another dozen and a half immobilized or otherwise abandoned.

flamming_python wrote:

I haven't seen that many knocked out Russian vehicles. A few dozen, and many of them were clearly abandoned.

A few downed helicopters and planes as well.

The Ukrs are also active in image editing of photos, adding 'Z' signs, and passing off their own destroyed columns for Russian ones. All sorts of nonsense

Obviously there are quite significant Russian loses

But lose your head. If Russia has had 700-800 killed so far, then how could it possibly have that many vehicles destroyed?

That would make sense only if the Ukrainian claims of 9000 Russian killed are true.

I don't think Ukrainian numbers are true, far from it, but I don't think Russian claims are right either. I am afraid it's somewhere in mid and that alone is horrifying.

Orlan wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

I haven't seen that many knocked out Russian vehicles. A few dozen, and many of them were clearly abandoned.

A few downed helicopters and planes as well.

The Ukrs are also active in image editing of photos, adding 'Z' signs, and passing off their own destroyed columns for Russian ones. All sorts of nonsense

Obviously there are quite significant Russian loses

But lose your head. If Russia has had 700-800 killed so far, then how could it possibly have that many vehicles destroyed?

That would make sense only if the Ukrainian claims of 9000 Russian killed are true.

I don't think Ukrainian numbers are true, far from it, but I don't think Russian claims are right either. I am afraid it's somewhere in mid and that alone is horrifying.

You need to use your head and understand that there is an information war going on

Also, that tanks and other armored vehicles do not move alone. They move in companies, platoons. If there's just one in the field somewhere so it's likely that it was abandoned and then torched by some 'territorial defense' group that got to it before the BREM vehicles did.

If there is an actual torched Russian column, then it could well be real. But more believable when with bodies. Sometimes they simply photo destroyed Ukrainian columns, with painted Z signs or photo edit them onto them.

Also, you need to be able to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian equipment, and photos from the war in the Donbass in 2014-2015. There's a lot of BS going on.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's interesting that KlausSausageGobbler's posts have dramatically decreased, and your similar sounding posts have dramatically increased recently.  BTW you earlier post of the row of 'Moscal' Tunguska's being destroyed was proven to be a complete FRAUD...just give it up already tryhard!

Who's sausage?

That wasn't my post, I shared what I found, it's not like I went and burned anything.

Also I don't think "Z letter is too neat" counts as debunking anything.

Orlan wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's interesting that KlausSausageGobbler's posts have dramatically decreased, and your similar sounding posts have dramatically increased recently.  BTW you earlier post of the row of 'Moscal' Tunguska's being destroyed was proven to be a complete FRAUD...just give it up already tryhard!

Who's sausage?

That wasn't my post, I shared what I found, it's not like I went and burned anything.

Also I don't think "Z letter is too neat" counts as debunking anything.

Well it clearly does because that Tunguska stuff was pure nonsense, there is a before and after photo

And to have a line of them captured is a bit comical.

flamming_python wrote:

You need to use your head and understand that there is an information war going on

Also, that tanks and other armored vehicles do not move alone. They move in companies, platoons. If there's just one in the field somewhere so it's likely that it was abandoned and then torched by some 'territorial defense' group that got to it before the BREM vehicles did.

If there is an actual torched Russian column, then it could well be real. But more believable when with bodies. Sometimes they simply photo destroyed Ukrainian columns, with painted Z signs or photo edit them onto them.

Also, you need to be able to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian equipment, and photos from the war in the Donbass in 2014-2015. There's a lot of BS going on.

Hey I lived though "Serbs eat babies" narrative. I know how it works.

Still I don't see way this looks any brighter, there is just way too much video material that turns my stomach over.

Chechens alone captured a brigade worth of Ukrainian vehicles 2 days ago

They're the only ones who know how to do propaganda here

Of course plenty of other units are capturing stuff. There was footage of a destroyed Ukrainian column in Volnovakha today.

All that MLRS fire and missile strikes in the first few days against Ukrainian army positions and bases. No footage from all that. But you can bet there are tons of destroyed vehicles

Follow the real war, not the propaganda war.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's interesting that KlausSausageGobbler's posts have dramatically decreased, and your similar sounding posts have dramatically increased recently.  BTW you earlier post of the row of 'Moscal' Tunguska's being destroyed was proven to be a complete FRAUD...just give it up already tryhard!

He tried to get false sympathy which worked on some morons here for his dead VDV friend lol.

Orlan wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

You need to use your head and understand that there is an information war going on

Also, that tanks and other armored vehicles do not move alone. They move in companies, platoons. If there's just one in the field somewhere so it's likely that it was abandoned and then torched by some 'territorial defense' group that got to it before the BREM vehicles did.

If there is an actual torched Russian column, then it could well be real. But more believable when with bodies. Sometimes they simply photo destroyed Ukrainian columns, with painted Z signs or photo edit them onto them.

Also, you need to be able to tell the difference between Russian and Ukrainian equipment, and photos from the war in the Donbass in 2014-2015. There's a lot of BS going on.

Hey I lived though "Serbs eat babies" narrative. I know how it works.

Still I don't see way this looks any brighter, there is just way too much video material that turns my stomach over.

Such as what?

The last one I saw was the ambushed VDV column outside Kiev. 3 BMDs were destroyed, and quite a few corpses around.

It's a local defeat, but these aren't huge loses.

The aircraft today are a shame.

The Ukrainians suffered a missile strike against their base near Kharkov. Casualties can be as high as in the hundreds. It was a message to them to get out of there.

Not that I'm proud of anything here. I hate all this shit, and this whole war.

LMFS wrote:

Orlan wrote:I don't think Ukrainian numbers are true, far from it, but I don't think Russian claims are right either. I am afraid it's somewhere in mid and that alone is horrifying.

Horrifying would be dealing with a fully developed nazi Ukraine armed with nukes and with the full support of the NATO, but you can thank God that current Russian leadership planed and worked so effectively that was in conditions to outmanouver the West just in time. You guys counting KIAs and unsubstantiated failure stories are directly working as moral support of Russia's enemies, just in case you had not noticed it yet. I and many others did

He's a fraud. It's that simple. Same with Seig as example.

miketheterrible wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's interesting that KlausSausageGobbler's posts have dramatically decreased, and your similar sounding posts have dramatically increased recently.  BTW you earlier post of the row of 'Moscal' Tunguska's being destroyed was proven to be a complete FRAUD...just give it up already tryhard!

He tried to get false sympathy which worked on some morons here for his dead VDV friend lol.

Dont go there. Stop insulting everyone. Are you 13 or what?

I have no intention to have memory of dear friend spit on by random noone with lack of basic empathy or social skills of any kind.

Thank you for having me.

Slava Rusiji.

LMFS wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:He's a fraud. It's that simple. Same with Seig as example.

He is just waiting his turn in the ignore queue, together with some other "genuinely concerned friends of Russia" that systematically show their support by rowing in the opposite direction

He's the 'Concern Troll' archtype, and his posts sound almost exactly like Klaus...fake apologetic, fake sympathetic, and fake concern overtones. Klaus signed up to the forum back in 2015, and the vast majority of his posts were centered around "Russian's are just letting Donbass residents die for no reason!" When the intervention began he went the complete opposite direction "Putin is engaging in a quagmire that will ruin Russia!"

He also fake concern trolled the Russian population thread, blatantly spreading lies (that both mike and kvs completely debunked) about the Russian population suffering brain drain, massive AIDs epidemic, etc. He only posts in threads where there's some crisis (hyped up or not) and spreads his fear porn concerning Russia. KlausSausageGobbler doesn't contribute to any threads in a objectively meaningful way!

It's only a civilian estimation of one person. There is definitely equipment in the fields that never got pictured. I am 100% losses are higher on both sides. Especially on the Ukrainian side, they tend not to post their own destroyed machinery. We didn't get any videos of 70 Ukrainians killed in grad attacks or other base bombardments and equipment, at least light one is definitely stationed there.

All considered, worth checking with a critical mind.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Then check (they are slower, but much more accurate)

https://lostarmour.info/armour/

And come up with a conclusion yourself.

Orlan wrote:I have no intention to have memory of dear friend spit on by random noone with lack of basic empathy or social skills of any kind.

Thank you for having me.

Slava Rusiji.

I wouldn't mention this very personal thing on this forum, this can be used as trolling as well. I fully understand your concerns, but just sit back and realize that like me, you are just an observer. I will tell you what is even more dramatic than this conflict - it was watching Nord Ost and Beslan live on TV. If you lived past those events (maybe you are very young) you would be hardened against anything.

Also, check this

ALAMO wrote:I suppose the priority of rapid territorial advance is to be blamed here for real, but the Russian soldier is paying with blood for making a NATO intervention out of a question.
A limited air operation lasting 2 months to soften the AD, NATO way, would only encourage "partners" for something stupid.

You make a very good point that most commentators seem to miss.  Sitting back US-style and launching weeks of LACM and air attacks to soften up Ukopisstan (but without putting troops on the ground) would provide opportunity NATO to act and fly in ground forces, which would be seen to block any subsequent Russian ground incursions.

Instead Russia opted for a lightning fast incursion to quickly dominate key Orc strongholds while decapitating their C3 and AD fixed facilities.  Russia is on the ground, in charge of the agenda, while NATO is caught on the hop, and now cannot even think about inserting ground forces.  The best they can do is send equipment and weapons, but no direct assistance.

Seeing Russia taking losses is galling, as is the white noise spewing from the Western social media propaganda machine, ably fueled by concentrated Dunning-Kruger juice (*) that the West seems to have in massive abundance.  In the end however, none of this will make a difference, and the Orcs will still suffer a military loss of biblical proportions, while the seriously evil murkans and their Euo-peon gimps will see their dreams come to naught.

Welcome to the start of the end of the accursed New World Order.



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This is the level of propaganda we are at. And some people on this forum are falling for it. It's a disgrace. Shame on you morons

Guest wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's interesting that KlausSausageGobbler's posts have dramatically decreased, and your similar sounding posts have dramatically increased recently.  BTW you earlier post of the row of 'Moscal' Tunguska's being destroyed was proven to be a complete FRAUD...just give it up already tryhard!

He tried to get false sympathy which worked on some morons here for his dead VDV friend lol.

Dont go there. Stop insulting everyone. Are you 13 or what?

If we turn the numbers times the possibly gives more sense. Even if I did not see any 41 losses in tanks on the Russian side, we expect damaged, ditched, etc. with such a maximum of losses on Russian side.

So yes, they just made their losses to Russian and different around. If that was like the enemy claimed, no win of terrain had happened. Therefore, it is simply propaganda.

Regular wrote:It's only a civilian estimation of one person. There is definitely equipment in the fields that never got pictured. I am 100% losses are higher on both sides. Especially on the Ukrainian side, they tend not to post their own destroyed machinery. We didn't get any videos of 70 Ukrainians killed in grad attacks or other base bombardments and equipment, at least light one is definitely stationed there.

All considered, worth checking with a critical mind.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html

Then check (they are slower, but much more accurate)

https://lostarmour.info/armour/

And come up with a conclusion yourself.

The only thing I'm 100% sure about is that you don't know what is going on. And you are getting sucked in by a vortex of propaganda.

Backman wrote:This is the level of propaganda we are at. And some people on this forum are falling for it. It's a disgrace. Shame on you morons

https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1500177643504910337?s=19

I saw this footage on RT earlier today, from a story on RT about the liberation of a town in the Donbass. Those are privately owned vehicles that have nothing to do with combat other than to mark themselves as pro Russian.

Guest wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Orlan wrote:

Thats alot.

It's interesting that KlausSausageGobbler's posts have dramatically decreased, and your similar sounding posts have dramatically increased recently.  BTW you earlier post of the row of 'Moscal' Tunguska's being destroyed was proven to be a complete FRAUD...just give it up already tryhard!

He tried to get false sympathy which worked on some morons here for his dead VDV friend lol.

Dont go there. Stop insulting everyone. Are you 13 or what?

Nope. Able to spot bullshit. It's called "calling people out". Remember, this is the internet son (been on it since the early 90's), so you may learn a thing or two that people lie on the internet to create a persona.