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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:54 am

    Either way it sucks for Egypt that it was put in such a crappy position by the US and I always maintained that between Russia and Egypt, the middle finger would be applied for so many reasons beyond the US' ability to maintain its threat of sanctions, but I guess I was wrong.

    Well the problem is that politicians have business interests, and also financial backers who also have business interests and of course for big business in Egypt the big players also have business interests and many of those interests will include connections and ties with the US and other economies that they can influence.

    Your politicians might dearly love to cut ties with the US because they are toxic... but when a puppet has its strings cut the first thing it does is it falls to the floor in a heap.

    Someone on the internet might see that as a necessary step to becoming a real boy, but it is not so great for the people who fall to the ground... even with the promise they can stand on their own two feet in some future date.

    The Ukraine and the UK both made the same mistake... they ignored their market and their main customers... in the case of the Ukraine they thought the west would replace the Russians as their main customers, but the west has their own engines and aircraft and they didn't want more competition, and the UK ignored or didn't think about the fact that the European market is their main market to trade.

    If and when Egypt joins BRICS and starts increasing trade with non western countries then their ability to be independent will increase, but for a politician to make decisions that will lead to serious economic damage is political suicide, and if you haven't noticed these days most don't have the honour or integrity to fall on their swords when they have been caught.

    However, much better that they end up with the RuAF or VVS than Iran IMO. Nothing against Iran, quite the opposite since I'd like to see them augment the level of their AF to deal with any potential US/Israeli attack, just not with the customized beauties that were destined to Egypt.

    They will likely require modification for the VVS... much like the MiG-29SMT aircraft for Algeria needed changes too...

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    Post  Gomig-21 Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:05 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Well the problem is that politicians have business interests, and also financial backers who also have business interests and of course for big business in Egypt the big players also have business interests and many of those interests will include connections and ties with the US and other economies that they can influence.

    Your politicians might dearly love to cut ties with the US because they are toxic... but when a puppet has its strings cut the first thing it does is it falls to the floor in a heap.

    Someone on the internet might see that as a necessary step to becoming a real boy, but it is not so great for the people who fall to the ground... even with the promise they can stand on their own two feet in some future date.

    The Ukraine and the UK both made the same mistake... they ignored their market and their main customers... in the case of the Ukraine they thought the west would replace the Russians as their main customers, but the west has their own engines and aircraft and they didn't want more competition, and the UK ignored or didn't think about the fact that the European market is their main market to trade.

    If and when Egypt joins BRICS and starts increasing trade with non western countries then their ability to be independent will increase, but for a politician to make decisions that will lead to serious economic damage is political suicide, and if you haven't noticed these days most don't have the honour or integrity to fall on their swords when they have been caught.

    You're absolutely right.  Sisi is an interesting individual and never shows his displeasure, even when he gets insulted by the media to the whole world like he did on 60 minutes when he got clobbered for the deaths in Tahrir Square and started sweating profusely!  It was the most embarrassing moments of his presidency and what did he do?  He asked his staff to "please ask the producer not to air that part" lol.  Of course they aired it and made a huge stink about it as if he was totally guilty of the deaths/murders.

    The other time was when that dufous Trump called him his "favorite dictator" LMFAO!  He took that one with a completely easy stride and laughed it off.

    But behind closed doors, everyone knows he is not to be messed with except those he is powerless against such as the US.  Even Biden said "no more freebies for Trump's favorite dictator" during his campaign and what did Sisi do?  Nothing!  As a matter of fact, he shook Biden's hand when they met for the first time in Saudi Arabia and said some polite greeting and that was the end of that.  Even the Crown Prince whom Biden blatantly accused of murdering Khashogshy barely shook Buden's hand and while ignoring him for most of the summit, he gave him the wicked stink-eye! lol

    Would we like to see Sisi be less of a puppet like you mentioned?  Hell yeah!  But all the reasons you mentioned for him not to be are exactly why he never will and will only choose the battles he can handily win.  Something tells me, though, he and his foreign minister could've put up a much better fight against CAATSA for the Su-35SEs than he did which is why we are most devastated about that.  They would've been the best fighters Egypt would've ever possessed and us fanboys would've been talking about them every single day!  Dammit!

    GarryB wrote:
    They will likely require modification for the VVS... much like the MiG-29SMT aircraft for Algeria needed changes too...

    What kind of modifications?  I do remember that the EAF had requested the AESA radar that is on the Su-57 along with the complimentary ones on the leading-edge flaps & wing tips.  The reason for that was because they were promised an upgrade from the doppler Zhuk-ME to the AESA Zhuk-AE on the 46 MiG-29M/M2s but the war put that on hold.  So the radar for the Su-35 was a must on the contract which BTW, I was reading some posts here that people were a bit angry because Egypt seemed to cowardly back out of the deal after all 30 aircraft were built which surprised me that they didn't know that a major deposit was paid upfront on those aircraft specifically for that reason.  Not sure what the amount was, but I think all 30 aircraft were in the vicinity of $2.5 billion.  So at least 1/3 - 1/2 of that was already paid upfront.

    And small correction on the Algerian MiG-29SMT was that when they were due for overhauls of certain systems, they found Israeli electronic parts in them and that's when they took a fit and decided that was not part of the deal, hence the change.  They should've known better (the Algerians, that is) and that it shouldn't have been such a devastating surprise.
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    Post  AMCXXL Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:20 am

    We can see the Su 35 whose serial number ends in 10411 and the Su-35 whose serial numbers end in 08716 and 08615. So 2 series of planes in parallel???
    ALso can see the Su 35 whose serial number ends in 10409. Series 10.

    If each series has 20 airplanes, from 08615 to 10411, there are at least 37 Su-35 in the production chain rigth now

    https://twitter.com/La_souris_DA/status/1691338193352724480?s=20
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    https://twitter.com/La_souris_DA/status/1691335378324615168?s=20
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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:06 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:We can see the Su 35 whose serial number ends in 10411 and the Su-35 whose serial numbers end in 08716 and 08615. So 2 series of planes in parallel???

    If each series has 20 airplanes, from 08615 to 10411, there are at least 37 Su-35 in the production chain right now

    I'm guessing those are all slated for the VVS, right? Same as these ones that were seen under production during Kim's recent visit?

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    Also is there anything concrete about a deal for Iran for the ex-Egyptian Su-35s?
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    Post  Hole Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:11 pm

    Iran received some Yak-130s to train her pilots. So...  dunno
    Maybe next year?

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    Post  Gomig-21 Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:00 pm

    Hole wrote:Iran received some Yak-130s to train her pilots. So...  dunno
    Maybe next year?

    It seems like something is in store with that Yak-130 delivery. I hope it materializes and they do get them.

    I've been wondering where the heck they are. Stored in some underground shelter or in hangars? They're hidden from prying eyes for sure.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Thu Sep 21, 2023 3:24 pm

    Just when I posted yesterday wondering where they might be or end up, this shows up in another setting.

    Thanks to my friend @mack8 who found this X post showing the Egyptian Su-35s during Kim Jong Un's visit last week displayed in storage wrapping at KNAAPO while still retaining their EAF serial numbers.  Quite the coincidence.

    The translation of the post is as follows:

    If North Korea were to acquire a new aircraft, I think the candidate would be the Su-35.



    Wouldn't be so bad if they ended up in NK either. I'd rather see Iran get them but North Korea will be just fine too.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:17 am

    Why either or... Su-35s for everyone.... What a Face

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    Post  AMCXXL Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:37 pm

    Hole wrote:Iran received some Yak-130s to train her pilots. So...  dunno
    Maybe next year?

    There are 28 finished Su-35 waiting for owner

    DPRK need MiG-29SMT or new MiG-35, but Su-35 seems too much for little Korea peninsula

    Russia also need a lot of Su-35 squadrons, long time announced for Millerovo, Kaliningrad, etc... even Yelizovo and probably also Monchegorsk for complement of MiG-31BM as in Khotilovo and Vladivostok

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    Post  Hole Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:53 pm

    Pilots for those Su-35s don´t fall from the sky ( Wink). Should Iran get them they need to train pilots first.

    Korea isn´t that small. Maybe a combination of some Su-30SMs and a few S-400 units would fit the situation there better.
    NK isn´t short of attack assets.

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:04 pm

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    Post  mack8 Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:19 am

    Bmpd article on today's delivery of Su-35S/Su-57. They seem to think there should be about 12 Su-35S delivered this year (8 already delivered including today's batch), and also 7-8 Su-57s (first delivery of the year being today)
    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4756536.html

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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 29, 2023 12:26 am

    Earlier this year, the Russian Aerospace Forces already received two batches of Su-35S fighters newly built by KnAAZ - the first on June 23 and the second on July 13. The number of Su-35S and Su-57 fighters transferred to the Russian Ministry of Defense in all batches of this year is not reported, and the side and registration numbers of the Su-35S aircraft in the video and photographic materials officially distributed by the UAC are retouched, although it can be recognized that the side numbers of the Su-35S aircraft of the first two batches were blue.

    In the previous year 2022, the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin transferred seven Su-35S fighters to the Russian Aerospace Forces - three in September and four in December.

    Presumably, the Su-35S fighters now transferred were manufactured within the framework of the fourth contract concluded by the UAC in 2021 for the supply of Su-35S aircraft to the Russian Ministry of Defense. It is possible that this contract includes 24 aircraft with delivery until 2024. Presumably, the first four fighters under this contract were delivered to the Aerospace Forces in December 2022 and apparently had blue tail numbers “04”, “05”, “06” and “07”. Presumably, in 2023, up to 12 Su-35S aircraft will be delivered under this contract, of which a total of eight units have been delivered to date.

    Previously, under three previous contracts of 2009, 2015 and 2020, the Russian Aerospace Forces received 104 production Su-35S aircraft from 2012 to 2022, and taking into account the four aircraft delivered under the new contract in December 2022, by the beginning of 2023 the Aerospace Forces received 108 production aircraft Su-35S.


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4756536.html

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    Post  George1 Sat Sep 30, 2023 1:30 am

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t4804p825-su-35s-news#290972

    2 contracts (or 1 broken in 2) of Su-35S in 2020 are visible in the table:
    6 (3 in 2021 and 3 in 2022) +
    24 (4 in 2022, 12 in 2023, 8 in 2024)

    Until now we have

    -Dec 2021: 3 ("58", "59","60") https://www.russiadefence.net/t8561p75-su-35s-news-2#349040
    -Sep 2022: 3 (“01”, “02”, “03”) https://www.russiadefence.net/t8561p125-su-35s-news-2#395655

    -Dec 2022: 4  (“04”, “05”, “06”, “07”) https://www.russiadefence.net/t8561p175-su-35s-news-2#410022
    -Jun-Jul 2023: 4 https://www.russiadefence.net/t8561p225-su-35s-news-2#429935, https://www.russiadefence.net/t8561p225-su-35s-news-2#431858
    -Sep 2023: 4 (the last batch)

    Numbers for 2021 and 2022 (3+7) are in accordance also with the table in this post: https://www.russiadefence.net/t4806p800-russian-air-force-numbers-and-procurement-plans#414367

    so we expect 4 more Su-35Ss this year

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    Post  Gomig-21 Yesterday at 5:08 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:


    Any idea what is being blurred out on the side of the fuselage right next to or below the glass canopy edge?  You can see it at the very start of the clip; a blur to cover something up.  I'm just curious as to what could be so secret to then have the need to blur it out from spying eyes.  It's on both sides of the fuselage so location is also interesting.  You can also see it on the portside @0:45.  

    Wondering if it's the serial number so that enemies don't figure out the actual count or what squadron it's going to?  Or could it be the name of the pilot?  I don't think I've ever seen any Russian fighters dawn the pilot's name and silly call sign like the US and some others do.  So I doubt it's that and I know it's not super important, just a curiosity factor on my part since the stills from the website @mack8 linked show the same aircraft without the blurring and there doesn't seem to be anything there!?

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    Nothing there?!

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    Post  ALAMO Yesterday at 5:10 pm

    Plane number.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Yesterday at 5:19 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Plane number.

    Is that OPSEC to keep IOC numbers unknown?

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    Post  ALAMO Yesterday at 5:24 pm

    Back in the Soviet times misleading numbers were just a part of a game.
    Now, as the number of planes is much smaller, one must pay more attention to that.
    A number of accepted for duty hardware is not revealed since the beginning of war.

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    Post  joker88 Yesterday at 5:28 pm

    Gomig-21 wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    Well the problem is that politicians have business interests, and also financial backers who also have business interests and of course for big business in Egypt the big players also have business interests and many of those interests will include connections and ties with the US and other economies that they can influence.

    Your politicians might dearly love to cut ties with the US because they are toxic... but when a puppet has its strings cut the first thing it does is it falls to the floor in a heap.

    Someone on the internet might see that as a necessary step to becoming a real boy, but it is not so great for the people who fall to the ground... even with the promise they can stand on their own two feet in some future date.

    The Ukraine and the UK both made the same mistake... they ignored their market and their main customers... in the case of the Ukraine they thought the west would replace the Russians as their main customers, but the west has their own engines and aircraft and they didn't want more competition, and the UK ignored or didn't think about the fact that the European market is their main market to trade.

    If and when Egypt joins BRICS and starts increasing trade with non western countries then their ability to be independent will increase, but for a politician to make decisions that will lead to serious economic damage is political suicide, and if you haven't noticed these days most don't have the honour or integrity to fall on their swords when they have been caught.

    You're absolutely right.  Sisi is an interesting individual and never shows his displeasure, even when he gets insulted by the media to the whole world like he did on 60 minutes when he got clobbered for the deaths in Tahrir Square and started sweating profusely!  It was the most embarrassing moments of his presidency and what did he do?  He asked his staff to "please ask the producer not to air that part" lol.  Of course they aired it and made a huge stink about it as if he was totally guilty of the deaths/murders.

    The other time was when that dufous Trump called him his "favorite dictator" LMFAO!  He took that one with a completely easy stride and laughed it off.

    But behind closed doors, everyone knows he is not to be messed with except those he is powerless against such as the US.  Even Biden said "no more freebies for Trump's favorite dictator" during his campaign and what did Sisi do?  Nothing!  As a matter of fact, he shook Biden's hand when they met for the first time in Saudi Arabia and said some polite greeting and that was the end of that.  Even the Crown Prince whom Biden blatantly accused of murdering Khashogshy barely shook Buden's hand and while ignoring him for most of the summit, he gave him the wicked stink-eye! lol

    Would we like to see Sisi be less of a puppet like you mentioned?  Hell yeah!  But all the reasons you mentioned for him not to be are exactly why he never will and will only choose the battles he can handily win.  Something tells me, though, he and his foreign minister could've put up a much better fight against CAATSA for the Su-35SEs than he did which is why we are most devastated about that.  They would've been the best fighters Egypt would've ever possessed and us fanboys would've been talking about them every single day!  Dammit!

    GarryB wrote:
    They will likely require modification for the VVS... much like the MiG-29SMT aircraft for Algeria needed changes too...

    What kind of modifications?  I do remember that the EAF had requested the AESA radar that is on the Su-57 along with the complimentary ones on the leading-edge flaps & wing tips.  The reason for that was because they were promised an upgrade from the doppler Zhuk-ME to the AESA Zhuk-AE on the 46 MiG-29M/M2s but the war put that on hold.  So the radar for the Su-35 was a must on the contract which BTW, I was reading some posts here that people were a bit angry because Egypt seemed to cowardly back out of the deal after all 30 aircraft were built which surprised me that they didn't know that a major deposit was paid upfront on those aircraft specifically for that reason.  Not sure what the amount was, but I think all 30 aircraft were in the vicinity of $2.5 billion.  So at least 1/3 - 1/2 of that was already paid upfront.

    And small correction on the Algerian MiG-29SMT was that when they were due for overhauls of certain systems, they found Israeli electronic parts in them and that's when they took a fit and decided that was not part of the deal, hence the change.  They should've known better (the Algerians, that is) and that it shouldn't have been such a devastating surprise.
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    The Egyptian deal is still there
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    Post  GarryB Today at 2:31 am

    Do not blame your failure here on the Egyptian case
    The Egyptian deal is still there

    There has been no official statement regarding the cancellation of the purchase, but pressure from the US is intense so I rather think the deal is not cancelled simply because if they did cancel it they would say so because that would get the US off their back even if it would disappoint the Russians I am pretty sure the Russians understand the position Egypt is in.

    The US are nasty vindictive bastards so you need to be very careful when you go up against them because they have lots of strings to pull and lots of allies who are your enemies that can do nasty things too.

    They have no morals or ethics and will happily block your access to medicine or food or a range of other things and watch your cancer patients die or your children die.

    Madeline Allbright was interviewed about the 600K Iraqi children that died because of US sanctions and she just brushed it off as a necessary thing to ensure continued US access to Iraqi oil.

    This is the sort of scum Egypt and the world is dealing with.

    It is not like any one else in the US jumped up and down and said that was terrible... no major politician gave a crap.

    They are all bastards.

    But it is important to keep your head down and avoid the attention of such bastards so they may have put delivery on hold for a period and later when something else is upsetting the US they can get delivery of their new aircraft.

    Do not talk about things in which you are insulted

    It is people who don't say they are annoyed at the horrible double standard from the US... free market.... democracy all that bullshit they talk about being important and completely ignore or openly break the rules of in their own international dealings, that are enabling them to simply continue doing so.

    Something new is happening though... countries in Africa and Asia are calling the west out for their bullshit and turning to Russia and China and BRICS for an alternative that can supply the technology they need and the skills they need and the money and support and development their countries need to grow and develop and get to where many western countries have been for such a long time on the theft from the rest of the world.

    Africa doesn't want to become a colonial power and a thief... they want a comfortable living and lifestyle by earning it through honest labour and fair prices for their products and raw materials.

    I see that you cry a lot. Is this because of your difficult situation? I pity you

    That is just rude.

    Unlike some who do cry a lot here, when an Orc attack is successful... or just appears to be successful... they demand this person and that person be fired because obviously they should be able to anticipate anything their enemy might be doing against any and every Russian target... those people deserve a bit of a slap because they are hysterical children who don't seem to understand the real world.

    Gomig-21 on the other hand was excited by Egypt getting Su-35s and all the delays and talk of US sanctions and CAASTA has led him to think it is not going to happen... well I can't say categorically that he is wrong... can you?

    But even if it was cancelled then it is only a matter of time before they do order aircraft because it would be silly thinking America will sell them decent aircraft any time soon or even at a reasonable price. US aircraft and weapons are extortion. A protection racket where the actual protection is a promise... you can bet Kiev thought the US would come roaring in to save them or at least fast track them into HATO to protect them from the Russians, but after spending the better part of a decade goading Kiev to poke the bear, a year and a half ago the bear responded and the US and HATO have not helped at all. In fact their ammo and weapon and money deliveries have only prolonged the attack and made the damage the Bear is causing rather a lot worse that it would have been.


    And small correction on the Algerian MiG-29SMT was that when they were due for overhauls of certain systems, they found Israeli electronic parts in them and that's when they took a fit and decided that was not part of the deal, hence the change. They should've known better (the Algerians, that is) and that it shouldn't have been such a devastating surprise.

    That is interesting... the story I read was that they claimed they were expecting brand new build fuselages, but the airframes they got had been sitting in a factory for a while... they hadn't been used, but were not brand new production... which I thought was rather petty.

    Of course the real reason they rejected them was because Sukhoi offered to sell to them Su-30s for the same purchase price, so any technical reason to reject the MiGs had to be found...

    Ironic because the MiG-29SMT was supposed to be cheaper to operate than the larger Flanker family, so you could operate larger numbers of them without it costing too much... over the life of a military aircraft like a fighter you are probably looking at doubling or tripling the purchase price in terms of operational costs and of course upgrades and improvements which can include new radar and engines etc etc etc, so the Su-30 will be rather more expensive to own than the MiG.

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