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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:41 am

    Famous photo of the Su-35S cockpit
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    Post  Finty Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:38 am

    Surprised it’s not duck egg blue inside like pretty much every other Russian fighter!

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    Post  Gomig-21 Thu Oct 07, 2021 10:25 pm

    New released pic of Su-35SE. Hopefully soon they'll start showing them in with Egyptian insignia. Not sure what the delay is.

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    Post  Finty Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:45 am

    Finty wrote:Surprised it’s not duck egg blue inside like pretty much every other Russian fighter!

    Not sure why I said this as I’ve looked at the photo again and sure enough it is that calming share of blue.

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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:04 am

    Finty wrote:
    Finty wrote:Surprised it’s not duck egg blue inside like pretty much every other Russian fighter!

    Not sure why I said this as I’ve looked at the photo again and sure enough it is that calming share of blue.

    The screens are taking all the pmace anyway. You can't see that blue paint anymore.

    It was used because they said it was a calming color. Ironically now they tend to take out the blue color on screens to rest eyes.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:33 am

    Not really.

    The colour they used reflected light in low light conditions making it easier to see in more light situations.

    Having a black background made the cockpit darker and harder to see, while white would dazzle too much with direct sunlight and make things harder to see too.

    Think of it as text on a page... white or light coloured page and dark text is easier to read.

    Dark licence plates with white numbers and letters are not as easy to read as white licence plate and dark letters and numbers.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:40 am

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:Famous photo of the Su-35S cockpit
    Su-35S: News #2 - Page 4 Ldikk210

    You can really tell how they improved the pilot's duties when you look at this cockpit.  From what I read, eliminating the rear pilot in the Su-30 series and producing the Su-35S with only one pilot because the majority of previous systems the rear pilot was tasked with have been automated, thus eliminating the need for 2 seats.  Not only that, but you look at the instrumentations and typically there is A LOT more buttons and toggle switches on the right and left side panels there, not to mention the front main panel.  In this case, you can really see the reduction of all those additional switches that used to be in the Su-30 series aircrafts with 2 seats.  

    A huge leap in cockpit ergonomics as well as pilot tasks reductions to ease his/her duties and tasks.  At first, you would think that most countries that operate the Su-30 would be ordering this fighter jet because of such great improvements besides China and Egypt -- the latter not even having operated any of the Su-27/30 -- but thanks to the US and its silly CAATSA along with its clear intention to monopolize and control the world market with the F-35 as well as deny some of those countries that same aircraft hence possessing control of them at the same time is a disgrace.  Really pisses me off and the perfect example of that attempt is Egypt.

    During that donkey Trump's tenure and Egypt being denied the F-35 (which they knew would happen anyway and just made the request as simply a formality) prompted Pompeo to tell the Egyptian Armed Forces and specifically the EAF not to purchase the great Su-35S or they would be forced to enact CAATSA and they offered the F-15 instead.  This after the F-15 request by Egypt TWICE were both denied for obvious reasons.  Now they offered most likely a super watered down version to appease the EAF and in return, the EAF gave the US a big fat middle finger at the same time, telling Pompeo that the Su-35S is a FAR SUPERIOR aircraft than the F-15 and that they would go ahead with the purchase of the Russian aircraft.  So happy they stood their ground on this and I think the US will cave in and not impose CAATSA on Egypt, for many reasons.

    But, all of that has probably been the reason for this aircraft receiving less export requests than it would otherwise have had, unfortunately.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:29 am


    But, all of that has probably been the reason for this aircraft receiving less export requests than it would otherwise have had, unfortunately.

    I agree, though for many customers F-15s and Su-35s are big expensive fighters that rich countries operate that are a little too expensive for normal patrol and other operations that don't require 3,000km+ flight ranges.

    Also, at the end of the day when you use force to bully others into doing what suits you and does not suit them... eventually they realise it is not in their interests to deal with the bully any more. Russia is not going to say to Egypt that you can't have Rafales and can only buy Russian planes.

    It was US sanctions and abuses of its US dollar monopoly that forced Russia and a lot of other countries to sell their holdings of US debt and to stop trading in US dollars... which actually hurts the US more than anything Russia might have chosen to do if the US had done nothing.

    The US is using its power and influence to try to isolate and squash Russia.... and Egypt... and Iran... and China and North Korea and Cuba and Venezuela and Iraq and Syria etc etc etc... and in the long term what they are doing is forcing those countries and many others to look for alternatives to the US as a trading partner...

    I honestly think Turkey and Egypt are better off without F-35s.... the AH-64 got a reputation as a hangar queen.... but facts are facts... the Apache is a good attack helicopter that does a good job when used sensibly and correctly... the F-35 isn't ready yet.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:Also, at the end of the day when you use force to bully others into doing what suits you and does not suit them... eventually they realise it is not in their interests to deal with the bully any more. Russia is not going to say to Egypt that you can't have Rafales and can only buy Russian planes.

    Although it would be friggin GREAT if Russia started making its own sanctions of countries buying the F-35 or any US aircraft. Too bad it doesn't have that kind of power, at least I don't think it does to effectively sanction oh let's say for example countries like Qatar. Or Norway, or Sweden or even the UK! Man would I love to see that. Counter the US for frigs sake!

    GarryB wrote:It was US sanctions and abuses of its US dollar monopoly that forced Russia and a lot of other countries to sell their holdings of US debt and to stop trading in US dollars... which actually hurts the US more than anything Russia might have chosen to do if the US had done nothing.

    It needs to do more. CAATSA has the first acronym for "countering," well, that is EXACTLY what Russia needs to do.

    GarryB wrote:I honestly think Turkey and Egypt are better off without F-35s.... the AH-64 got a reputation as a hangar queen.... but facts are facts... the Apache is a good attack helicopter that does a good job when used sensibly and correctly... the F-35 isn't ready yet.

    Well, as you probably know, most of us Egyptians don't give a rats ass about the mongolian turkeys and only hope that whatever happens, favors Russia mostly. But the turkeys, couldn't care less and it's super fun watching them go into despair with their air force and military in general. The head donkey there is a moron and a half who started the war of words by insulting the great General and President Sisi to favor the Islamic fundamentalists Muslim Brotherhood so that he can control them and Egypt. Instead, he got a big F you lool and then he started the war of words which has led to much more and now they want to be friends. Hopefully the middle finger only gets longer lmfao! Anyway, I digress!

    Back to the terrific Su-35S that I hope Russia pushes its help for Egypt against the US so that we can induct them sooner than later. Hopefully this leads to more orders by the EAF for another 30+ as well as another 50+ MiG-35s etc. and get on that gaddam waiting list for the Su-57. With Algeria supposedly ordering 20 (not sure of the veracity of that rumor or news) and the RuAF ordering 70 or 79, and the engine delay and other testing left and production status unknown etc., Egypt needs to DEFINITELY get in line NOW before it gets pushed to the back and has to wait till 2035! Not good, need them MUCH SOONER.

    Nice shot of this handsome beast!

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    Post  GarryB Sat Oct 23, 2021 1:38 am

    Although it would be friggin GREAT if Russia started making its own sanctions of countries buying the F-35 or any US aircraft. Too bad it doesn't have that kind of power, at least I don't think it does to effectively sanction oh let's say for example countries like Qatar. Or Norway, or Sweden or even the UK! Man would I love to see that. Counter the US for frigs sake!

    If an individual person acted the same way the US and EU act they would not be the sort of person I would want as a friend.

    For Russia to adopt the same BS would make Russia as wrong as they are... I am glad they don't demand exclusive sales rights to their customers, which is essentially what western countries demand.

    Imagine the effect on the Ukrainian economy if they could still openly trade with Russia and supply them with engines and aircraft etc etc... in fact if you restored OK relations with the Russians their economy would immediately pick up, but the US and EU wont allow that because they want to punish Russia.... ironically by crushing the Ukraine.

    Same with Turkey... the US has a tantrum and refuses to deliver F-35s that Turkey paid for... refuses to return their money and no doubt will offer no compensation for their loss of work because they were making components for F-35s too which is work and money they have also lost... and all because they bought S-400 air defence systems from Russia... they asked to buy Patriot and THAAD but were refused... plus S-400 is a much better system that is actually cheaper anyway...

    Sounds like Turkey dodged a bullet to me... the F-35 is a dog.

    It needs to do more. CAATSA has the first acronym for "countering," well, that is EXACTLY what Russia needs to do.

    They need to expand their cooperation and trade opportunities.

    US trade sanctions only work if there are things they get from the US they can get no where else... unfortunately for Russia what essentially is happening is that the US is basically threatening countries that they will deny them access to the US market or the international market they control if they buy Russia... well the obvious response to that is for Russia to offer alternatives to everything the US would cut off.

    With countries like Cuba and Venezuela and Iran and lots of others where the US is not really an open market anyway then the threats don't work.... and of course the reverse is true with countries deep in the US camp and happy to be there wont be bothered by Russian retaliation either, but the best revenge Russia can get is to cut out the EU middle men they use to trade with the rest of the world and start trading directly with rest of the world so the EU or US can't make demands or just get a cut of any trade like they do when trade is done in US dollars.

    Again, I don't think Russia should act like the US... it makes them no better.


    Well, as you probably know, most of us Egyptians don't give a rats ass about the mongolian turkeys and only hope that whatever happens, favors Russia mostly. But the turkeys, couldn't care less and it's super fun watching them go into despair with their air force and military in general. The head donkey there is a moron and a half who started the war of words by insulting the great General and President Sisi to favor the Islamic fundamentalists Muslim Brotherhood so that he can control them and Egypt. Instead, he got a big F you lool and then he started the war of words which has led to much more and now they want to be friends. Hopefully the middle finger only gets longer lmfao! Anyway, I digress!

    Do you really want one dickhead to effect relations between your countries?

    You don't need to fall in love or anything, but good relations and no arms race means you can focus on real problems instead of made up problems that the west loves everyone else to focus on.

    The west uses enemies to motivate their nations and to fool their general public into allowing infrastructure being neglected and tax dollars wasted... when you are at war then your priorities are focussed and narrow... when you are at peace then you need to increase living standards and improve the situation for the majority of the population... during war time the owners of the munitions plants make money and everyone else tightens their belts... and Americans wonder where their middle class has gone...


    Back to the terrific Su-35S that I hope Russia pushes its help for Egypt against the US so that we can induct them sooner than later. Hopefully this leads to more orders by the EAF for another 30+ as well as another 50+ MiG-35s etc. and get on that gaddam waiting list for the Su-57. With Algeria supposedly ordering 20 (not sure of the veracity of that rumor or news) and the RuAF ordering 70 or 79, and the engine delay and other testing left and production status unknown etc., Egypt needs to DEFINITELY get in line NOW before it gets pushed to the back and has to wait till 2035! Not good, need them MUCH SOONER.

    We really don't know which engine the export Su-57s will have... they might decide not to export the new engine as it is state of the art and they may not want to share just yet. The current model Su-57s appear smaller and lighter than Flankers with the highest power engine used in Flankers now, and with internal weapons with low drag it should already be a real beast... the new engine was always intended as a mid life upgrade a few years down the track when the aircraft inevitably increased in weight.

    Getting MiG-35s into service would be excellent for the brand and for maturing the AESA radar technology so it can be deployed more widely too.

    Hopefully the lower operating costs of the MiG will mean good sortie rates and make it useful for patrol duties....

    I would say the export Su-57s should have their own production line, so production for Russia should not effect production for exports, but it all depends on what the customer negotiates I suppose.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Oct 23, 2021 7:13 am

    GarryB wrote:
    US trade sanctions only work if there are things they get from the US they can get no where else... unfortunately for Russia what essentially is happening is that the US is basically threatening countries that they will deny them access to the US market or the international market they control if they buy Russia... well the obvious response to that is for Russia to offer alternatives to everything the US would cut off.

    Not quite that simple Garry. The US's prime method of sanctioning is via the financial system due to the US$ being the World's reserve currency.

    Any product, whether the US is the sole supplier or not, that needs US$ at any point in the supply chain is stoppable. But better than that, much better, is that as the US sees the flows through SWIFT it can sanction any organisation enabling a transaction which can include exclusion from the US market.

    Hence we get Iran trading in gold via Turkey and in non US currency wherever possible, like with China's oil for infrastructure deals.

    In the case of Russia there has to be a two way trade, either barter or in a non US$ currency acceptable to both parties. Due to this Russia supplying everything may not be feasible.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:25 am

    The US are printing more money now than they have ever printed in their entire existence previously... and they are not spending less... they are increasing spending on most things... but ironically if their new infrastructure spending is as corrupt and useless as their MIC has become most of that money will filter to big pockets that are already full and the workers might get minimum wage... unless they can get migrant workers to do it cheaper... and the work itself will be substandard because they will be cutting every corner they possibly can.

    With more and more countries having to stop using the US dollar then the countries they trade with will have to start using alternative currencies... what happens when all that titanium Boeing is buying from the Russians for making their new civilian and military aircraft has to be paid in Euros or rubles?

    As the US dollar is used less and less as the international trade currency its value will drop which means they will need to print rather more dollars to just get the same resources from the world... many places of course not accepting the dollars and demanding something else.

    They are destroying confidence in their own dollar and forcing countries to use alternative options for international trade, which as you point out, saves them money because the US charges for changing money, and gives them lots of information about trade deals happening all over the world... even secret deals...

    But actually their primary method of sanctions is to target individuals and companies and countries... much like they with NSII... work on the deal and you cannot get any work in the US market... the huge lucrative US Market... Such threats don't work on Russian companies banned from the US Market like Group Kalashnikov, but a lot of other companies have subsidiaries... which is part of the problem Rogozin is complaining about... a chemical company the US claims has something to do with making novachok also makes rocket fuels and equipment for their space industry and military.

    The really amusing thing is that following this track the US is going to rapidly run out of export customers for the F-35... in five years time they might be begging Turkey to buy some... even Israel seems to have reverted to using F-16s in Syria... clearly the F-35 is too expensive and not as much better as the US likes to claim...

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    Post  marcellogo Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:59 pm

    Let's say that I see them (at state level, LM is another matter) much more worried to fullfill their own orders than to found new customers.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:00 am

    What they need is for the US government to appoint someone to go through that shit who knows what they are doing to fix it...

    They needed someone like Pierre Sprey of the old fighter mafia that created the F-16 and F-18 types to cut right down on the F-35 programme and fix it.

    The person appointed needs to be given the power to make fundamental changes to everything in regard to the entire programme... including making production and support and supply centralised and efficient, instead of bloated and cancel proof.

    I see on the wiki page that Pierre Sprey passed away in August... that is a shame... when it comes to fighter aircraft, he was a real expert...

    We had a member here with that username, but I assume it was a homage to the man rather than the real person...
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    Post  Finty Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:32 am

    Somehow I’d missed that news about him passing away, shame.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:46 pm

    A batch of Su-35S multipurpose fighters entered service with the Russian Aerospace Forces

    A batch of multipurpose super-maneuverable fighters Su-35S entered service with the Aerospace Forces (VKS) of Russia. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

    A batch of new fighters entered the Lipetsk State Center for the Training of Aviation Personnel and Military Tests. The fighters were received directly at the manufacturing plant,aviation service center, after which they were tested in the air. After signing the documents, the pilots of the center made a flight, covering the distance from Komsomolsk-on-Amur to Lipetsk.

    How many fighters are included in the party is not reported, one of the photos published by the military department shows three new Su-35s fighters with side numbers "58", "59" and "60" red. Thus, it can be stated that at least three aircraft have been delivered.

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    Post  Bob Bollusc Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:23 am

    How many are operational? I think they need at least 200 to fend off a potential Japanese threat in the east.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:24 am

    Bob Bollusc wrote:How many are operational? I think they need at least 200 to fend off a potential Japanese threat in the east.

    While it would be a dream to have that many, a lot of AD has been moved to Kuril Islands to safeguard Russian airspace. They also have Su-30's and upgraded 27's to help fend off Japanese. I believe mostly the MoD is waiting on further upgrades of Su-30's and completion of Su-57 before making any major decisions.
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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 am

    5 are to be delivered in 2021, so we expect 2 more

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4448085.html

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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:37 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Bob Bollusc wrote:How many are operational? I think they need at least 200 to fend off a potential Japanese threat in the east.

    While it would be a dream to have that many, a lot of AD has been moved to Kuril Islands to safeguard Russian airspace. They also have Su-30's and upgraded 27's to help fend off Japanese.  I believe mostly the MoD is waiting on further upgrades of Su-30's and completion of Su-57 before making any major decisions.

    Not a dream, they already have 100 of them and have a production that can sustain 24 fighter per year.

    They have around 100 su-35 in service.

    Su-27 and upgraded su-27 are available in very low numbers.

    They have a little more su-30 than su-35. Something like 140 in service.

    Even india that pays 70 million per mki and almost 250 of them. Russia pays its SM less than 20 million and su-35 25 million. They can clearly buy more but they want AD instead.

    Checkmate will be a very good solution to increase numbers. In Syria they quickly learned that twin-engines are often over-kill and too expensive for most missions.

    What they also need is r-77M retrofited to su-35/30.

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    Post  Broski Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:25 pm

    The Russian MoD assessed the situation and decided that a few fighter jets and A2/AD systems was all that is needed to keep any Japanese forces in check. All things considered, even while living under the heel of the US, Japan isn't trying to pick a fight with Russia like the Ukraine is and hasn't since the end of WW2. If at any point Russia feels threatened enough to build 100-200 more Su-35's then they will, simple as that.

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    Post  Shadåw Tue Dec 14, 2021 4:58 pm

    Since the Su-35 has been in production since 2014 and first flight in 2008, I've wondered why there aren't other derivatives or upgrades as the production kept on-going using more composites. And a AESA Radar instead of an PESA this in combination with the retro-fitting of the R-77M would make it very, very potent. Instead they've kept producing the same production model there's no new things to it's batches?
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    Post  franco Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:12 pm

    George1 wrote:5 are to be delivered in 2021, so we expect 2 more

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4448085.html

    And 2 have been written off or lost, so these 3 will make 99 active aircraft.

    "Earlier, under the two previous contracts of 2009 and 2015, the Russian Aerospace Forces received 98 production Su-35S aircraft from 2012 to 2020, two of which have now been written off or lost."

    "These are the first Su-35S fighters received by the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2021, and, apparently, the first aircraft built as part of the new contract with the UAC for the supply of 30 Su-35S fighters signed by the Russian Ministry of Defense on August 25, 2020 during the Army 2020 International Military-Technical Forum. According to available data, in 2021 KnAAZ is to deliver the first five Su-35S under this contract, and the remaining 25 aircraft - in 2022-2024."

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    Post  George1 Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:13 pm

    franco wrote:
    George1 wrote:5 are to be delivered in 2021, so we expect 2 more

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4448085.html

    And 2 have been written off or lost, so these 3 will make 99 active aircraft.


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