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    Su-35S: News #2

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:09 am

    franco wrote:Looks like a model of the planned production floor.



    And it is, after all. However, a video link was published from "Russia 1" and it says that the production line for the Su-57 is in progress, which, I quote him, "would roll off the production line at least 30 Su-57 per year". The statement was made by Denis Garifulin who is the head of the production line.

    https://t.me/CyberspecNews/9075

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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:03 am

    Well you have the production number that were shared. I think one year they delivered 24.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:46 am

    Isos wrote:Well you have the production number that were shared. I think one year they delivered 24.


    ISOS, the video link I'm writing about talks about the new production line, and the new production line also increases the production capacity. In the video link, that Dennis specifically talks about Su-57 planes.

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    Post  Isos Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:20 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Well you have the production number that were shared. I think one year they delivered 24.


    ISOS, the video link I'm writing about talks about the new production line, and the new production line also increases the production capacity. In the video link, that Dennis specifically talks about Su-57 planes.


    Who cares ? They have only 30 su-35 on order right now and 76 su-57 until 2027.

    Your production can sustain 1000 aircraft per year, if the orders aren't big it will be money invested for no reason.

    Good thing is that they may get ride of su-30 production after its very bad results in Ukraine and focus on the su-57.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:19 am

    He can tell us what sort of capacity they can produce aircraft at, but it is no shock that he does not know how many they actually want to be made... and even if he did he could make such information public or he would lose his job and get put in prison.

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:20 am

    Komsomolsk na Amure - Dzyomgi
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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:14 am

    Egyptian su-35 still there, on the back of the picture.

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:04 am

    Isos wrote:Egyptian su-35 still there, on the back of the picture.

    I'm afraid those are no longer "Egyptian" Su-35s, will be next Iranian Su-35s

    probably all the alleged contracts for export to Indonesia, Egypt or Turkey will not be carried out, it is more likely it was just a trap to make the Americans uncomfortable and force them to pressure these countries, thus moving them further away from their orbit.
    All those Su-35s will end up in Iran, probably around 65

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 20, 2022 4:52 am

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Isos wrote:Egyptian su-35 still there, on the back of the picture.

    I'm afraid those are no longer "Egyptian" Su-35s, will be next Iranian Su-35s

    probably all the alleged contracts for export to Indonesia, Egypt or Turkey will not be carried out, it is more likely it was just a trap to make the Americans uncomfortable and force them to pressure these countries, thus moving them further away from their orbit.
    All those Su-35s will end up in Iran, probably around 65



    I agree with your opinion. Even last year, the BMPD wrote that 15 Egyptian Su-35s were finished and were located around the KNAAZ factory halls. I think that the priority of KNAAZ is to increase the production capacity of the Su-57 aircraft, which was also discussed recently and is being worked on. So already next year we can expect a much larger number of delivered Su-57s.
    According to some recent reports, at least 21 aircraft have been completed and are in front of the KNAAZ factory facilities.

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:07 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    I agree with your opinion. Even last year, the BMPD wrote that 15 Egyptian Su-35s were finished and were located around the KNAAZ factory halls. I think that the priority of KNAAZ is to increase the production capacity of the Su-57 aircraft, which was also discussed recently and is being worked on. So already next year we can expect a much larger number of delivered Su-57s.
    According to some recent reports, at least 21 aircraft have been completed and are in front of the KNAAZ factory facilities.


    There are other 2 or 3 Su-35 at Zhukovsjy in Moscow
    Probably the full batch of 24 supposedly for Egypt have been built, but will be send to Iran once iranian pilots are trained
    Iran need to replace F-14 and Su-35 is the best option for a country of big size as Iran

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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:06 am

    And their delivery will make the Americans mad.  Very Happy

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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 20, 2022 8:48 am

    AMCXXL wrote:Komsomolsk na Amure - Dzyomgi
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    can you put here the confirmed losses of Su-35s in SMO as you did with Su-34s?

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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:53 am

    George1 wrote:

    can you put here the confirmed losses of Su-35s in SMO as you did with Su-34s?

    I can't confirm the downing of any

    Aviation-Safety lists two as shot down but without degrees of truth

    The first on April 3 over Izium, but the image appears to be a Su-30SM because the wings, but it is not well appreciated when it is charred

    The second on July 19 over Nova Kakhovka, in the video you can see a Flanker falling very far away, it is impossible to see anything and it is only claimed by Ukrainian twitter accounts, however there is a photo of the same day of a charred Su-27 in which the coat of arms of Ukraine can be seen, so I am inclined to think that it is a Ukrainian plane shot down by the Russians in the Kherson area

    I don't think the Su-35s operate low enough to be shot down by the Ukrainians, unlike the Su-34 which is attacking fortifications with large bombs and flying very low exposing to Manpads and other AA misiles.


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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:05 pm

    One was shot down by friendly fire, if I remember correctly. One day after a Su-34 was downed by friendly fire. In August?

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:11 pm

    Iranian contracts for those su-35 is just speculation.

    Israeli aren't sending weapons to Ukraine o ly because Russia agreed with them behind the doors that they keep their hands of each other's conflicts.

    Israeli stays out of russian conflict in Ukraine. Israeli Def minister rejected Zelensky's call 5 times already.

    Russia stays out of Israeli conflict with Iran. Thry have never stoped or tried to stop israeli attacks on iranian targets in Syria. They only intercept and don't allow them when they attack SAA.

    So Iran won't get those su-35 as long as Ukrainian war isn't over.
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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:26 pm

    Isos wrote:Iranian contracts for those su-35 is just speculation.


    So Iran won't get those su-35 as long as Ukrainian war isn't over.

    Surovikin is already taking care of the ukrainians so soon the Su-35 will go to Iran and S-400 too

    Hole wrote:One was shot down by friendly fire, if I remember correctly. One day after a Su-34 was downed by friendly fire. In August?

    Is the second case, in july, and as I said no evidence with the video, only ukrainian claim, other photo of the same day looks an ukranian Su-27

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 20, 2022 12:35 pm

    But as long as the war is going Iran will receive nothing. Russian don't want israeli missiles or drones in the hands of ukrainians.

    Su-35 downed :

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:08 pm

    Isos wrote:But as long as the war is going Iran will receive nothing. Russian don't want israeli missiles or drones in the hands of ukrainians.

    Su-35 downed :

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    Ain't that an old pic?
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:16 pm

    Isos wrote:But as long as the war is going Iran will receive nothing. Russian don't want israeli missiles or drones in the hands of ukrainians.

    Su-35 downed :

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    If the plane had been shot down, it would definitely not have fallen vertically down and would not have preserved its integrity until it hit the ground.
    What is in the photo is very much like a photomontage. I'm sorry, but I can't believe that a twenty-ton car could have fallen into a plowed field without leaving significant traces in the form of an impact crater.
    Can I see a video, not a photo?

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:41 pm

    It's in Ukraine. No video that I heard of.

    Plenty of other pictures, just google "su-35 downed ukraine".

    It can fall vertically if destroyed in the air. That doesn't mean anything. Most of the time the plane after being hit doesn't just explode but keep flying and loosing altitude. Specially if flying low, no time to fall vertically.
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    Post  AMCXXL Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:48 pm

    also Nº06
    https://russianplanes.net/id308928
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    Post  limb Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:01 pm

    Isos wrote:It's in Ukraine. No video that I heard of.

    Plenty of other pictures, just google "su-35 downed ukraine".

    It can fall vertically if destroyed in the air. That doesn't mean anything. Most of the time the plane after being hit doesn't just explode but keep flying and loosing altitude. Specially if flying low, no time to fall vertically.

    If it hit the ground vertically it wouldn't just be squished but intact, it would desintegrate and for an impact crater. Even helicopters that crash at much lower speeds desintegrate and explod, making them unidentifiable from a afar.

    If it crashed from an oblique angle, we would see significant skid marks on the ground but there are none. Plus, the aircraft would still desintegrate.

    The only possible explanation for the wreck having the form of the aircraft intact is if it fell in a flat spin with an extremely low impact velocity. Thus it remains plausible that an actual Su-35 crashed, but less certain when you think about it.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:29 am

    That plane has not crashed... the look of being squished is from the metal structure melting in a fire... this plane looks like it was burned in place...

    The lack of parts broken off is strange... if it was high it would hit at speed and if it was low then you would also expect it to be flying at high speed too, but the biggest problem is the name in the bottom left corner... wouldn't believe Rueters about anything.

    I'm afraid those are no longer "Egyptian" Su-35s, will be next Iranian Su-35s

    probably all the alleged contracts for export to Indonesia, Egypt or Turkey will not be carried out, it is more likely it was just a trap to make the Americans uncomfortable and force them to pressure these countries, thus moving them further away from their orbit.
    All those Su-35s will end up in Iran, probably around 65

    Interesting idea, but if you are right, then the point of this is to create conflict with these countries and the US but their plan works best when these countries reject Russian planes because of US pressure because Russia can then say well if we can't sell to these countries then we will have to sell to countries you really don't want us to sell to like Iran and North Korea and Cuba etc... ie when they spring the trap and they send these planes to Iran instead is the goal then to get the US to give up on CAASTA or whatever it is called?

    I mean they can build planes for Egypt and Turkey and Indonesia too, and then when the US escalates too far in the Ukraine or some international incident like terrorism, they can supply them to Iran as well... if Israel gets shitty then they can sell Su-35s to Syria... with Russian pilots perhaps.

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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:35 am

    It didn't grow on ukrainian soil and burned. Of course it was lost in the air and very likely it was downed.

    Su-35 is highly reliable like shown in Syria where they operated for years.

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    Post  walle83 Sun Oct 23, 2022 3:46 pm

    GarryB wrote:That plane has not crashed... the look of being squished is from the metal structure melting in a fire... this plane looks like it was burned in place....

    Yes some one drag the aircraft out in a middle of a field and left it there. Rolling Eyes Or maybe it used its thrust vectoring and landed like a helo.

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