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    Post  Isos on Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:16 pm

    We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.

    France will not accept a nuclear armed iran. Never.

    What are you smocking ? Kadhafi was killed because he was trying to create a unified african money in order to not depend on dollar anymore. That was Clinton's rich friends work. It was proven by wikileaks.

    Sarkozy took the opportunity to kill him because he knew too much about his illegal businesses.

    Iran deals with israeli sabotages and spies everyday. France has nothing like israeli or US netwlrk in Iran.

    Kadhafi was rulling alone in a shithole country. Iran is full of Ayatollas. Kill one and another one come at power. But then it would be the french president that would be in danger. It's very easy for iranian to target top officials of any country too.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:17 pm


    Just a heads up, Optimus Trump will be using his Twitter account to notify the Congress of any further military response:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1213919480574812160

    These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!


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    Post  Aristide on Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:39 pm

    Isos wrote:
    We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.

    France will not accept a nuclear armed iran. Never.

    What are you smocking ? Kadhafi was killed because he was trying to create a unified african money in order to not depend on dollar anymore. That was Clinton's rich friends work. It was proven by wikileaks.

    Sarkozy took the opportunity to kill him because he knew too much about his illegal businesses.

    Iran deals with israeli sabotages and spies everyday. France has nothing like israeli or US netwlrk in Iran.

    Kadhafi was rulling alone in a shithole country. Iran is full of Ayatollas. Kill one and another one come at power. But then it would be the french president that would be in danger. It's very easy for iranian to target top officials of any country too.

    I see islam as enemy. I dont trust Iran.

    France has an enormous network in uran. Half their elite studies in paris. The only constant in iranuan history is paris exile. When shah ruled, ayatollah was in paris. When ayatollah came back, shah family went paris.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:42 pm

    Aristide wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Look...France does not agree with US actions against Iran. But we will NEVER accept a nuclear armed Iran.

    Iran is led by religious nuts. If you believe we allow Iran nuclear weapons, you must be crazy.

    France is a christian, catholic nation. Iran hates christians. Nothing would be safe.

    If anyone gave a fuck about what France think the iranian nuclear treaty would be still valid. Yet it's not.

    If iran really wanted the nuk, they would have had it today. Even the north korean with a pathetic industry have them.

    We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.

    France will not accept a nuclear armed iran. Never.

    You guys did shit against Khadhafi xD, you just rode our coattails.

    Trying to take credit for something you didn't do cute.

    Also short of trying to march into Iran and France would get their asses kicked, France will have no say about Iran having nukes.

    If France cared that much they should have kept their hands of the nuclear deal, which they really didn't and offered nothing but excuses.

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    Post  Aristide on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:06 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Aristide wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Look...France does not agree with US actions against Iran. But we will NEVER accept a nuclear armed Iran.

    Iran is led by religious nuts. If you believe we allow Iran nuclear weapons, you must be crazy.

    France is a christian, catholic nation. Iran hates christians. Nothing would be safe.

    If anyone gave a fuck about what France think the iranian nuclear treaty would be still valid. Yet it's not.

    If iran really wanted the nuk, they would have had it today. Even the north korean with a pathetic industry have them.

    We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.

    France will not accept a nuclear armed iran. Never.

    You guys did shit against Khadhafi xD, you just rode our coattails.

    Trying to take credit for something you didn't do cute.

    Also short of trying to march into Iran and France would get their asses kicked, France will have no say about Iran having nukes.

    If France cared that much they should have kept their hands of the nuclear deal, which they really didn't and offered nothing but excuses.


    Actually you are wrong. We wanted see Kadhafi dead. When he was arrested by libyan plebs it was a french agent who appeard and shot him in the head.

    You know when i was a kid, i actually saw Kadhafi. He was big friend with France and had a big event. They invited alot of french dignitaries. Kadhafi even ordered a cruise ship from France. Lots of business. My father was invited to this event and was allowed to bring me with him. I was like 12 or 13 years old, i think it was in 2010. It was in Tripoli and there were entire day shows and all that. Several luxury hotels were for french, british, italian and german guests. They had horse shows and military parade and all that. We stayed 4 days and i actually liked it.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:08 am

    Isos wrote:
    We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.


    What are you smocking ? Kadhafi was killed because he was trying to create a unified african money in order to not depend on dollar anymore. That was Clinton's rich friends work. It was proven by wikileaks.

    Sarkozy took the opportunity to kill him because he knew too much about his illegal businesses.

    Kadhafi was rulling alone in a shithole country.

    Libya was far from a shithole of a country unless you define shithole as a country that was the wealthiest on its continent with free to all education, free to all health system and virtually no personal taxes, with a dictator yes but so has most of Africa.

    As you say he, like Saddam, was trying to move towards an oil for Euro or gold system rather than US$. That got the US pissed off. But the real killer was that he wanted to use his oil reserves to free the pseudo independent ex French colonies from their headlock with the Bank of France. That Sarkozy could not allow. Hence the French demand for action.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:17 am


    Libya was far from a shithole of a country unless you define shithole as a country that was the wealthiest on its continent with free to all education, free to all health system and virtually no personal taxes, with a dictator yes but so has most of Africa.

    As you say he, like Saddam, was trying to move towards an oil for Euro or gold system rather than US$. That got the US pissed off. But the real killer was that he wanted to use his oil reserves to free the pseudo independent ex French colonies from their headlock with the Bank of France. That Sarkozy could not allow. Hence the French demand for action.

    The country itself had no growing potential. But it became a shithole the moment they start "revolution" or let westerners pay some of their cotizens to start a revolution. Then the country and the gov lose total credibility and you can kill the guy on power.

    That is true for most of countries that are considered by the west as dictatures but not for Russia, China and Iran. Those three countries have strong leaders supported by their people but also a government that is not made of stupid puppets so usual US regime change doesn't work there.

    In iran it is different. Contrary to what is told in MSM and what Aristide thinks there is not 1 guy at the top that you can just remove.

    At the end if Clinton didn't start the operation France would have nothing. But Kadhafi wasn't that powerfull to make french former colonies start something that big under his leadership and black africans hated him. Lybian oil isn't the most powerfull to sustain such system.
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:36 am

    Isos wrote:

    Libya was far from a shithole of a country unless you define shithole as a country that was the wealthiest on its continent with free to all education, free to all health system and virtually no personal taxes, with a dictator yes but so has most of Africa.

    As you say he, like Saddam, was trying to move towards an oil for Euro or gold system rather than US$. That got the US pissed off. But the real killer was that he wanted to use his oil reserves to free the pseudo independent ex French colonies from their headlock with the Bank of France. That Sarkozy could not allow. Hence the French demand for action.

    The country itself had no growing potential. But it became a shithole the moment they start "revolution" or let westerners pay some of their cotizens to start a revolution. Then the country and the gov lose total credibility and you can kill the guy on power.

    That is true for most of countries that are considered by the west as dictatures but not for Russia, China and Iran. Those three countries have strong leaders supported by their people but also a government that is not made of stupid puppets so usual US regime change doesn't work there.

    In iran it is different. Contrary to what is told in MSM and what Aristide thinks there is not 1 guy at the top that you can just remove.

    At the end if Clinton didn't start the operation France would have nothing. But Kadhafi wasn't that powerfull to make french former colonies start something that big under his leadership and black africans hated him. Lybian oil isn't the most powerfull to sustain such system.

    Libya was no shithole. Sure i was a kid when i visited and maybe only saw what they wanted us see but evrything was clean and good. Food was awesome.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:45 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.


    What are you smocking ? Kadhafi was killed because he was trying to create a unified african money in order to not depend on dollar anymore. That was Clinton's rich friends work. It was proven by wikileaks.

    Sarkozy took the opportunity to kill him because he knew too much about his illegal businesses.

    Kadhafi was rulling alone in a shithole country.  

    Libya was far from a shithole of a country unless you define shithole as a country that was the wealthiest on its continent with free to all education, free to all health system and virtually no personal taxes, with a dictator yes but so has most of Africa.

    As you say he, like Saddam, was trying to move towards an oil for Euro or gold system rather than US$. That got the US pissed off. But the real killer was that he wanted to use his oil reserves to free the pseudo independent ex French colonies from their headlock with the Bank of France. That Sarkozy could not allow. Hence the French demand for action.

    Correct Libya before the attacks.

    Free Education, Free Education in every university of the world, Free Medical care. In a lot of case no taxes

    If u marry, government buys u free apartment or pays u 64k$

    If u buy a car, gov pays for half of the price

    Gas cheaper than water gallon — 0,14 $

    Free electricity, housing, subsidized food and cars, paid living allowance if u study abroad, paid hospital bill if you get treatment outside the country.

    There were other perks that the gov would provide and even give you money for doing.

    Iso is displaying his ignorance and lack of understanding.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:48 am

    Well the obvious asymmetric response would be to kill Bolton or Pompeo...
    1 was outed & both r civilians. The top brass in the Central Command is a better target in all respects.
    Iran, not Libya, bombed the flight 007 in revenge after its A-300 was shot down in the Gulf by the USN. I expect it to be a well measured tit-for-tat: The USA started a war with the people of Iran and will feel the “essential reaction of Iran” https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2823290.html

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    Post  Regular on Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:55 am

    Maybe Libya wasn't bad country, but I can't say same about human garbage that lived there. I am not talking about city dwelers who I guess were OK, but about clansmen. Both sides acted like chimps, used mercinaries. Now they act like chimps after Gadafi. Arabs need iron fist to rule them.
    I rather live with few rubles in Belarusian countryside- than with greasy, sub 80 IQ, tribalistic, ultraviolent people, no matter how much money they have from their oil reserves.

    Libya didn't deserve Gadafi, they deserved something worse that could wipe entire disobedient clans off the map.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:29 am

    1 was outed & both r civilians.

    Why would either factor matter?

    The US used a drone as a tool of execution... for all we know they could have hit a school bus as well as the target they were after.

    Besides, ironically even the US would be better of with those two no longer breathing so it would be good for Iran and the US... and the world.

    The top brass in the Central Command is a better target in all respects.

    Bunch of inconsequential nobodies... they don't have final say... the whole murderbot system was set up by Obama and Clinton... perhaps they are the suitable targets?

    Iran, not Libya, bombed the flight 007 in revenge after its A-300 was shot down in the Gulf by the USN. I expect it to be a well measured tit-for-tat:

    But that is not very practical... the people who died pretty much had nothing to do with what the USN did, so it becomes just a meaningless act of terrorism...

    How about mounting an attack on New York... some container ship could be hired loaded to the top with the big 80 foot shipping containers, and the entire top layer... say 50-60 containers could be designed to have their tops open to allow long range cruise missiles of the types pictured above be launched automatically while the ship is in open international waters off the US coast... when it reaches a point off the coast of the US near new york it could launch 4-5 cruise missiles per container.... what is that... up to 300 missiles with conventional warheads attacking New York flying in at 10m altitude at 900km/h at night... they could target all sorts of things like the crysler building and a few other NY favourites... instead of HE they could fill them with anti trump and anti clinton pamphlets just to show the US how actually vulnerable it has become...  the butt hurt would be hilarious... America kills people in other countries... other countries are not supposed to be able to shoot back...

    Are there any Israeli or Saudi owned cargo ships that can take a shipping crate to New York harbour?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:02 am

    The US Customs/CG check all US bound containers before they leave foreign or enter US ports; a ship will need to stop somewhere to get CMs & it'll be detected & watched if/when it does so. Sometimes the USAF even sends a B-52 to get a closer look at a suspicious ship in the middle of the ocean; there r also dozens of UAVs, C-130Js, P-3/8s & U-2s for that.
    It would be a lot easier to use proxies with imbedded SFs to strike American targets in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, KSA, UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, Egypt, Azerbaijan, Europe, Asia, Africa, L. America & Israel. Just recently an airbase in Kenya was attacked:
    https://time.com/5759067/al-shabab-kenya-attack/
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:10 am

    There's nothing for Russia to gain by involving in this and everything to win by letting USA and Iran bleed each other (one more than the other)

    There would be enormous irony in Russia supporting Iran to help it hurt the US more than it otherwise could... a sort of mirror of Iranian support for anti soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s, but more morally sound.

    Iran states it is formally pulling out of the nuclear deal.

    Not a surprise move at all. This is what happens when you push and push someone.

    Which essentially means they are going to start making nuclear weapons... I bet the US feels like a winner now.

    They left the door open for keeping the treaty if sanction are softed.

    They remain reasonable, while the US and the EU do not.

    It was a mistake for Iran to impose any sort of delay on its nuclear program.

    I disagree, it made sense for them to sign that agreement... the economic progress they made was useful, but now that it is gone it makes no sense for them to atrophy economically AND to not have nukes... good economy or nukes or good economy and nukes are both acceptable alternatives, but bad economy and no nukes to defend yourself with is the worst situation for Iran and one they wont be able to accept.

    But we will NEVER accept a nuclear armed Iran.

    Who cares?

    You accept a nuclear armed Pakistan and a nuclear armed Israel... what difference will a nuclear armed Iran mean?

    Iran is led by religious nuts. If you believe we allow Iran nuclear weapons, you must be crazy.

    Your first point... heard of a guy named VP Mike Pence? and your second... you must be crazy to think you have a choice... the chance of France doing to Iran what you did to Libya is tiny...

    France is a christian, catholic nation. Iran hates christians. Nothing would be safe.

    It is the Saudis and ISIS that they support that hate christians... this Iranian guy the Americans murdered was thanked by christians in Syria for saving them from ISIS... christians in Iran are safer than christians living in Israel...

    If iran really wanted the nuk, they would have had it today. Even the north korean with a pathetic industry have them.

    They don't want them, but with the US and the Europeans always pushing their buttons like this they realise they need them.

    Careful what you wish for...

    France will not accept a nuclear armed iran. Never.

    France does not accept Crimea as part of Russia... but guess what...

    This guy is a pretty good commentator. How about his theory?

    Interesting... it would also explains trumps rhetoric about this not starting a war but preventing a war... he clearly doesn't want this to start a war.

    He is not a war hawk like Clinton and Oblama... a war with anyone is an enormous backtrack on his election promises of getting the US out of unnecessary wars and bringing the soldiers home... and fighting a war against Iran during an election cycle... I doubt he would have the brains and skill to do either on its own let alone both at the same time...

    These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!

    Wow, he is desperate for them to not do anything... I would say call his bluff... how often has he flip flopped when the reality of what he previously said sinks in and people realise it was crap.


    Ooh, I misspoke... what I meant to say was that

    These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will not quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!



    Ohh I feel better now that I have cleared that up properly... now I am going to have a perfect phone call with someone...

    France has an enormous network in uran. Half their elite studies in paris. The only constant in iranuan history is paris exile. When shah ruled, ayatollah was in paris. When ayatollah came back, shah family went paris.

    Could say the same about Britain and Poland... does London control Poland now?

    If France cared that much they should have kept their hands of the nuclear deal, which they really didn't and offered nothing but excuses.

    Excellent point... if France and Europe for that matter think a nuclear weapon free Iran is an important thing then they should have manned up and implemented their part of the deal... instead they fail to hold up their end of the deal yet demand Iran holds its end of the bargain...


    The country itself had no growing potential.

    With health and education paid for it had more growth potential than the US currently does, who knows what could have happened there, but the west could not afford for it to succeed because the only progress and development is to become more like the west and nothing else can be accepted... which is where the hate for Cuba and North Korea and Russia and China and indeed India and Iran comes from... alternative civilisations that don't follow the western model...


    Correct Libya before the attacks.

    Free Education, Free Education in every university of the world, Free Medical care. In a lot of case no taxes

    If u marry, government buys u free apartment or pays u 64k$

    If u buy a car, gov pays for half of the price

    Gas cheaper than water gallon — 0,14 $

    Free electricity, housing, subsidized food and cars, paid living allowance if u study abroad, paid hospital bill if you get treatment outside the country.

    There were other perks that the gov would provide and even give you money for doing.

    Iso is displaying his ignorance and lack of understanding.

    Wow... what a shithole... no wonder the west had to destroy it... imagine if that model spread... remember all this wealth should be making one or two families in the US or Europe super wealthy... instead helping an entire country to make things better for all the Libyan people... the bastards... no wonder the free and open western press owned by a couple of very very rich western families like to demonise such countries and their dictator...
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    Post  par far on Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:This guy is a pretty good commentator. How about his theory?


    Lozion@62 - Re: Your Magnier quote, "The US did not plan to kill the vice commander of the Iraqi Hashd al-Shaabi brigade Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes when it assassinated Iranian Brigadier General Qassem Soleiman"

    The light bulb above my chimpanzee brain just flickered (briefly). Somewhere on SST (maybe Lang?): something to the effect of 'Never underestimate US gov/mil incompetence'. Maybe it was the opposite of what Magnier thought really took place.

    Treasonous, dual-citizen chickenhawks of the US possibly targeted Hashd al-Shaabi vice-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes. They were trying to kill him because they found out from some snitch that he just showed up at the airport for some reason. The all-seeing US didn't realize Soleimani was even there. I guess because the sneaky Soleimani flew commercial into Baghdad and probably carried his bags to the waiting SUVs. Who would have expected that? How devious!

    This seems entirely plausible to me. Soleimani was too expensive a target - end of the State of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE and all. But whacking a vice-commander of Hashd al-Shaabi with a quarter-million dollar JAGM? Hell YEAH! We live for this kind of preventative assassination heroism in the US. Especially if accompanied by colorful graphics.

    The awkward and delayed response of the usual US mil/gov mouthpieces makes this ridiculous scenario even more believable. I have thoroughly convinced myself that this was a US screw-up of EPIC proportions. In case the US government is reading MoA, this was all Lozion's doing. I'm an innocent conspiracy primate.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 5 2020 1:00 utc | 135


    ...................
    Or perhaps it is more the case that they didn't expect to have to launch a massive damage control operation this weekend? PavewayIV's speculation back @135, though evidence doesn't exist at the moment to prove it, fits what we do know surprisingly well. The outrageous incompetence, not just of the current administration in Washington but of the entire imperial establishment, is certainly extreme enough for them to not even know Gen. Suleimani was there. That and the casual attitude Americans have about murder such that they wouldn't bother checking who else they might be killing in their enthusiasm to spill blood easily explains why they didn't double check the target.

    Americans are convinced that they can wield violence like a sculptor wields a chisel, carving a pro-empire masterpiece out of the raw material that the world represents like Michelangelo working a block of marble. A sick blend of hubris and psychosis.

    Relying on low-skill second string spin management staff to cover the screw-up? The Tweeter-in-Chief's uncharacteristic silence after the deed was done? The US now trying to negotiate their way out of the the justified response that is inevitable? The US starting a war with not nearly enough troops and hardware in the theater to have any hope at success? I think the speculation by PavewayIV @135 might be right. The fools who think themselves to be artistes de violence shattered their "masterpiece" with an errant blow and now must change their adult incontinence garments.

    Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2020 19:00 utc | 324

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/the-revenge-for-the-assassination-of-qassem-soleimani/comments/page/2/#comments


    The US knew full well who was there, there were inside moles that gave the information(the same thing happened to Arsen Pavlov, Mikhail Tolstykh and Aleksandr Zakharchenko.)

    The US intelligence knew full well what they were doing. They were trying to get Iran into a war.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:03 am

    nomadski wrote:
    Iran is most tolerant with religious minority. Please don't make a statement before checking facts. Also Iran  even with it's religious nuts, has a much more sane foreign policy than say US or UK. If it was not for nukes, Europe and Asia and America, would be destroyed ten times over. With lovely conventional weapons. It is a detterent. It is good for you and me and all the rest of world. Because facing certain death, knocks sense into people heads.

    Iran indeed is infinitely better than any of the Salafist lunatic Sunni states in dealing with Christians and other religious minorities. The precious
    west gave zero f*cks about the genocide of various religious minorities in Syria by its Sunni jihadi terrorist proxies. The bleating about Iranian terrorism
    coming out of the west is grotesque and obscene lying. There are no Shi'ite terrorist groups and MEK is western sponsored.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:09 am

    par far wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:This guy is a pretty good commentator. How about his theory?


    Lozion@62 - Re: Your Magnier quote, "The US did not plan to kill the vice commander of the Iraqi Hashd al-Shaabi brigade Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes when it assassinated Iranian Brigadier General Qassem Soleiman"

    The light bulb above my chimpanzee brain just flickered (briefly). Somewhere on SST (maybe Lang?): something to the effect of 'Never underestimate US gov/mil incompetence'. Maybe it was the opposite of what Magnier thought really took place.

    Treasonous, dual-citizen chickenhawks of the US possibly targeted Hashd al-Shaabi vice-commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandes. They were trying to kill him because they found out from some snitch that he just showed up at the airport for some reason. The all-seeing US didn't realize Soleimani was even there. I guess because the sneaky Soleimani flew commercial into Baghdad and probably carried his bags to the waiting SUVs. Who would have expected that? How devious!

    This seems entirely plausible to me. Soleimani was too expensive a target - end of the State of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE and all. But whacking a vice-commander of Hashd al-Shaabi with a quarter-million dollar JAGM? Hell YEAH! We live for this kind of preventative assassination heroism in the US. Especially if accompanied by colorful graphics.

    The awkward and delayed response of the usual US mil/gov mouthpieces makes this ridiculous scenario even more believable. I have thoroughly convinced myself that this was a US screw-up of EPIC proportions. In case the US government is reading MoA, this was all Lozion's doing. I'm an innocent conspiracy primate.

    Posted by: PavewayIV | Jan 5 2020 1:00 utc | 135


    ...................
    Or perhaps it is more the case that they didn't expect to have to launch a massive damage control operation this weekend? PavewayIV's speculation back @135, though evidence doesn't exist at the moment to prove it, fits what we do know surprisingly well. The outrageous incompetence, not just of the current administration in Washington but of the entire imperial establishment, is certainly extreme enough for them to not even know Gen. Suleimani was there. That and the casual attitude Americans have about murder such that they wouldn't bother checking who else they might be killing in their enthusiasm to spill blood easily explains why they didn't double check the target.

    Americans are convinced that they can wield violence like a sculptor wields a chisel, carving a pro-empire masterpiece out of the raw material that the world represents like Michelangelo working a block of marble. A sick blend of hubris and psychosis.

    Relying on low-skill second string spin management staff to cover the screw-up? The Tweeter-in-Chief's uncharacteristic silence after the deed was done? The US now trying to negotiate their way out of the the justified response that is inevitable? The US starting a war with not nearly enough troops and hardware in the theater to have any hope at success? I think the speculation by PavewayIV @135 might be right. The fools who think themselves to be artistes de violence shattered their "masterpiece" with an errant blow and now must change their adult incontinence garments.

    Posted by: William Gruff | Jan 5 2020 19:00 utc | 324

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    The US knew full well who was there, there were inside moles that gave the information(the same thing happened to Arsen Pavlov, Mikhail Tolstykh and Aleksandr Zakharchenko.)

    The US intelligence knew full well what they were doing. They were trying to get Iran into a war.

    Time for Russia to feed the Iranians some high level intelligence as to the location of key US and Israeli intelligence assets and for some
    "Iranian terrorism" to happen.

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    Post  nomadski on Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:44 am

    This idea of limited wars or skirmishes or proxy action or symbolic strikes, can not work in this case. Since the two sides engaged in conflict, do not have an equal position or power. One side then for lack of response, will escalate to point of full scale war or war of annihilation. This is the nature of human conflict. It works between say China and yank or India and Pakistan, as a battle of will. And then settles down quickly.

    For a limited war, Iran needs nukes. To deter a full scale war escalation or use of nukes by Yanks. It can then put pressure or carry out more proxy attacks or limited direct attacks. So getting Nuke ICBM, is best plan. As well as mounting strike on yank bases to remove from region. And further pressure to remove sanction. Regional answer.

    They should target yank bases only. No other target. Unless another state or player help them. Then they become target. Get the bully alone in a dead end street. And kick the fuck out of him.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:37 am

    Yes KVS. There is a lot that can be done. All I say about covert operation, is that it is by nature limited offensive.  And it in no way guarantees that response will not be given. Just think about the oil Tankers in PG, with holes in them. This was retaliated by four Iranian oil tankers with holes in them. Then it was obvious, who was who and what was what. There is a necessity to remove yank bases. To allow secure trade routes.  This can not be covert. Together with necessity of a very visible Nuke detterent.  This should not be covert. But Russia can go covert. Big time. With info or supplies.

    There is no avoiding war. But again the first phase of offensive, should secure physical space for trade between Asia and Europe. In Northern area of PG region. Then if yank are still not motivated to remove blockade. A general offensive to the south of PG. To motivate them. By necessary action. Material implication.

    https://study.com/academy/lesson/aristotles-metaphysics-the-four-causes.html

    The retaliation should be :

    ( 1 ) Immediate.

    ( 2) Targeted to yank bases only.

    ( 3) Similtaneous in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria and R. Of. Azer.

    ( 4) By official IRI armed forces.

    ( 5) Not last more than six month.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:08 pm

    The US Customs/CG check all US bound containers before they leave foreign or enter US ports;

    Do they check all the containers?

    I doubt it.

    And it could be sent past the US rather than to the US... there are lots of ways they could do it...

    I am sure before the attack on Saudi oil processing plants there was customs and air defence forces looking for attackers too, but they did their homework and found the cracks in the armour and exploited them... they are not idiots and have not been sleeping all this time...

    Would probably be easier to get Iran sympathisers in the US to buy explosives and put it in trucks and drive it to locations around the US like nuke power stations or hydro dams or major public gatherings... I mentioned 120mm mortars... they are just metal tubes... easy to make... with a huge area target they don't need to be accurate... or just a rifle bullet delivered personally from a distance or a tiny silent pistol held in a clenched fist... up close and personal.
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    Post  crod on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:46 pm

    Jesus...the pictures of the leaders in tears is powerful. Perhaps there will be blowback this time.
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    Post  Isos on Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:48 pm

    crod wrote:Jesus...the pictures of the leaders in tears is powerful. Perhaps there will be blowback this time.

    That's only cheap propaganda. They don't care about Suleimani. He was becoming too much powerful for them.
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    Post  nomadski on Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:38 pm



    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2020/01/06/2176058/us-troops-in-west-asia-awaiting-death-general-soleimani-s-daughter-says

    Soon.
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    Post  Aristide on Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:25 pm

    nomadski wrote:Yes KVS. There is a lot that can be done. All I say about covert operation, is that it is by nature limited offensive.  And it in no way guarantees that response will not be given. Just think about the oil Tankers in PG, with holes in them. This was retaliated by four Iranian oil tankers with holes in them. Then it was obvious, who was who and what was what. There is a necessity to remove yank bases. To allow secure trade routes.  This can not be covert. Together with necessity of a very visible Nuke detterent.  This should not be covert. But Russia can go covert. Big time. With info or supplies.

    There is no avoiding war. But again the first phase of offensive, should secure physical space for trade between Asia and Europe. In Northern area of PG region. Then if yank are still not motivated to remove blockade. A general offensive to the south of PG. To motivate them. By necessary action. Material implication.

    https://study.com/academy/lesson/aristotles-metaphysics-the-four-causes.html

    The retaliation should be :

    ( 1 ) Immediate.

    ( 2) Targeted to yank bases only.

    ( 3) Similtaneous in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria and R. Of. Azer.

    ( 4) By official IRI armed forces.

    ( 5) Not last more than six month.


    Iran is poor. USA is rich. If you believe any european country would chose Iran over UsA then you are naive.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:27 pm

    Do they check all the containers?

    https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=31798

    https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=94010

    https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51478

    https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/csi_flows_3.pdf

    Would probably be easier to get Iran sympathisers in the US to buy explosives and put it in trucks and drive it to locations around the US like nuke power stations or hydro dams or major public gatherings...
    giving a casus belli to bomb Iranian nuclear/oil cites, public gatherings & even cultural sites in retaliation:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/04/politics/trump-warning-iran-52-assets/index.html?utm_source=CNN+Five+Things&utm_campaign=aa1811eb22-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_06_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6da287d761-aa1811eb22-109041985

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/05/world/trump-iran-cultural-sites-war-crime/index.html?utm_source=CNN+Five+Things&utm_campaign=aa1811eb22-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_06_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6da287d761-aa1811eb22-109041985

    Iran announced it will no longer abide by any portion of the international nuclear deal forged in 2016:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/04/middleeast/iran-soleimani-nuclear-deal-intl/index.html?utm_source=CNN+Five+Things&utm_campaign=aa1811eb22-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_01_06_03_16&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6da287d761-aa1811eb22-109041985

    I think that Pompeo & those behind him r setting up Trump to get in more trouble so he can run for President himself.


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