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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:23 pm

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    Israel officially informs US: IDF ordered to prepare for military strike on #Iran nuclear program, @amirbohbot  reports citing senior defense source; Tehran won't rush to cross nuke threshold as it understands the implications, but Israel is watching, he says

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    #BREAKING: #Germany's new foreign minister today said there was no progress in sight for nuclear talks with #Iran, & due to the offer of the Iranian government negotiations have been thrown back six months. #G7

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    IDF conducting a snap logistics drill this evening, during which movement of forces, transportation of weapons, and heavy military equipment will be noted throughout the country. The drill will also be attended by thousands of reservists who will be called to their units.

    This time a little more serious for a war?
    Russia straight distracted in places.

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    Israeli media Channel 13 claims that USA has agreed to hold joint drills with Israel to simulate strikes against Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    This comes a few days after reports emerged from the same channel 13 that Mossad and Israeli MoD are going to ask USA to strike Iran.
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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:02 pm

    Stupid move to try to force Iran make concessions during the ongoing resumed talks about iranian nuclear program.

    It won't help.

    And they still lack the means to really hit Iranian targets. They would need bunker buster munitions carried by f-15 and we all saw how f-15 is easy to destroy by AD forces.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:55 am

    Even with US help I suspect they would lose a few aircraft and I am not sure what effective damage they could do... except end the talks and drive Iran to develop nuclear weapons capability.
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    Post  starman Sun Dec 12, 2021 12:02 pm

    Isos wrote:Stupid move to try to force Iran make concessions during the ongoing resumed talks about iranian nuclear program.

    I interpret it that way too. The timing makes it obvious.

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    Iran knows that the sanctions don't have the pull it once did because Iran is integrating into the Russian-Chinese led bloc and soon the Russian-Chinese bloc will have it own payment system.

    The US is fucked internally and is on the decline, while the EU is more fucked than the US. You have refugees that came illegally into the EU becoming politicians.

    Iran fully understands this and that is why they are making demands.

    The threat of war is hollow and Iran knows, as does "The collective West" knows.

    If Iran is attacked militarily, the US bases in the Middle East will be hit hard and the Jews in Israel will be hit hard. And there will be a major war that "The collective West" does not want.

    In the end some kind of deal will be signed with Iran because the world is way different than it was in 2015 and before that.

    Right now there is a powerful Russian-Chinese bloc that Iran is part of.

    As Alexander points out, the US wanted to disengage from the Middle East to take on China but "the collective west" are horrible Poker/Chess players, that they cannot see the moves in the future. Now the US will engaged in three fronts, the Russian front, the Chinese front and the Iranian front. All Russia, China and Iran has to do is chip away at "the collective West".

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    Post  nomadski Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:33 pm

    https://sputniknews.com/20211222/israel-could-attack-irans-nuclear-programme-tomorrow-if-needed-says-air-force-future-head-1091726758.html

    A war between the two sides , if it ever happens , is an air war and a missile war . With some submarines at sea firing some cruise missiles from the Red Sea . But the problem with air war , for both sides is the range of Aircraft loaded with munitions . Take for example the Israeli side , they are hardly going to use F15 , since easy pickings for Iranian AD . So they will try using F35 ! ( large fuel tanker is toast , 400 km from Iran border , so talk of it is largely propaganda ). Now using external drop tanks or munitions is not advised , since they will loose stealth, they have to discard fuel tanks before entering or near Iran airspace . Assuming they are able to refuel by another F35 ( or stealth drone refuelling ) , say over Baghdad , with internal tanks half empty , then being full , then they will theoretically extend range to reach target near say Isfahan . But unable to reach target near , say Mashhad in the East . Suppose they make it to within 80 km of target , with heaviest internal 2000 pound JDAM . Release it and it hits  the target ! By then they are discovered by Iran Radar ( because of open bomb bay doors )and are toast ! Meanwhile the 2000 pound JDAM , makes a dent in the surface of structure buried tens or hundreds of meter down protected with steel bars in the soil and explosive reactive armour on the surface, taking care of warhead ! The Americans will have the same problem , for the same reason . The maths does not work out . The Nuclear sites , known and unknown will be safe . They may hit other above ground targets with missiles , without risking aircraft and men . But so can Iran . In the end the result will be some damage to both sides , but not enough to defeat either side . Will not take out Iran Nuclear sites .Will the Americans spend billions rebuilding Israel ? Perhaps , better ask Trump , he is a builder , he can fix it and make a lot of  money out of it .
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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:05 pm

    The Iran have TorM1. This increases the effort massive. Especially since the TORM1 location is not all known. This also means F-35 losses and pilots.
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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:23 pm

    Tor and S-300 are around strategic targets like airports and nuclear plants. That's well known they keep them there while other systems are spread accross the country to protect other things like oil production and army bases.

    They have just few tors and s-300 and should order more of them.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:39 am

    In a missile exchange between Iran and Israel, the worst hit would be Zionism.
    Their security would be seriously weakened, facilitating attacks by the Palestinian resistance.
    Not to mention, if Hezbollah enters the scene.
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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:25 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:In a missile exchange between Iran and Israel, the worst hit would be Zionism.
    Their security would be seriously weakened, facilitating attacks by the Palestinian resistance.
    Not to mention, if Hezbollah enters the scene.

    Hamas and Palestine are very weak. They use small rocket that can't destroy a tinny house, let alone military infrastructure.

    Hezbollah is better armed but mostly uses unguided rocket that would lack the precision for attacking precisely targets and could have limited damages.

    Most worrying for Israel I guess is all the guided missiles that Iran sent in Syria, Irak and Yemen as well as long range suicide drones. Israel is defended by systems designed to counter ballistic rockets in great number but not against smart munition or low flying cruise missiles. That attack would be covered for sure by a massive rocket attack from hamas and hezbollah so that it occupies israeli AD while iranian missiles goes through.

    And if Israel attacks nuclear infrastructures of Iran then Iran will attack theirs. Israeli are making way more enriched uranium that will be spread accross all the area if it goes boom.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Dec 25, 2021 12:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:In a missile exchange between Iran and Israel, the worst hit would be Zionism.
    Their security would be seriously weakened, facilitating attacks by the Palestinian resistance.
    Not to mention, if Hezbollah enters the scene.

    Hamas and Palestine are very weak. They use small rocket that can't destroy a tinny house, let alone military infrastructure.

    Hezbollah is better armed but mostly uses unguided rocket that would lack the precision for attacking precisely targets and could have limited damages.

    Most worrying for Israel I guess is all the guided missiles that Iran sent in Syria, Irak and Yemen as well as long range suicide drones. Israel is defended by systems designed to counter ballistic rockets in great number but not against smart munition or low flying cruise missiles. That attack would be covered for sure by a massive rocket attack from hamas and hezbollah so that it occupies israeli AD while iranian missiles goes through.

    And if Israel attacks nuclear infrastructures of Iran then Iran will attack theirs. Israeli are making way more enriched uranium that will be spread accross all the area if it goes boom.


    He didn't quite understand what I put in.
    I meant that if Iran fired hundreds of its missiles at Israel, it would produce a great shock by weakening many of its defenses. For example, several control centers would be attacked.
    That would make attacks by Palestinian groups more effective.
    Obviously, the Palestinian forces have not very precise weapons, but as the Zionist defensive system is weakened, they would cause greater damage.
    In addition, Palestinian commandos could be infiltrated in different sensitive points.
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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 25, 2021 3:14 pm

    Not really. Taking out a command post doesn't change the difference of strenght between israel and palestine. Israeli soldiers on the front are equiped to deal with them on their own. They will still have tanks and vehicle to help.

    Israeli aviation would bomb the shit out of Palestine also.

    And Iran doesn't plan to attack first anyway.
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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 25, 2021 10:54 pm

    So I was right. They plan and practice to bomb israeli nuclear power plants.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Dec 25, 2021 11:23 pm

    This is typical Iran. They are basically making a point of what will happen if Iranian facilities get bombed by USraelis.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Dec 26, 2021 12:11 am

    Gonna need some Iron Dope to Iron Cope with that kind of damage...
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 26, 2021 8:57 am

    It is much better for them to show that and make it clear that this is what they plan to do, because it might make Israel think twice before doing something stupid themselves that might make Iran want to do this for real.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:26 pm

    Heard on media , reports that Israel leadership again making noises about attacking Iran ! This despite claims by Iran , that military issued a written directive against discussions about attacking Iran ! People never learn ! They say if Israel attacks Iran Nuclear facility , that Iran can not easily or quickly rebuild them . This of course is true for all exposed and above ground sites. But if Iran attacks Israel Nuclear facility , then Israel can never rebuild them or live in the holy lands ! Isreal is  small territory , and radiation from destroyed reactor will make Israel uninhabitable for the next 20,000 years ! Remember Chernobyl . A radius of 30 km evacuated . Total immediate area of 120000 square kilometres affected , as well as Europe . How big is Israel ? Where is Dimona ? Where are people going to live ? In the Sea ? Why don't they put a sock in it ?


    ".....At Chernobyl approximately 100,000 square kilometres (39,000 sq mi) of land was significantly contaminated with fallout, with the worst hit regions being in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.[111] Lower levels of contamination were detected over all of Europe except for the Iberian Peninsula.[112][113][114].......... "


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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:38 am


    ".....At Chernobyl approximately 100,000 square kilometres (39,000 sq mi) of land was significantly contaminated with fallout, with the worst hit regions being in Belarus, Ukraine and Russia.[111]

    Did any radiation actually make it to Russia?

    My understanding was that the event actually saved a lot of lives because testing for cancers was massively stepped up and a lot of people who didn't know they had cancer were diagnosed early and could be treated because early diagnosis is key, which meant because of all the extra testing the deaths to cancer actually went down.

    The prevailing winds actually took any radiation away from Russia...

    Regarding Israel... countries that live in glass houses should not throw stones...
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    Areas of Bryansk Oblast were contaminated.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:27 pm

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    #Iran launched six precision missiles Fateh-110 Iranian missiles against a Mossad base in #Erbil #Iraq in retaliation to #Israel killing of 2 Iranian officers in #Syria. No official statements were delivered by either side. These are "messages" both sides understand.

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    This attack against #Israel intelligence base in #Iraq carries several messages:
    1. #Iran challenges Israel and the #US during a period where the unilateralism is questioned in #Ukraine and the world order is on the table

    2. #Iran is imposing a Rule of Engagement, hitting #Israel/i targets on any theatre and not necessarily in #Syria or #Iraq or #Azerbaijan in retaliation against Israeli attacks on Iran.

    3. Iran proved it is capable of launching a dozen of precision missiles on a single target.

    4. #Iran is careless about the outcome of the nuclear deal when its national security is in question.

    5. The #Israel/i Mossad base is situated close to a #US consulate that was not hit due to Iran's precision missiles.

    6. #Iran showed its determination to retaliate against #Israel in #Iraq even in the vicinity of a #US consulate.

    7. #Iran missiles were not intercepted by #US interception missile systems, indicating Iran's missiles capabilities.

    8. #Iran is sending a direct message to #Israel and its allies (the #US) that it will not tolerate any act that jeopardises its national security, making sure that any future attempt will be responded to swiftly.

    9. #Iran claimed its responsibility overtly for the attack, unlike the Israeli. Iranian sources said #Israel attacked the IRGC base in Khorramshahr with drones on the 14th of February. This missile bombing against #Erbil #Iraq was a retaliation to the Khorramshahr's attack.






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    Post  Isos Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:07 pm

    The point 7 is baseless. US systems intercepted a number of ballistic missiles coming from Yemen in saudi arabia and UAE. And in Iraq they don't have many system that can really counter missile attacks.

    So if I was Iran I wouldn't over estimate the missiles they used there.
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    Post  nero Mon Mar 14, 2022 2:05 am

    Isos wrote:The point 7 is baseless. US systems intercepted a number of ballistic missiles coming from Yemen in saudi arabia and UAE. And in Iraq they don't have many system that can really counter missile attacks.

    So if I was Iran I wouldn't over estimate the missiles they used there.

    Missiles are missiles. They go on a ballistic or semi-ballistic path and that's that. There is no huge amount of magic wunderwaffe here.

    That said, the United States air defense systems are complete garbage. Perhaps individually the systems would work fine, though the absence of early-warning radars and additional infrastructure make the overall concept pretty useless, as shown by Yemeni ballistic missiles consistently hitting targets throughout Saudi Arabia.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:22 am

    As far as we know none of the missiles Iran launched this time or the time they warned the US about their attack on the US base were shot down despite prior warning for the first attack.

    I would say that is important.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:56 am

    The Fateh-110 series of missiles are basically MARV equipped like a Pershing II would be.
    Patriot has trouble intercepting even regular ballistic missiles.

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    Post  nomadski Mon Mar 14, 2022 11:44 am


    Not much can be said about this incident . Until actual dead bodies of Israel officers or lack of , is confirmed , if at all . 12 to 14 missiles were fired , and all reached target . Either AD was not available or unable to intercept or disallowed from interception . The warheads were strong and not reduced , as witnesses by severe ground shaking , possibly bunker bursting type . Significant , is lack of any video about rescue services or ambulances , as you would normally expect . Either nobody in the compound or everybody dead ? More likely compound empty . Any satellite or air video ?


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