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Iraqi PM Adil Abdul-Mahdi: 'Trump called me and asked me if I could mediate between him and Iran and then moments later he ordered the air strike on hadj Soleimani.''
Isos wrote:...It's notfor jihadi idiots but for their own interests...
PapaDragon wrote:Isos wrote:...It's notfor jihadi idiots but for their own interests...
Which interests?
They have nothing to gain from helping Iran
And they would gain a lot from petroleum prices skyrocketing as a result of massive war in Iran to say nothing of USA being busy there for several decades
Russia deciding to follow their own interests here would be devastating for Iran
Isos wrote:...US did nothing when Iran bombed saudi oil fields...
Isos wrote:...With a few kalibr launched at the good time and good place
PapaDragon wrote:Isos wrote:...US did nothing when Iran bombed saudi oil fields...
They are doing it right now and are about to do a lot moreIsos wrote:...With a few kalibr launched at the good time and good place
Seriously, drop the gamepad and crack pipe
Isos wrote:...Russian directly but undercover fought US in Korea, in Vietnam ... US fought soviet in afghanistan.
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Iran states it is formally pulling out of the nuclear deal.
Not a surprise move at all. This is what happens when you push and push someone.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-pulling-out-nuclear-deal-following-u-s-strike-killed-n1110636
par far wrote:"IRAQI PRIME MINISTER: SOLEIMANI ARRIVED IN BAGHDAD TO RECEIVE DE-ESCALATION PROPOSAL FROM SAUDI ARABIA. TRUMP SUPPORTED INITIATIVE."
So maybe Trump had nothing to do with this, it might be the Hawks and Jews in Israel that are pushing for war with Iran because they see Iranian influence growing in the region.
https://southfront.org/iraqi-prime-minister-soleimani-arrived-in-baghdad-to-receive-de-escalation-proposal-from-saudi-arabia-trump-supported-initiative/
They already have the capability to devastate the global oil economy at the expense of the Saudi's. They are largely untouchable in terms of their ability to inflict substantial losses on any adversary in the region, including the US, should they be attacked. I do not think nuclear weapons will make much of a difference at this point. I think the US-Israeli strategy has, and still is, continued soft-power pressure to force a favorable situation in the domestic politics of Iran. Killing Soleimani is just another facet of this pressure, essentially calling their bluff. Iran is limited in what it can do in response to outright aggressive action beyond its immediate borders, and so it is left looking weak to its people.kvs wrote:Iran needs to get real about its nuclear program. We have the example of Libya and Qaddafi who stopped his program and got
butchered by NATzO and its terrorist proxies. There is a 100% guarantee that the yanquis and the Israelis will do precisely nothing
if Iran gets sufficient nuclear weapons capability.
Isos wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:Iran states it is formally pulling out of the nuclear deal.
Not a surprise move at all. This is what happens when you push and push someone.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iran-pulling-out-nuclear-deal-following-u-s-strike-killed-n1110636
They left the door open for keeping the treaty if sanction are softed.
OminousSpudd wrote:They already have the capability to devastate the global oil economy at the expense of the Saudi's. They are largely untouchable in terms of their ability to inflict substantial losses on any adversary in the region, including the US, should they be attacked. I do not think nuclear weapons will make much of a difference at this point. I think the US-Israeli strategy has, and still is, continued soft-power pressure to force a favorable situation in the domestic politics of Iran. Killing Soleimani is just another facet of this pressure, essentially calling their bluff. Iran is limited in what it can do in response to outright aggressive action beyond its immediate borders, and so it is left looking weak to its people.kvs wrote:Iran needs to get real about its nuclear program. We have the example of Libya and Qaddafi who stopped his program and got
butchered by NATzO and its terrorist proxies. There is a 100% guarantee that the yanquis and the Israelis will do precisely nothing
if Iran gets sufficient nuclear weapons capability.
At the end of the day it's all going to come down to who has the most influence in/on the presiding government of Iraq.
nomadski wrote:@ KVS
Agree that Iran needs nukes. The reason for not having them was political structure in Iran. We devised a plan to defeat their argument. Without totally loosing our capability. Although there are still some that have not learned the lesson. Or they don't like the lesson, since their solution to Iran political problem was external. And with nukes there would be no external solution. They still misuse the term flexibility, as a permanent strategy. But it was only to be used as a tactic against them. So all those who still bark about flexibility are against Iran national interest. But it looks like, with this assassination, many of their games are up. No appeasement and no procrastination. I am sure Iran now heading to be nuclear armed state. And it has to keep them. But not before it consolidates it's trade routes by removing yank bases. Since after acquisition of nukes, although peace is imposed on all parties. But so is geographical constraints. And Iran does not want to be locked out of Afghanistan or central Asia or Syria or Russia to Europe, because a R. Of. Azeri Zionist , is blocking the road with yank bases. Iran must quickly advance forces. Remove bases and station own troops. Then show a Nuke tipped ICBM. This fifth step is not an efficient means of bringing peace. The Yanks have already rejected it. And threatened to bomb Iran holy sites...
Look...France does not agree with US actions against Iran. But we will NEVER accept a nuclear armed Iran.
Iran is led by religious nuts. If you believe we allow Iran nuclear weapons, you must be crazy.
France is a christian, catholic nation. Iran hates christians. Nothing would be safe.
Aristide wrote:Look...France does not agree with US actions against Iran...
Aristide wrote:...But we will NEVER accept a nuclear armed Iran.
Isos wrote:Look...France does not agree with US actions against Iran. But we will NEVER accept a nuclear armed Iran.
Iran is led by religious nuts. If you believe we allow Iran nuclear weapons, you must be crazy.
France is a christian, catholic nation. Iran hates christians. Nothing would be safe.
If anyone gave a fuck about what France think the iranian nuclear treaty would be still valid. Yet it's not.
If iran really wanted the nuk, they would have had it today. Even the north korean with a pathetic industry have them.
We have proven before that we are quite good in sabotage. That Kadhafi was killed, was our work.
France will not accept a nuclear armed iran. Never.