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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:19 am

    Garry thinking our Airforce is shit is funny, I didn't think they where that freaking blinded by their BS.

    Love the ego... your air force looks great when it is bombing from 10km up targets defended by air defence systems from the 50s and 60s, but you really are not used to fighting a dedicated enemy.

    When the enemy can fire back then things will become interesting, but as I said all your females will suddenly get mysteriously pregnant and will need to be replaced to start with.

    Your high opinion of yourself and low opinion of others will lead to serious trouble for you, but don't listen to reason now...

    I see America is trying to get Germany and France to send troops to Syria... do they want replacements for when they leave perchance?

    AFAIK Germany has already declined that offer...

    Their older AD is useless, Our pilots are well and highly trained. Considering all the damage we have done, I'd thought people would have known better.

    Oh big deal... it is easy to break things... especially in poor places... you can really break third world countries from in a bad way to largely screwed... we are all so impressed because dropping bombs from 10km is just so hard.

    No they will leave Iran good has dead in that event, you can think otherwise but they will not help it.

    As Medo says.... Russia is in Syria because they knew they could fight ISIS in Syria or in Russia later on when ISIS took over complete control of Syria.

    The US is clearly more than an economic rival... it is expressly making itself so... so what option does Russia have but to support those countries that the US is trying to destroy?

    61 f-15, 53 typhoon, 81 tornado, 167 f15E. 5 E3, 2 Saab 2000 awacs. 24 tankers.

    That's a huge air force.

    On paper it is impressive, but what sort of quality goes into training and practise... will be entertaining to see how they stack up against Iran to be honest, but if the Americans have any brains they will keep the Saudi Air Force out of it because f-15s and tornados getting shot down all over the place is bad for sales of western gear...

    Iran can't win any war against US. Get over. Once they launch their BM they will be left with nothing. That would be painful for US and KSA but won't destroy them. Right now neither wabt to risk that, but if Iran makes a wrong move they will be destroyed.

    You mean like all of NATO destroyed Serbia over a three month period that was supposed to take less than a week?

    Look I suggested also in Syria waters , after yank launch cruise that Russia can launch anti -ship with less than lethal warhead as demonstrator. Nobody killed and little damage .

    Even if you replace the HE warhead of a Yakhont missile with concrete the kinetic damage to a ship will be dramatic and people will be killed... a cargo ship is enormous and might have 30 people on board but your average US aircraft carrier has 5-6 thousand people on board... besides firing an inert anti ship missile at a US ship hands them a new model Russian anti ship missile largely intact... WTF would you do that for?

    That would be like making a stealth drone that costs more than an F-35 and flying into enemy airspace... wait...

    Russia nor China aren't in a conventional war with us, you need to stop posting this delusional BS.

    The active sanctions of Russia and China and those that trade with them is actually an act of war.

    China doesn't want international conflict. Iran is of no value to China economics.

    Nobody does... except america.

    Cockroaches survive best under war conditions...

    Putin also isn't going to war over Iran he has made it crystal clear from day one, he doesn't want a wide scale war.

    And the best way to prevent a war might be to sell Iran 400 new Su-30 fighter planes as well as new AAMs and some new SAMs too... not to mention anti ship missiles and shore launched long range torpedoes...

    If Iran starts a conflict it's dead, period it cannot beat us 1v1 no matter the propaganda BS you and others try and rant on this matter.

    Yeah, on paper you would thrash Serbia and Vietnam and Korea and Somalia... but it didn't happen did it?

    Very easy cost we can bomb them back to the stone age in a week, blockade their points, make the situation so terrible in that country the people get rid of him for us. The average person is so weak-willed you take away something they need and they will do just about anything to get it back.

    I think Madeline Allbright said Serbia will capitulate in 3 days over Kosovo... in the end NATO had to grovel to Moscow to ask them to get Serbia to the table... and then you double crossed the Russians... so I am guessing that wont work this time...
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:10 pm

    @GarryB

    Agree with what you say about inert warhead . No need to go high tech . Or if high tech  then use their own old  tech ? They must have left something behind ? Lower charge to cause little damage . It can be done . Use simple Katusha from 1950 . Use mine from ww2 . Or simply send old big empty oil Tanker to ram their frigates or oil Tankers , put dent in them , this one legal in maritime law . or block their port ( in Persian Gulf )  , sink it in their harbour . Today I am happier . I don't know why . Nothing happened .......nothing at all ..........


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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:20 pm


    On paper it is impressive, but what sort of quality goes into training and practise... will be entertaining to see how they stack up against Iran to be honest, but if the Americans have any brains they will keep the Saudi Air Force out of it because f-15s and tornados getting shot down all over the place is bad for sales of western gear...

    Every air force general knows that any warplane can be shot down. They are not fanboys. If f-15 is shot down that won't stop air forces operating it.

    Saudi pilot will be good enough for bombing missions once iranian air def are destroyed by US.


    You mean like all of NATO destroyed Serbia over a three month period that was supposed to take less than a week?

    Serbia was destroyed. Kosovo taken. But it's ok because the operation lasted 3 months instead of 2 week. What a success...

    1 month or 6 months, at the end  there is no more Iran.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:28 pm

    The US may get iself a Pyrrhic victory- like in Korea (it was actually a draw), Iraq & Afghanistan. Starting wars is easy; since WWII, the US wasn't able to finish them on its terms. With weakened military, who'll help defend Taiwan, Philippines, SK & Japan against NK & China, with Russia behind both?
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    Post  Isos Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:05 pm

    I agree they couldn't finish previous wars on their terms like you say (south vietnam was captured, afghanistan is still full of al quaida, iraq not "occidentalized" but in Iran they just want to destroy its nuclear program. There is no wish of capturing the country or anything else.


    China is still too weak attack a coalition of Japanese, south korean and taiwanese army supported by US which are very powerfull, well equiped and very well trained.

    And again this "aliance" of China, Russia, NK and Iran is real only in your head.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:52 pm

    Isos wrote:I agree they couldn't finish previous wars on their terms like you say (south vietnam was captured, afghanistan is still full of al quaida, iraq not "occidentalized" but in Iran they just want to destroy its nuclear program. There is no wish of capturing the country or anything else.


    China is still too weak attack a coalition of Japanese, south korean and taiwanese army supported by US which are very powerfull, well equiped and very well trained.

    Yea, sure it's just the Nuclear program, why do i get the sense of Dejavu.
    You attack, they attack, end of story.

    Haha, right, sorry but the Japs and Koreans aren't gonna be a threat to anyone, their Birth rates are terrible, in a few decades they won't be relevant.
    Taiwan is just gonna be China's Cuba.

    In short, time is on China's side, it's clear as day & night to see who is Rising and who is in Decline.
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    Post  nomadski Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:23 pm

    @ AlfaT8

    Agree about China rising and west falling . So if Iran can not ship oil out of Persian Gulf . Because yank will hit Tanker to China , on high seas.  And Iran does not have blue water navy to protect Tankers to China . And China will not risk open war with yank over Iranian oil Tanker . And Iran can not ship by sea to the Med , because of Egypt  and English .

    Then Iran can ship oil to China by land , road and rail and pipeline north . Flat bottom barges  go North caspian port. Russia and China help protect  against air attack.  Iran ICBM nukes will stop yank attack of Iran oil and city .Oil export from  port  deep inside Iran airspace . Yank planes can not reach . Is practical to export to China and Europe ( not  England )  a million plus barrels this way .

    Iran then close Persian Gulf . Drive English and yank out of Persian Gulf and destroy oil port in Saudi Red sea port by missile . Nobody able to buy oil from Saudi . So war with England is more costly for them and the  yank Saudi  zionists  filthy alliance .England collapse .

    Long term.  Good for Iran and Euroasia . Infact with ICBM nukes , yank England will not even attack oil Tanker on high seas . They must eat chlorinated chicken flavour with fracked oil , if they can get it !

    Looks like war inevitable with English/yank  . They could not monopolise  Iran market  and gain an Empire and grow  very fat . And can not succeed with phone blockade . Must do real blockade . Today Syria and tommorrow China and others . Iran must now steady increase pressure.  Capture English ships . Or damage . Without loss of life if possible . As I explained . Then escalate if they will not release Iran ship.  Free navigation to Syria . Free trade for all . Escalate to point of hitting English bases and  city . Long range missile .

    I like to add that,  this stupid argument put forward by the house of lords in UK , regarding  territoriality  justifying imposition of sanctions is pure nonsense . Suppose a land locked  nation is at war with it's neighbours . And third nation wants to export non- military goods into this nation . Does the fact that it's neighbours control airspace automatically  give them the right to stop trade ? There is no solution to this problem , based on territoriality  . The benefit to one side is harm to the other . We are forced to make judgements  and value decisions based on  facts of who is ( more ) right and who is ( more ) wrong . The US  and UK have in  yemen helped the oppression of minority who was democratic and national , by supporting a majority that was undemocratic  and  based abroad in Saudi . They have supported anti - democratic elements in Syria against democratic central goverment . By giving finances and support to extremists . They invaded and destroyed Iraq , on false pretex , hoping to steal it's oil . They set up and support racist and Zionist entity . They keep Afghanistan poor , drug ridden and dependent . Making no infrastructure investment. They support the blockade of peaceful nation of Iran , trying to strangulate it . Possession  is NOT half the law . It is NONE of the law . You use your head to murder , you loose your head .

    We pass through your territory  to reverse your wrong doing . Your destruction . We pass not because we do not respect territory , but because we disrespect murder . We disrespect  you  . The racist English . We will fight you , on your territory . On our territory . In space and on the moon . Down with the disgusting house of Lords . Lords of shit .


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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:26 am

    Serbia was destroyed. Kosovo taken.

    Yeah, that is nothing like the truth... Kosovo was seized of course, but they didn't "take down" the Serbian air defence network... not even close... it was just as dangerous to NATO aircraft on the last day of the conflict as it was on the first.

    It didn't get an enormous number of kills because NATO aircraft kept above its effective ceiling and used a lot of support aircraft... which cost their so called allies on the ground because accuracy was rather less and tractors got mistaken for tanks...

    A conflict in the region will block the straight, so a three month conflict actually suits the Iranians... what is America going to say... we are attacking you and bombing you but you are not allowed to attack ships passing by in the persian gulf?

    What are they going to do if they do? Bomb them? Put economic sanctions on them?

    America is a bully...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:38 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Serbia was destroyed. Kosovo taken.

    Yeah, that is nothing like the truth... Kosovo was seized of course, but they didn't "take down" the Serbian air defence network... not even close... it was just as dangerous to NATO aircraft on the last day of the conflict as it was on the first.

    It didn't get an enormous number of kills because NATO aircraft kept above its effective ceiling and used a lot of support aircraft... which cost their so called allies on the ground because accuracy was rather less and tractors got mistaken for tanks...

    A conflict in the region will block the straight, so a three month conflict actually suits the Iranians... what is America going to say... we are attacking you and bombing you but you are not allowed to attack ships passing by in the persian gulf?

    What are they going to do if they do?  Bomb them? Put economic sanctions on them?

    America is a bully...

    Iran is under terrible economic stress right now if we start bombing them, it will only get worse and worse.

    If they blockade the straight, no civilian ships will pass through it.

    Blockading that waterway means they will need to violate other countries sovereign waters alone giving anyone the justification to attack. Just like if someone illegally enters Irans waters. Iran has a right to attack. Again Russia nor China will go to war over this.

    Iran doesn't have the resources to withstand a prolonged conflict. It may take a few months to do sure but in the end, they will be destroyed in a convential sense.

    Occupying them is much different unless people are willing to adopt brutal tactics like the killing of age males on sight it won't go well.

    Defeating their army is the easy part it's what comes after that would prove just not worth it.
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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:45 am

    Yeah, that is nothing like the truth... Kosovo was seized of course, but they didn't "take down" the Serbian air defence network... not even close... it was just as dangerous to NATO aircraft on the last day of the conflict as it was on the first.

    Big winners ! They saved some radars and some missiles.
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    Post  nomadski Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:42 pm


    @ siegsoloyov

    Iran does not need a long war to win . Only a war extending into 40 to 80 days . Before reserves of many country run dry and they collapse . UK has no reserves . And I doubt , if others will come to help it , in time of crisis . Oil at $ 200 . Business collapses . Iran has enough conventional resources to withstand short or medium or long war . The only scenario not in it's favour , is short war . Where cutting oil becomes ineffective . Also remember , that once Uranium enriched to 20 percent . It is a matter of weeks before it can easily be enriched to 90 percent . Weapon grade . So in reality , Iran can walk English yank economy through hell and deter attack by conventional forces too .


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_strategic_petroleum_reserves
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:33 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    @ siegsoloyov

    Iran does not need a long war to win . Only a war extending into 40 to 80 days . Before reserves of many country run dry and they collapse . UK has no reserves . And I doubt , if others will come to help it , in time of crisis . Oil at $ 200 . Business collapses . Iran has enough conventional resources to withstand short or medium or long war . The only scenario not in it's favour , is short war . Where cutting oil becomes ineffective .  Also remember , that once Uranium enriched to 20 percent . It is a matter of weeks before it can easily be enriched to 90 percent . Weapon grade . So in reality , Iran can walk English yank economy through hell  and deter  attack by conventional forces too .


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_strategic_petroleum_reserves

    That is beyond wishful thinking you simply think other countries will stand for Iran using the straight has blackmail?.

    No, they won't, second Iran tries to hold it hostage. It just made it's self a huge target and it will have to go.

    That's why Iran has NEVER done it before, because if it does they know it's do or die. If they thought it was remotely possible to get away with it they would have done so AGES ago.

    At that point, there is no guarantee Iran wouldn't do it again if no one does what they want.

    All the scenearos you are trying to describe for Iran are pure fantasy and devoid of reality.
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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:42 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:

    In short, time is on China's side, it's clear as day & night to see who is Rising and who is in Decline.

    What we most likely will see is stagnation and maybe common decline of Asian countries. They are all out of steam.
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    Post  Regular Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Yeah, that is nothing like the truth... Kosovo was seized of course, but they didn't "take down" the Serbian air defence network... not even close... it was just as dangerous to NATO aircraft on the last day of the conflict as it was on the first.

    Big winners ! They saved some radars and some missiles.

    No, they were occupied, brought down on their knees, told to submit, their territory was taken away and now they serve Atlantic interest. Couldn't be easier for US. This is the reason why Russia has nuclear weapons- to maintain their sovereignty.
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    Post  Isos Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:50 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Yeah, that is nothing like the truth... Kosovo was seized of course, but they didn't "take down" the Serbian air defence network... not even close... it was just as dangerous to NATO aircraft on the last day of the conflict as it was on the first.

    Big winners ! They saved some radars and some missiles.

    No, they were occupied, brought down on their knees, told to submit, their territory was taken away and now they serve Atlantic interest. Couldn't be easier for US. This is the reason why Russia has nuclear weapons- to maintain their sovereignty.

    I know I was sarcastic.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:21 pm

    The US may have too fight Iraq again as well:
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opinion/sidelining-of-militias-could-strengthen-iran/

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:22 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:The US may have too fight Iraq again as well:
    https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/07/opinion/sidelining-of-militias-could-strengthen-iran/


    The big plans to attack Iran are so much fantasy BS from Israeli and NATO leaders. These clowns operate on regime
    changes. There is no indication that any attack on Iran will bring on regime change. In the case of Serbia, there
    was the 2000 colour revolution. Bombing Iran is not going to bring some retarded youth onto the street to sweep away
    the "regime".

    Also, bombing Iran into the stone age is going to be very expensive for the aggressors in terms of lost jets and
    ships.
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:28 am

    Regular wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:

    In short, time is on China's side, it's clear as day & night to see who is Rising and who is in Decline.

    What we most likely will see is stagnation and maybe common decline of Asian countries. They are all out of steam.

    I am talking about a very specific decline that Heavily effects both Japan and S.Korea.
    At worst China has an odd demographic issue, because of their One Child policy, which led to there being more males than Females.
    But since China has the ability to create a One Child policy, that also means they'll be able fix their problem with a 3 or 4 child policy.
    Which is something , that nations that have embraced "Equal/Female Rights" can never do.
    And ergo, never resolve their fertility problems.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:31 am

    @AlfaT8

    During Dr. Ahmadenejad time , they said Iran can sustain population of 100 million . Now with 80 million there is not enough water resources.  And children can not go to school , because of local air pollution . Since oil output was cut , the wages of public sector workers reduced or not payed.  Yet there is no collective decision to regulate population according to demands of resistance  economy .

    In my view there is for every country an ideal size population . This is determined by available water and local agricultural resources . Local industry outputs and mines . I say local , since export dependency will lead to shortages as a result of ever decreasing world resources and wars and sanctions .

    It is simple , I have a plant pot . Of wild Violet ( dog Violet ) . It is a very adaptable plant . It changes it's growth according to local conditions . But if you over water it or give it fertilizers,  then it over grows and dies . In these conditions of externally induced artificial growth ( heavy dependency  on external trade and growth ) , the only way to save it  , is too  stop watering and fertilizer and take out some of the roots , kill some of the plant . Then left alone , it flourishes and flowers , but in smaller form . Like the Caspian horse .

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    @KVS

    They know , they talk BS . The real war aim is different to stated war aim . The real aim is to either make a short war or heighten  tension to the point of war . They will gain by loosing jets and ship . The airmen and sailors and tax payers will loose . They think their resources , arms manufacturing companies and investments in Banks and off shore accounts and Villa in Caribbean  will be safe ! The Anglo culture of  colonialism is the sea in which  the ship of  military industrial complex set sail .

    @ javad zarif

    THE OIL TANKER WAS NOT GOING TO SYRIA , BUT NOW IT IS GOING TO SYRIA .

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:53 pm

    nomadski wrote:@AlfaT8

    During Dr. Ahmadenejad time , they said Iran can sustain population of 100 million . Now with 80 million there is not enough water resources.  And children can not go to school , because of local air pollution . Since oil output was cut , the wages of public sector workers reduced or not payed.  Yet there is no collective decision to regulate population according to demands of resistance  economy .

    In my view there is for every country an ideal size population . This is determined by available water and local agricultural resources . Local industry outputs and mines . I say local , since export dependency will lead to shortages as a result of ever decreasing world resources and wars and sanctions .

    I am not talking about an Ideal Population, i am talking about preventing a collapse of the population and the eventual decline of the nation.
    In Iran's case, they also somewhat embraced Equal/Female "Rights" and gave them the vote.
    After Ruhollah Khomeini passed away, his policies on Women in home and family were soon reversed, and the Iranian Fertility rate collapsed from 6/5 to 2 by the year 2000.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:17 pm

    I understand . The way I see it , social policy should be such , as to help maintain the actual population to near ideal size population . Such as economic incentives to increase or decrease population . Birth control and terminations of pregnency , as recently permitted and encouraged , for couples who already have one child . Free child care and grants for couples for first child . Marriage law should be such , as to disallow the economic benefit for divorcing couples.  Child custody should be given to men not women . Many things can be done.

    An easy way to determine ideal size population , is to work out the amount of local grown food in agriculture . Taking into account variations in rainfall . And attack by diseases or pests . Locusts . If this means reduction in population , then parliament should pass law , after neutral scientific study .

    In times when divorced father relinquished custody of child to mother , then child maintenance money should be given to mother , at discretion and by father , directly to mother. Or better still,  in payment by goods for child or food , purchased by father,  and given directly by father to mother or child . This stops economic profiteering  by mothers , out of divorce process . Removes incentives for divorce . Allows children to grow stable .

    @ javad zarif

    THE OIL TANKERS WERE NOT GOING TO SYRIA , BUT THEY ARE NOW GOING TO SYRIA .

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:56 pm

    nomadski wrote:I understand . The way I see it , social policy should be such , as to help maintain the actual population to near ideal size population . Such as economic incentives to increase or decrease population . Birth control and terminations of pregnency , as recently permitted and encouraged , for couples who already have one child . Free child care and grants for couples for first child . Marriage law should be such , as to disallow the economic benefit for divorcing couples.  Child custody should be given to men not women . Many things can be done.

    An easy way to determine ideal size population , is to work out the amount of local grown food in agriculture . Taking into account variations in rainfall . And attack by diseases or pests . Locusts . If this means reduction in population , then parliament should pass law , after neutral scientific study .

    In times when divorced father relinquished custody of child to mother , then child maintenance money should be given to mother , at discretion and by father , directly to mother. Or better still,  in payment by goods for child or food , purchased by father,  and given directly by father to mother or child . This stops economic profiteering  by mothers , out of divorce process . Removes incentives for divorce . Allows children to grow stable .

    Truthfully, i think too many people get lost in the Birth control, economic and Legal issues, and this prevents them from finding the main culprit.
    In the numerous studies a couple of years ago about Countering Overpopulation, many concluded that the best way to do so was to give Women Education and Job Opportunities.
    So when it comes to Countering a Collapsing Population, the answer is clear.

    IMO, the nation should adjust itself during a population increase and doing all it can to prevent a population collapse.

    In Russia's case, they seem to be trying to tie Welfare with Births, the more kids you have to more Welfare benefits you get, this policy may actually work out, since it's the kids that'll be paying for the Welfare with their Taxes, instead of the Government.
    Granted most of these benefits should happen when the parents reach the Retirement age and there should be restrictions for single mother.
    The last thing Russia needs is school shooting problems.

    Ok, i think we're way Off Topic now, the mods should move this discussion elsewhere.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:58 pm

    I don't think I am off topic . Since population  control is an essential part of resistance economy . I don't see a reduction in population  as national emergency or disaster to be avoided . As long as there are enough people to form effective fighting force or class of soldiers . You can have a million standing army with population of 80 or 40 million . You must not forget that some forms of capitalist economy use overpopulation and as means of increasing competition among working class to reduce wages.  Liberal policies of importing foreign labour and allowing women into workforce have similar effects.  The capitalists do not pay for the social cost of their production . The population at large does ! Long term , Iran needs social planning  , with or without war with yanks . But especially if war with yank . As is now . Mods please leave post here . Message for Javad Zarif . Very important .


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    Post  AlfaT8 Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:41 am

    nomadski wrote:I don't think I am off topic. Since population control is an essential part of resistance economy.
    I don't see a reduction in population as national emergency or disaster to be avoided.

    As long as there are enough people to form effective fighting force or class of soldiers.
    You can have a million standing army with population of 80 or 40 million.

    You must not forget that some forms of capitalist economy use overpopulation and as means of increasing competition among working class to reduce wages.  
    Liberal policies of importing foreign labour and allowing women into workforce have similar effects.
    The capitalists do not pay for the social cost of their production.
    The population at large does!

    Long term, Iran needs social planning, with or without war with yanks.
    But especially if war with yank, As is now.

    Mods please leave post here, Message for Javad Zarif.
    Very important .

    Resistance economy?... you mean a reliance on the internal economy, instead of relying on international trade.
    Yea, a collapsing population would screw that up real fast.
    So forget standing armies, you will need to surrender to get that international trade.

    I would say over-immigration, instead of overpopulation.
    But yea, the over-saturation of the Labor market will do this, combined with outsourcing of jobs to other countries and you have a recipe for disaster.

    They already have some planing programs, the problem is that their Women vote, and they will vote down any Direct measures that could increase Fertility.
    Same for Russia, that's why they had to use this Welfare game instead, we will have to wait and see if it works.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:09 am

    It has been proved that if too much economic wealth is allowed women , so they become needless of men . That they are less likely to get married . Or have children ! And that the greater wealth of men , the more likely that they get married and have children ! So to keep population stable , for women and men of  reproductive age , the women need to receive wages through men . And men need to give women financial support . If women divorce , then they recieve wages directly by employer . But custody of children is with men . Unless they relinquish . Child support payment is paid by father at his discretion and  direct to mother face to face or children . So human paternal link is not broken . As is case in some capitalist western nation . UK . Women who become economically independent and have the vote , are likely to vote for their " right " to have abortions or have custody of children in case of divorce or opt for dissolutions of marriage as institution or not get married in first place . Or get pregnant by artificial insemination  , to deny father paternity  rights , sole " ownership of children as property " . I have seen this among millionairess  Hollywood women !

    On a happier note , Iran will  export oil under any circumstance . Meaning Iran will not  answer to demand of UK that it is answerable to demand of UK and should follow their national law , in imposing sanctions against Syria Gibraltar's waters are under law , international trade transitions routes . EU does not have right to  stop traffic . So the English are stuck ! They face retaliation in Persian Gulf !


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