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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:21 pm

    par far wrote:...Why would Russia use the US dollar

    Because Iranian currency is worth about as much as toilet paper

    If Iranians were serious about fighting back they would have bought those weapons long ago

    But that wasn't the plan, it never was

    Plan was to play ball with Uncle Sam and then enjoy all those nice Boeing and Airbus planes while giving Russia the middle finger

    Unfortunately for them Optimus Trump spanked their Chosen One in last elections and now they found themselves over the barrel and all out of lubricant

    When embargo expires in six months they better make the purchase instantly, load every last ounce of gold they have on a plane to Moscow and hope their gophers learn how to use new toys quickly

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    Post  mnztr on Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:15 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Because Iranian currency is worth about as much as toilet paper

    If Iranians were serious about fighting back they would have bought those weapons long ago

    But that wasn't the plan, it never was

    Plan was to play ball with Uncle Sam and then enjoy all those nice Boeing and Airbus planes while giving Russia the middle finger

    Unfortunately for them Optimus Trump spanked their Chosen One in last elections and now they found themselves over the barrel and all out of lubricant

    When embargo expires in six months they better make the purchase instantly, load every last ounce of gold they have on a plane to Moscow and hope their gophers learn how to use new toys quickly


    Iran would not use US$, they would trade in oil, Russia would use the oil for its domestic needs and export more Russian oil
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:00 pm

    Does anyone have any links to why Soleimani was designated a terrorist by Obummer? I know that the designation is
    absurd since I have heard nothing about any civilians being targeted by Iranian and Iranian-allied units. Israel
    declares Hezbollah to be "terrorists" because of sour grapes, sore loser spazzing. Recall that Hezbollah was key
    to kicking Israeli occupants out of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah never bombed civilians to achieve this.

    I am seeing Soleimani labelled a terrorist in both the fake stream and alt media. Since I have been paying
    attention to the middle east for decades, I find it odd that I have never heard his name brought up before in
    the context of terrorism. This is all very Orwellian.

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    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:03 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Does this look like a man who is still convinced that he did the right thing?

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    http://thesaker.is/is-the-chairman-of-the-jcs-freaking-out-answer-he-should-and-he-is/

    Has the same look as the Apollo astronauts at press conferences after their alleged Moon landings.
    It is some sort of generic US sheep in the headlights look. Wrong doing must be lurking somewhere
    to prompt the expression.

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    Post  par far on Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:26 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:...Why would Russia use the US dollar

    Because Iranian currency is worth about as much as toilet paper

    If Iranians were serious about fighting back they would have bought those weapons long ago

    But that wasn't the plan, it never was

    Plan was to play ball with Uncle Sam and then enjoy all those nice Boeing and Airbus planes while giving Russia the middle finger

    Unfortunately for them Optimus Trump spanked their Chosen One in last elections and now they found themselves over the barrel and all out of lubricant

    When embargo expires in six months they better make the purchase instantly, load every last ounce of gold they have on a plane to Moscow and hope their gophers learn how to use new toys quickly



    Nobody is using Iranian currency, they are going to use oil, like they have been doing.

    After the collapse of Soviet Union, Iran tried to buy Russian weapons but after pressure from the US, Russia pulled out, so they tried buying Russian weapons.

    For the civilian airplanes, Airbus and Boeing have a bigger network that can provide parts and such, Russian civilian aircraft are not on the same level as Airbus or Boeing because of their network.

    Dump can only spank naked whores, nothing else.

    Their are no embargo, that deal is dead. Iran got the air defense systems with oil and they will get the other stuff with oil not gold.
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    Post  kvs on Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:56 pm

    Iran can pay in gold or other valuable goods for whatever it needs. Iranian fiat is not the only option.

    Russia can use the Caspian Sea as a backdoor to help Iran. Iran can ship its oil to Russia via the Caspian and Russia
    can sell that oil and give Iran whatever currency it wants for it. The main thing is for Russia to block any
    UN approval of sanctions on Iran. The US can make up all the sanctions it wants and Russia is free to ignore them.

    I am sure that Uncle Scumbag will go for the jugular of trying to block Russian resale of Iranian oil, but Russia
    can play dirty and threaten to stop selling oil at all. That would remove at least 7+2=9 million barrels per day
    from the market. Saudi Arabia, unlike in the past, cannot dial its production to fill such a huge gap. The gasoline
    price in the US will shoot up enough to cause the a 2008 meltdown all over again. Trumpy and the Congress chimps will
    have to decide what is more valuable to them.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:00 pm

    par far wrote:Nobody is using Iranian currency

    Obviously



    par far wrote:After the collapse of Soviet Union

    That was 30 years ago, excuse no longer applies

    You buy weapons before war starts not after



    par far wrote:Airbus and Boeing have a bigger network that can provide parts and such, Russian civilian aircraft are not on the same level as Airbus or Boeing because of their network

    Fair argument, I am sure Iran will be using all those airplanes in peace and prosperity while enjoying full benefits of maintenance and support network from their friendly suppliers



    par far wrote:Dump can only spank naked whores, nothing else

    That's no way to speak of General Soleimani, his corpse still hasn't even been buried yet



    par far wrote:Their are no embargo

    Yes there is, if they want the heavy stuff they still have to wait until summer



    par far wrote:they will get the other stuff with oil not gold

    They better start pumping that oil now because nobody will risk payment getting cut off due to unexpected circumstances

    Smart move is always gold (for seller that is)



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    Post  nomadski on Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:10 pm

    @ MNZTR

    In theory yes. Since Europe refused to buy Iran oil via Russia resale. But they should have no problem with Russian oil. Russia then selling to Europe it's own oil. But I have a feeling when killing starts that Europe will back off  and at some level at least, political or diplomatic / economic will take yank side. Until of course yank defeated and entire sanction regime collapse. That is the story for the oil. No go. But Iran can not afford purchases of expensive heavy equipment right now. They need every Rial for essential purchases of food and medicines. To stop starvation. So Russia can give lend / lease of some equipment. Not huge amount. In my view spares for fighter aircraft or older MIG 29. The priority right now, may not even be that at all. But obtaining some essential materials for other programmes.

    @KVS

    General Suleimani did help set up the Iraqi resistance Shia group against Yanks occupation. They did fight the occupation forces. And they did suffer casualties. Under law occupation and invasion of Iraq was illegal. As it is today. People have right of self defence. But he was in Iraq for peace negotiations with Saudi / yank at invitation of Iraq. An official visit. This assassination is like taking out Mike Pence, by Iranian drone in Iraq, after  Iran inviting him for peace talks.
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    Post  mnztr on Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:23 pm

    kvs wrote:Iran can pay in gold or other valuable goods for whatever it needs.  Iranian fiat is not the only option.

    Russia can use the Caspian Sea as a backdoor to help Iran.  Iran can ship its oil to Russia via the Caspian and Russia
    can sell that oil and give Iran whatever currency it wants for it.   The main thing is for Russia to block any
    UN approval of sanctions on Iran.  The US can make up all the sanctions it wants and Russia is free to ignore them.

    I am sure that Uncle Scumbag will go for the jugular of trying to block Russian resale of Iranian oil, but Russia
    can play dirty and threaten to stop selling oil at all.  That would remove at least 7+2=9 million barrels per day
    from the market.  Saudi Arabia, unlike in the past, cannot dial its production to fill such a huge gap.  The gasoline
    price in the US will shoot up enough to cause the a 2008 meltdown all over again.  Trumpy and the Congress chimps will
    have to decide what is more valuable to them.


    Russia does not need to sell Iranian oil, they can use almost all of it for domestic consumption...and they can export Russian oil
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:39 pm

    Hannibal Barca wrote:
    Dima wrote:
    Agree. But Nuclear program can wait a bit...I don't mean halting.

    But first things first.

    Get as much S-300/400 and medium and short-range AD system as possible from Russia. Does Russia have the balls to sell them is the real question.


    That's why I believe that Putin (and I am a HUGE supporter of his all these years),
    run his historic purpose and should hand the leadership to a young lion that is less indirect and prosaic.
    Time to step up a gear, be active, dictate the terms, give no shit about the European vassals and spit western culture in the face.
    i believe that Russia cannot officially sell offensive weapons until the expiration of the UN ban (I believe it is another 10 months), unless they do that via proxy. They could however sell additional defensive systems. BukM2/M3, Pantsir, Tor, and additional S300 (eventually also S400 with russian specialist manning them for the first 6 months).
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:30 am

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a30420240/middle-east-us-harware/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Lewis_B._Puller_(ESB-3)#Design_features

    Washington can use strategic bombers B-52 against Iran
    http://nvo.ng.ru/nvoevents/2020-01-07/100_200107news2.html?print=Y

    Who and why leads Trump to the war with Iran
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2823818.html

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2823423.html

    https://www.juancole.com/2020/01/showdown-conflict-disastrously.html






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    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:55 am

    I think Iran does not need S300. S400. Even Mig fighter. Or Russia trying to sell oil. And..... And.... Iran needs nukes.
    None of this makes much difference now. Iran is going to strike. Kill. Liberate. And if they go too far, Nuke test on TV. So I think you should just sit and relax. Iran not cash cow for defence firm. East or West. No gold for Tavarish comrade..... Stop this non sense. We have no desire to turn into Syria and be partitioned into East and west by secret deal. . And have our lands occupied or partitioned like Korea or Vietnam or Germany or any other shit hole ruled by foreigners. Have no troops on our soil. Or line your pockets. If you can not give real help. Fine. Stand out of the way, like other Europeans. And  wear sunblock 2000. For radiation. And when all fucking world economy fails and someone dream of joining yank against us. Think we have nukes too...... Peace.


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:11 am

    The US & UK will still have more nukes, while Iran has no ICBMs.
    NK tested its nukes many times but the US started to freak out only after she successfully tested an ICBM & a SLBM.
    https://www.russiadefence.net/t3722p450-iran-latest-and-breaking-news#272299



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    Post  nomadski on Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:22 am


    What Iran has and can do will soon be revealed. Option 13, the least strongest retaliatory option will be devastating for Yanks. What is option number one?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:35 am

    I'm sure the US played all possible scenarios on its computers- it's called "war gaming".
    They know what Iran can do & r now taking measures. But what they don't know is how far China & Russia r prepared to go in the escalation of this upcoming conflict.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:35 am

    ELINT News
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    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:37 am

    Russia won't do any of those fairy dreams for Iran.

    Russia is not the USSR, its elites are not the elites brought up with a different world view 50 years ago. Putin's head will roll on Kremlin Square before oil production is stopped to help the Iranians.

    As for arms sales... anyone only needs to go back to Russia's embarrassing behavior with the Iranian S-300's to see how weak and misguided they're at the top. Hoping for browny points with the U.S only to be slapped. Submissive behavior, unprofessional behavior, cynical. If they don't even do it for Syria when Israel bombs them freely... the country that's home to two of its bases.... the very one that prevents a GAS a pipeline crossing Qatar all the way to Europe... why would they do it for the Iranians?

    Not to mention, the Russian elite are scared shitless of the empire and that sentiment reverberates in every decision they make. At least that elite understands self preservation which is why the army was given a lift. Russia defines itself through the Empire and in opposition to whichever empire rules the world at any given time. It never truly leads as a nation. And that's a sad reality. Without the empires it wouldn't know what do with itself geopolitically - except expand geographically... a very messy and basic way of absorbing power. It's a cultural thing. The USSR was the only truly global push of Russia as an empire and they flopped 50 years after WWII.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:39 am

    Washington can use strategic bombers B-52 against Iran

    Hahaha... the US wont fly over Syrian airspace... they certainly wont risk aircraft over Iran...
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:43 am

    I'm sure the US played all possible scenarios on its computers- it's called "war gaming".
    They know what Iran can do & r now taking measures. But what they don't know is how far China & Russia r prepared to go in the escalation of this upcoming conflict.

    Of course... the US has amazing skills in predicting how their enemies will act... it is just that they have been shit at it up to now because their actions in the region have only weakened the west and led to an immigration crisis for europe and led to Russia and Iran becoming much more power and RESPECTED in the region by countries that were not necessarily allies of Russia or Iran.

    Americans are idiots and a computer will only tell you what you already know... when my computer simulation of a fighter plane makes my planes the best and their fighter pilots shit I seem to win all the time... but does that mean if i strap into a cockpit and go up for a spin I will get results like that?
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:45 am

    As for arms sales... anyone only needs to go back to Russia's embarrassing behavior with the Iranian S-300's to see how weak and misguided they're at the top. Hoping for browny points with the U.S only to be slapped. Submissive behavior, unprofessional behavior, cynical. If they don't even do it for Syria when Israel bombs them freely... the country that's home to two of its bases.... the very one that prevents a GAS a pipeline crossing Qatar all the way to Europe... why would they do it for the Iranians?

    The fact that they are currently selling S-400s to Turkey and India and China and that Syria has S-300s suggests that was a temporary thing... they thought they could get some brownie points and they didn't... Lesson learned... are you expecting them to repeat their mistakes like the west does?

    Perhaps you have another ship to sell them?
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:52 am

    US military acknowledge at least 6 rockets hit against their Al Asad base. (Irony of the name lol1 )

    Many video of what seems to be iranian rocket/BM launched from Iran against Us targets but none confirmed.

    We don"t know if they are using rockets or BM. The BM have bigger warheads and do more damages. Rockets depend which one were mostly ineffective in former attacks. But iran has also big rockets that are not comparable to katyisha used by militias.
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:54 am

    Confirmed.

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    #BREAKING: IRGC CONFIRMS HITTING AIN ASSAD AIRBASE WITH TENS OF MISSILES -
    @PressTV


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    #BREAKING: Third round of rockets impact Ain-Assad Airbase- via
    @nafisehkBBC



    ELINT News
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    #BREAKING: Tasnim news agency journalist reports Iran has launched dozens of ballistic missiles
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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:08 am

    Must be hundreds of deads. Their bases are not protected against BM, not only do they not have air def system but also the base itself is mostly made to counter guerillas and small arm fire. Iranian missiles are very precise and have a good punch to destroy any building.


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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:12 am

    They have attacked US. They can attack any neighbour for sure.

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    Post  Isos on Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:17 am

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    #BREAKING: It is now confirmed that the #IRGC backed Kataib Hezbollah (45th Brigade of #PMU) launched 40 unguided rockets at Ain Al Asad Air Base where the #USArmy's MQ-1Cs are based. At-least one of them participated in the operation for elimination of #Soleimani in #Baghdad!



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    According to #IRGC, in addition to the Katyusha rockets launched by Kataib Hezbollah, #IRGC Aerospace Force launched six Fateh-110 ballistic missiles from #Iran at Ain Al-Asad Air Base during Operation #Soleimani. They falsely claim that they have killed 80 American troops

    Edit: depending on the variant, fateh 110 has a 450-650kg warhead.

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