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    Post  kvs Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:10 pm

    So many Youtube videos "disappeared" under the pretext of copyright. A lot of these Youtube copyright claims are bogus and not by the
    original owners of the video. They also totally violate fair use. If video is put on public platforms like TV and internet streaming it is
    no longer protected as totally private. People can use parts of it for all sorts of reasons. Youtube censors just succor these copyright
    trolls as a tool to control information flow.

    Back OT. The new R-37M missile can be used against heavy drones and is now light and small enough to be carried by Su-3X fighters
    and not just the Mig-31. All sorts of "experts" were claiming Russia would have a hard time replacing the R-37 since a lot of its
    parts were made in ex-Ukraine now known as Banderastan. Well, Russia not only replaced the parts, it massively improve the missile.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:25 am

    Actually they produced new AAMs in families and there is actually a new family for the new generation aircraft that includes a new internally carried much longer range AAM... it is called Izd 810 and is described as having 1.6 to 9 times greater range than the R-37M depending on the launch conditions...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:27 pm

    Landing the "drones": a line of anti-drone defense systems created in Russia
    In our country, a whole line of systems has been created that allow you to effectively detect hostile drones and provide comprehensive protection from them at close and distant approaches to the guarded facility.
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    Drones are often referred to as drones - from the English word drone, one of the meanings of which is drone in Russian. As it turned out, these mechanical insects can sting just deadly. It is not surprising that very serious attention is paid to combating them throughout the world. The domestic industry, having caught the trend in a timely manner, was able to develop and launch into production a large number of effective means of countering unmanned aerial vehicles - reconnaissance and strike.

    Let's talk about the most interesting developments created by various enterprises of the State Corporation Rostec.

    Concern "Avtomatika" specializes in electronic and optical countermeasures in stationary, mobile and portable versions.

    So, "Pischal - PRO" looks like a gun. It does not require any special operator training or special technical knowledge. Seeing the target, the operator simply pulls the trigger, and the radio-electronic impact immediately begins. The drone is suppressed by means of communication, control, navigation. The drone appears to be in a state of "prostration". And heavy aircraft-type UAVs simply fall.

    Another mobile portable jamming device is Kupol-PRO, made in the form of quick-assembly units that allow one person to assemble and disassemble the product within three minutes. The device acts by means of a protective electromagnetic effect on the on-board electronic subsystems of the drone, due to which they become inoperative.

    Another portable UAV detection and countering complex "Luch-PRO" can be deployed within five minutes and used even from unprepared positions. It detects drones and creates interference suppressing control and navigation channels in a given sector at a distance of at least five kilometers.

    A more "heavyweight" development of "Avtomatika" in the field of countering UAVs is the "Sapsan-Bekas" system - a mobile multifunctional complex using both passive and active detection means. In addition to radar systems, the complex includes optoelectronic surveillance of drones, a visible spectrum video camera and a thermal imager. The range of drone recognition by optical means is up to four kilometers. The range of suppression of control and navigation channels of drones is up to four km, depending on the configuration and appearance of the protected object and tactics of use. In addition, the complex can act as a target designation tool for other electronic warfare and air defense systems, conduct circular observation or scan a given sector.

    Rubezh-Avtomatika is Rostec's answer to the growing problem of terrorism using drones and their illegal use. The product ensures the safety of social and sports events, industrial enterprises and facilities of the fuel and energy industry. The range of the "Rubezh" can reach 30 km.

    The transported UAV countermeasure complex "Bastion-Avtomatika" is intended for continuous radio surveillance, detection of signals from unmanned aerial vehicles and generation of counter signals. At the same time, the analysis of the signal from the drone is carried out in automatic mode, means of identification "friend or foe" are introduced, which allows the object to be protected without the participation of operators.

    Another Rostec association, Ruselectronics, also has a wide range of anti-UAV solutions. At the last exhibition "Interpolitex-2020" the new module of acoustic reconnaissance "Ataka-Shorokh" was presented for the first time. The equipment is designed to protect civil and special objects from unauthorized entry of unmanned aerial vehicles flying in radio silence. The module is equipped with ultra-sensitive microphones that allow you to determine the location of an approaching drone. The detection range of drones depends on the level of ambient noise - for example, in a city, the range of equipment is 100-150 m. The required number of modules and their locations are determined depending on the characteristics of the protected object.

    Recently, tests of the modernized Ataka-DBS anti-drones complex using a new type of antennas were successfully carried out. The results showed that the range of the complex increased almost 2 times in terms of detection and 2.5 times in terms of suppression. The complex is based on radio frequency detection and suppression modules. The equipment is capable of automatically detecting a drone within 0.1 seconds, identifying an object according to the "friend or foe" principle, blocking its communication and navigation channels.

    Ruselectronics has also created a mobile version of the Ataka-Trophy anti-drone countermeasures system based on an all-terrain UAZ vehicle. The complex can, without operator participation, identify the drone on the principle of "friend or foe" and automatically prevent unauthorized entry into the protected area. The deployment time of the complex is five minutes. The peculiarity of "Attack-Trophy" is that literally "from the wheels", without preparation and installation of equipment, you can organize the protection of various objects - industrial companies, critical infrastructure, as well as crowded places during social and sports events.

    At the Army-2020 forum, Roseletronica showed for the first time a multifunctional mobile complex to combat drones Rat. This complex has become one of the forum's sensations. The Rat was created on the basis of a special armored vehicle and is equipped with a full range of drone detection and suppression devices to protect critical objects from unauthorized intrusion of foreign drones.

    The new items include a radar station, a complex for automatic recognition and suppression of telecommunication channels, a system of directed microwave (microwave) suppression and a system of directed laser destruction. All equipment is integrated into a single intelligent system for collecting, processing and displaying information. Data from the means of detection and observation are sent to the central control panel, the system processes the target parameters and offers the operator several options for further actions. The complex detects drones at a distance of up to 3.5 km, carries out targeted suppression of UAV control channels within a radius of up to 2.5 km. In case of an unauthorized intrusion of several objects, it blocks their communication and satellite navigation channels.

    Now we are working on a new system - "Aegis". According to the developers, using special software, it will be able to distinguish an aircraft-type drone from a helicopter and aerostatic one, which will allow predicting its landing trajectory after the drone's communication channel with the control center is interrupted. That is, a drone that has lost control can be quickly found and its purpose found out. In addition, the system is capable of detecting and even neutralizing UAVs that operate over encrypted communication channels or jam their signal.

    The Kalashnikov concern pays the most serious attention to unmanned aerial vehicles and means of combating them.

    The REX-1 electronic rifle, created by Izhevsk designers from the Zala Aero Group, effectively protects against light drones. The weapon is built on a modular basis and can be assembled for specific tasks. Simple pictograms on the modules facilitate assembly: the "quadrocopter" suppresses the control and information transmission channels of drones, the "satellite" extinguishes the navigation systems, the "antenna" - the Wi-Fi channels, and the "phone" - the mobile communication. The REX-1 can also be used to detain intruders: a laser and a strobe will blind and disorient a potential terrorist, and electronic countermeasures will prevent him from contacting accomplices or transmitting a signal to an explosive device. The REX-1 will not be superfluous even if it detects suspicious objects: it blocks radio communication, and you can safely wait for the arrival of sappers.

    Now REX-2 is being launched into series. This system is the most compact in the world as it is based on a pistol. At the same time, all the characteristics of the basic sample - the REX-1 gun - are preserved. The REX-2 is equipped with a replaceable set of modules for jamming radio and satellite navigation signals for controlling drones. As a result of optoelectronic jamming, operators lose control of the drones.

    Another system, ZALA ZONT, ​​suppresses signals from satellite navigation systems (GPS, GLONASS, BeiDou, GALILEO) within a radius of 2 kilometers, ensuring the safety of ground groups from attacks by kamikaze drones and taking the exact coordinates of the group.

    It should be added that the world market for anti-drone systems is growing very actively. According to ResearchAndMarkets forecasts, from 2019 to 2025, the global market for anti-unmanned technologies will grow by an average of 29% per year, or by $ 2.4 billion. the market will grow even faster - by 30% per year. And Russia has a winning position in this segment - we have something to offer the most demanding customers.

    The author expresses gratitude to the press service of the State Corporation Rostec for help in preparing the material.

    https://rg.ru/2020/10/28/prizemlit-trutnej-linejka-sistem-zashchity-ot-dronov-sozdana-v-rossii.html

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:48 pm

    Considering what happened in Armenia a much more comprehensive drone detection and interception system will need to be developed.

    These smaller drones are going to be quite the headache in the near future, especially when they start using real swarming tactics with explosive kamikaze drones.

    Apparently even the vaunted NEBO-M system has problems detecting such tiny drones.
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:40 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Considering what happened in Armenia a much more comprehensive drone detection and interception system will need to be developed.

    These smaller drones are going to be quite the headache in the near future, especially when they start using real swarming tactics with explosive kamikaze drones.

    Apparently even the vaunted NEBO-M system has problems detecting such tiny drones.
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    These systems are designed for targets that are wholly dissimilar with drones except for the small RCS. That they've managed to adapt the Nebo-M to detect targets outside of its normal purview with simply detection algorithm tweaks says a lot. Imagine what they could do with systems designed for the task?
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    Post  LMFS Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:41 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Considering what happened in Armenia a much more comprehensive drone detection and interception system will need to be developed.

    These smaller drones are going to be quite the headache in the near future, especially when they start using real swarming tactics with explosive kamikaze drones.

    Apparently even the vaunted NEBO-M system has problems detecting such tiny drones.

    Precisely Nebo detects even ridiculously small drones that have essentially no military value at a good distance, the bigger ones would be detected and eliminated much sooner.
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    Post  Hole Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:52 pm

    Some anti-drone systems

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    Repellent
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    Luch-PRO
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    Zont

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:02 pm

    LMFS wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Considering what happened in Armenia a much more comprehensive drone detection and interception system will need to be developed.

    These smaller drones are going to be quite the headache in the near future, especially when they start using real swarming tactics with explosive kamikaze drones.

    Apparently even the vaunted NEBO-M system has problems detecting such tiny drones.

    Precisely Nebo detects even ridiculously small drones that have essentially no military value at a good distance, the bigger ones would be detected and eliminated much sooner.

    Not only that if Nebo-M (RLM-D - Self-propelled AESA radar based on L band Protivnik G design*) is capable of sending out higher output pulses of L-Band emissions, it would already be extremely capable of defeating drones without external aid as was shown here:

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Radiation effects of High-Power Microwave(HPM) pulse on the UAV's datalink and Ground Control Station(GCS) antenna.
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    Apparently the effects on a drone's circuit board.
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    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7921p25-nti-drone-warfare#296938
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:04 pm

    Hole wrote:Some anti-drone systems

    Russian defence against drone swarms - Page 8 000260
    Repellent
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    Luch-PRO
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    Zont

    There's also this posted almost a whole year ago:
    George1 wrote:Some promising Russian means of fighting unmanned aerial vehicles

    As the Vector Scientific Research Institute JSC (part of the Vega Concern of the Ruselectronika Holding) reports in its press release, the enterprise took part in the VII All-Russian Scientific and Practical Conference Russian Technologies of Anti-Terrorism Protection, Security and Defense, which is held in Kaluga potentially dangerous objects. "

    At the venue of the event, the Scientific Research Institute “Vector” presents the key developments of the enterprise in the field of monitoring the environment of critical objects in order to identify unauthorized UAVs and counteract them - passive coherent location complex (PCL), Cheremukha control channel detection module and small UAV radio-electronic suppression module “ Sickle".

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    Passive coherent location complex (PCL) (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"

    PKL provides the location and tracking of UAVs in a guarded zone, and also controls the drone's movement path when it is suppressed. At the same time, the product uses third-party sources of radio signals to illuminate the targets and is a passive system that does not emit unmasking signals.

    The “Bird cherry” module provides the ability to detect, direction finding and positioning both the drone itself and its control panel, while having the ability to simultaneously operate on several UAVs.

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    Module "Bird cherry" (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"

       The “Sickle” electronic suppression module provides suppression of small UAVs in the angle sector ± 45º and at a distance of up to 20 km, providing continuous frequency overlap in the range from 400 to 6200 MG currently used for UAV control, as well as all frequencies of global navigation satellite systems. The module creates interference, aimed in frequency and direction, upon command from detection and radio monitoring equipment. The counteraction system can include an arbitrary number of suppression modules, thereby solving the tasks of protecting against UAV flying from several directions at the same time, and protecting extended and area objects.

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    Radio-electronic suppression module "Sickle" (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"

       “All the described modules can be combined into a single complex that solves the problem of protection against UAVs. A specific solution - the choice of modification, the determination of the required number of modules, their distribution over the territory of the protected facility, the allocation of each module of its area of ​​responsibility - is carried out at the stage of project development according to customer requirements, taking into account the configuration of the facility and the threat model. At the same time, the undoubted advantages of our system are the ability to ensure stealth of use, detection of stealth objects, the absence of interference with other radio engineering devices, and the need to obtain permission to use radio frequency channels, ”said Sergey Skorykh, Director General of Research Institute Vektor.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3820848.html

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7921p25-nti-drone-warfare#267938

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    Post  AlfaT8 Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:02 am

    Good to see such systems underway. Wink

    All i have been seeing were these singular anti-drone guns, so i was worried after what happened in Armenia that more comprehensive systems were being neglected.

    And yes the NEBO is indeed excellent, but such things like Trees or Mountains will always be an issue.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:35 am

    Russian systems have been protecting Hmeimim for years now without a failure, that is why they don't make it to the news... Russian PVO is up to date vs. drones, and these should not be overestimated as if they were weapons of total annihilation, they carry very small payloads in very small numbers, any proper artillery barrage still is and will be much more effective, its problem in the informational warfare is that it does not record its effects...
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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:48 am

    Hmeimim is a base. Now facing a drone attack on the front where your AD are not 100m away from the target but further away and in less numbers makes the interception a bit harder.

    But then if you face only drones means the enemy is quite weak and will face real aviation which mean enemy important target will be destroyed the first day.

    AD is just a way of dealing with them. The other one is to attack those drones and their operating centers on the ground. And fir that Russia needs more ELINT plateform. Tu-214R is very good at detection them but is also a large aircraft. Thry can now invest in a smaller one like the su-80 or use ELINT drones.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:26 pm

    SPB Spetznas, (Presidential Security) armed with Anti-Drone weapon
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:21 pm

    Russia knows what it needs to do with drones.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:37 pm

    9F60213 'Adjutant' full-scope all-aspect training system of Air Defence formations.
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    Post  Hole Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:43 pm

    Back to anti-drone weapons: Ataka-Trofi

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:12 pm

    Remote control is a real weakness of drones, especially small non-autonomous ones that are used for purposes where they
    cannot be made autonomous. Whatever control signal they have can be localized rapidly and even it is quantum encripted it
    can be jammed. And local jamming can be very effective since the control signal amplitude cannot be arbitrarily dialed
    to overcome it.

    Too much Hollywood cheesy scifi permeates the "thinking" of fanbois on the subject of drone swarms.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:28 am

    More effective than jamming.... shelling or bombing the source of the signal will get rid of the nerds supporting drone operations which is the first step to draining the swamp...

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    Post  lyle6 Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:25 pm

    GarryB wrote:More effective than jamming.... shelling or bombing the source of the signal will get rid of the nerds supporting drone operations which is the first step to draining the swamp...

    I remember following the events in Donbass (pol, or maybe was it wm? I forgot), and there was this group of enterprising Ukrainians who have this bright idea of procuring jammers against micro UAVs. These same drones you see, have been instrumental in the Russians blowing their shit up left and right and its about time they have had enough of. So, in the jammer arrives, and the Orlan-10s start dropping just as planned - but not that much later, and lo and behold they still get artillery and rocket salvos right where these jammers are stationed! Turns out the Russians have emitter locators nearby just waiting for this sort of thing to occur. In their haste to counter the salient threat, the Ukrainians just exposed themselves to yet another one. That's some crazy advanced getting in you enemy's OODA loop stuff, and shows why the Russians are handily winning when they themselves know what the enemy is doing before he could even realize it on his own.

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    Post  Isos Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:16 pm

    Jammer are no different than radar. It send a signal and can be triangulated just like any source of EM waves with the right tool.

    Now they mount such ELINT stuff on drones but it would be better if they had a small aircraft with 2 or 3 operators inside since drones are easy fool/jamm/destroy, specially to big drone that carry such stuff.

    They have the il-112 that can be equiped with a lot of EW/ELINT packages and turn around the front line and listen to enemy signals.

    They have the tu-214R but it's a big aircraft and have only 2 or 3 of them. You don't always need such big plateforme for such mission all the time.

    We saw that they need such aircraft pretty much anywhere where there are tensions. IMO some 15 il-112 would be nice to back up the tu-214R which is more expensive to operate.

    They could even use a smaller plateforme like the sukhoi s-80.

    Small countries would also be interested by like Algeria, India, Vietnam... they can easily sell some 15-20 which is a good number for an ELINT aircraft.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:58 am

    You could also develop artillery rockets with seeker heads that home in on the jammer signal... when you launch your drones get your rocket artillery ready to fire in any direction you detect a jammer signal... or your drone detects the jammer signal... just because your drone has been jammed does not mean it can't send a radio signal indicating its location and the direction of the jamming. Most modern real drones (as opposed to remotely piloted drones flown like model planes) can usually return to base on autopilot when their communications signal is jammed.

    As soon as jamming is detected the rockets can be launched to deal with the problem... if they get their quickly enough the mission might not even need to be aborted...

    The reality is that poor countries can buy all sorts of drones and drown launched weapons, but it is the richer more powerful countries that can buy all the extra kit that makes the drones safer and using drones against them much more dangerous and expensive in terms of lives.
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