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It should be noted that ECM in all likelihood would sever/break lines of communication and targeting, with all PGM's barring ones with back up inertial guidance. PGM's with inertial guidance aren't completely immune from ECM, Maser's such as Krashukya-4 would fry the circuitry of PGM's with a direct beam of microwaves, and this is taken even further with Peresvet a nuclear pump laser, which combines both DEW and ECM, it's a Laser and a Maser rolled in to one.
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magnumcromagnon wrote:kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-27/can-american-drone-swarms-beat-russias-anti-missile-systems
Yeah, Russians are too dumb to handle such yanqui brilliance. Who invented MLRS, dipwads? So now you
capitalist puritans are all about Leninist quantity has a quality all its own, eh. To an informed observer,
this looks a lot like clutching at the straws of desperation. You know, Russia is the world leader in EW.
You forgot to add the Soviet/Russian navy pioneered swarm missile tactics for at least 50 years now. A multitude of Soviet era and contemporary Russian Ashm's have 'wolf-pack' swarming algorithms built in to their software.
Thanks for pointing this out. If they thought of such attacks, then by definition they thought about how defend against such attacks.
As usual, the yanquis are a day late and a dollar short while chest thumping about their exceptionalist superiority.
Stupid chimps: Hubris is followed by Nemesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris
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https://jakartagreater.com/terbukti-di-suriah-rusia-akan-baptis-tiga-senjata-lawan-isis/
“Medium and large electromagnetic weapons made by Automatica Concern are dubbed "Ram" and "Peregrine Falcon". The latter is the most powerful and is designed to fight all types of drones, ranging from a small reconnaissance machine to those armed with bombs or missiles.
Peregrine Falcon detects UAVs via multi-channel tracking systems in the infrared, visual, radio and radar spectrum at distances of up to 100 km. Peregrine Falcon will detect it, follow it on the radar and "turn it off". However, if this drone carries a weapon and cannot be overcome with the electromagnetic spectrum, the "Peregrine Falcon" will send their coordinates to air defense systems such as Pantsir-S1 which will then fire a 30 mm caliber bullet.
Stationary medium range anti-jamming electromagnetic rifles are referred to as "Ram" and are very effective against large-scale UAV attacks from various directions. When a drone is detected, it immediately "builds up" a very strong electromagnetic field around a base that is capable of disabling a drone. Although it has many frequencies, electromagnetic wave radiation is completely harmless to people under the dome.”
Does anyone have more reports about these EW weapons? The Russians also have systems like the repellent-1 to dispose of drones. All the action going on right now is in Damascus I am sure that most of Russia's EW systems are located at Latakia near their s-400. Saudi Arabia should invest EW systems.
“Medium and large electromagnetic weapons made by Automatica Concern are dubbed "Ram" and "Peregrine Falcon". The latter is the most powerful and is designed to fight all types of drones, ranging from a small reconnaissance machine to those armed with bombs or missiles.
Peregrine Falcon detects UAVs via multi-channel tracking systems in the infrared, visual, radio and radar spectrum at distances of up to 100 km. Peregrine Falcon will detect it, follow it on the radar and "turn it off". However, if this drone carries a weapon and cannot be overcome with the electromagnetic spectrum, the "Peregrine Falcon" will send their coordinates to air defense systems such as Pantsir-S1 which will then fire a 30 mm caliber bullet.
Stationary medium range anti-jamming electromagnetic rifles are referred to as "Ram" and are very effective against large-scale UAV attacks from various directions. When a drone is detected, it immediately "builds up" a very strong electromagnetic field around a base that is capable of disabling a drone. Although it has many frequencies, electromagnetic wave radiation is completely harmless to people under the dome.”
Does anyone have more reports about these EW weapons? The Russians also have systems like the repellent-1 to dispose of drones. All the action going on right now is in Damascus I am sure that most of Russia's EW systems are located at Latakia near their s-400. Saudi Arabia should invest EW systems.
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thegopnik wrote:
Does anyone have more reports about these EW weapons?
These sound like EMP type systems. Most of the stuff is classified and there isn't much public info on them...I couldn't find anything on the "Peregrine Falcon" and "Ram"
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Research Institute "Vector" on UAV counteraction systems
Our blog has already published an interview with the director general of the Research Institute "Vector" (part of the Holding "Roselectronics") Sergei Skorykh. We also managed to visit the enterprise itself and get acquainted with the Sickle product, designed for radio suppression of small UAVs.
Sickle system.
Suppresses communication channels, control and satellite navigation system UAV (s) bmpd
Our blog has already published an interview with the director general of the Research Institute "Vector" (part of the Holding "Roselectronics") Sergei Skorykh. We also managed to visit the enterprise itself and get acquainted with the Sickle product, designed for radio suppression of small UAVs.
Sickle system.
Suppresses communication channels, control and satellite navigation system UAV (s) bmpd
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Some promising Russian means of fighting unmanned aerial vehicles
As the Vector Scientific Research Institute JSC (part of the Vega Concern of the Ruselectronika Holding) reports in its press release, the enterprise took part in the VII All-Russian Scientific and Practical Conference Russian Technologies of Anti-Terrorism Protection, Security and Defense, which is held in Kaluga potentially dangerous objects. "
At the venue of the event, the Scientific Research Institute “Vector” presents the key developments of the enterprise in the field of monitoring the environment of critical objects in order to identify unauthorized UAVs and counteract them - passive coherent location complex (PCL), Cheremukha control channel detection module and small UAV radio-electronic suppression module “ Sickle".
Passive coherent location complex (PCL) (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"
PKL provides the location and tracking of UAVs in a guarded zone, and also controls the drone's movement path when it is suppressed. At the same time, the product uses third-party sources of radio signals to illuminate the targets and is a passive system that does not emit unmasking signals.
The “Bird cherry” module provides the ability to detect, direction finding and positioning both the drone itself and its control panel, while having the ability to simultaneously operate on several UAVs.
Module "Bird cherry" (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"
The “Sickle” electronic suppression module provides suppression of small UAVs in the angle sector ± 45º and at a distance of up to 20 km, providing continuous frequency overlap in the range from 400 to 6200 MG currently used for UAV control, as well as all frequencies of global navigation satellite systems. The module creates interference, aimed in frequency and direction, upon command from detection and radio monitoring equipment. The counteraction system can include an arbitrary number of suppression modules, thereby solving the tasks of protecting against UAV flying from several directions at the same time, and protecting extended and area objects.
Radio-electronic suppression module "Sickle" (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"
“All the described modules can be combined into a single complex that solves the problem of protection against UAVs. A specific solution - the choice of modification, the determination of the required number of modules, their distribution over the territory of the protected facility, the allocation of each module of its area of responsibility - is carried out at the stage of project development according to customer requirements, taking into account the configuration of the facility and the threat model. At the same time, the undoubted advantages of our system are the ability to ensure stealth of use, detection of stealth objects, the absence of interference with other radio engineering devices, and the need to obtain permission to use radio frequency channels, ”said Sergey Skorykh, Director General of Research Institute Vektor.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3820848.html
As the Vector Scientific Research Institute JSC (part of the Vega Concern of the Ruselectronika Holding) reports in its press release, the enterprise took part in the VII All-Russian Scientific and Practical Conference Russian Technologies of Anti-Terrorism Protection, Security and Defense, which is held in Kaluga potentially dangerous objects. "
At the venue of the event, the Scientific Research Institute “Vector” presents the key developments of the enterprise in the field of monitoring the environment of critical objects in order to identify unauthorized UAVs and counteract them - passive coherent location complex (PCL), Cheremukha control channel detection module and small UAV radio-electronic suppression module “ Sickle".
Passive coherent location complex (PCL) (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"
PKL provides the location and tracking of UAVs in a guarded zone, and also controls the drone's movement path when it is suppressed. At the same time, the product uses third-party sources of radio signals to illuminate the targets and is a passive system that does not emit unmasking signals.
The “Bird cherry” module provides the ability to detect, direction finding and positioning both the drone itself and its control panel, while having the ability to simultaneously operate on several UAVs.
Module "Bird cherry" (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"
The “Sickle” electronic suppression module provides suppression of small UAVs in the angle sector ± 45º and at a distance of up to 20 km, providing continuous frequency overlap in the range from 400 to 6200 MG currently used for UAV control, as well as all frequencies of global navigation satellite systems. The module creates interference, aimed in frequency and direction, upon command from detection and radio monitoring equipment. The counteraction system can include an arbitrary number of suppression modules, thereby solving the tasks of protecting against UAV flying from several directions at the same time, and protecting extended and area objects.
Radio-electronic suppression module "Sickle" (c) JSC Research Institute "Vector"
“All the described modules can be combined into a single complex that solves the problem of protection against UAVs. A specific solution - the choice of modification, the determination of the required number of modules, their distribution over the territory of the protected facility, the allocation of each module of its area of responsibility - is carried out at the stage of project development according to customer requirements, taking into account the configuration of the facility and the threat model. At the same time, the undoubted advantages of our system are the ability to ensure stealth of use, detection of stealth objects, the absence of interference with other radio engineering devices, and the need to obtain permission to use radio frequency channels, ”said Sergey Skorykh, Director General of Research Institute Vektor.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3820848.html
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Radiation effects of High-Power Microwave(HPM) pulse on the UAV's datalink and Ground Control Station(GCS) antenna.
Apparently the effects on a drone's circuit board.
Apparently the effects on a drone's circuit board.
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So if they use for exemple the Irbis radar and focus the beam like when it tracks one target (max power at very small era) and move it randomly in the air, if it "touches" an UAV it should be enough yo damage it.
Using L band radars should be even better.
The main issue is that it needs to be a very focus beam.
Using L band radars should be even better.
The main issue is that it needs to be a very focus beam.
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Isos wrote:So if they use for exemple the Irbis radar and focus the beam like when it tracks one target (max power at very small era) and move it randomly in the air, if it "touches" an UAV it should be enough yo damage it.
Using L band radars should be even better.
The main issue is that it needs to be a very focus beam.
Indeed, except it doesn't necessarily need to be a focus beam it could be a pulse of a (much) higher power emission for a (very) short period of time. The massive boost of power emitted wouldn't be good for the longevity of the system in a continuous manner, but it be would OK for a fraction of a second output.
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So many Youtube videos "disappeared" under the pretext of copyright. A lot of these Youtube copyright claims are bogus and not by the
original owners of the video. They also totally violate fair use. If video is put on public platforms like TV and internet streaming it is
no longer protected as totally private. People can use parts of it for all sorts of reasons. Youtube censors just succor these copyright
trolls as a tool to control information flow.
Back OT. The new R-37M missile can be used against heavy drones and is now light and small enough to be carried by Su-3X fighters
and not just the Mig-31. All sorts of "experts" were claiming Russia would have a hard time replacing the R-37 since a lot of its
parts were made in ex-Ukraine now known as Banderastan. Well, Russia not only replaced the parts, it massively improve the missile.
original owners of the video. They also totally violate fair use. If video is put on public platforms like TV and internet streaming it is
no longer protected as totally private. People can use parts of it for all sorts of reasons. Youtube censors just succor these copyright
trolls as a tool to control information flow.
Back OT. The new R-37M missile can be used against heavy drones and is now light and small enough to be carried by Su-3X fighters
and not just the Mig-31. All sorts of "experts" were claiming Russia would have a hard time replacing the R-37 since a lot of its
parts were made in ex-Ukraine now known as Banderastan. Well, Russia not only replaced the parts, it massively improve the missile.
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Actually they produced new AAMs in families and there is actually a new family for the new generation aircraft that includes a new internally carried much longer range AAM... it is called Izd 810 and is described as having 1.6 to 9 times greater range than the R-37M depending on the launch conditions...
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https://www.vega.su/press-room/?ELEMENT_ID=2434
The Vega concern of the Ruselectronics holding (part of Rostec) presented the latest developments to ensure the safety of facilities during the Russian Industrialist International Forum in St. Petersburg. The anti-drone system effectively protects against unauthorized flights, and smart power optimizers - against voltage surges.
The UAV countermeasure system "Aegida", developed by the Research Institute "Vector" (part of the Concern "Vega" holding "Ruselectronics"), determines the location of the drone, breaks the control channel and controls the trajectory of its movement after suppression. The product uses third-party radio signal sources to illuminate targets and is a passive system that does not emit unmasking signals. "Aegis" provides suppression of small UAVs in the sector of angles of ± 45º and at a distance of up to 20 km, providing continuous coverage in frequencies in the range from 400 to 6200 MG, which are currently used to control copters, as well as all frequencies of global navigation satellite systems. By the end of the first quarter of 2021, it is planned to complete tests of the modernized complex and begin delivering it to the market.
Also, the Research Institute "Vector" presented digital energy optimizers at the forum. They record and automatically equalize voltage drops, rises or sharp fluctuations, which saves energy consumption, significantly increases the reliability of power supply systems for facilities and the service life of equipment. The device is designed to normalize the power supply supplied to the consumer in general-purpose networks with a rated voltage of 380/220 V and a frequency of 50 Hz.
The device uses an intelligent control and monitoring system, providing the user with remote access to detailed information about the current parameters of electricity consumption. The equipment also provides information archiving and emergency logging.
“In the modern world, new challenges are emerging very rapidly in terms of protecting industrial and social facilities from various types of threats. And if the topic of protection against unauthorized drone flights is far from new, then the coronavirus pandemic has very sharply raised the issue of protecting medical institutions from voltage surges. Due to the increase in electrical equipment in hospitals, the load on the electrical grid has increased significantly. Therefore, today we see a great demand for devices to ensure the uninterrupted operation of power supply systems, ”noted Andrei Sorokin, director of commercial activities at the Vector Research Institute.
The Vega concern of the Ruselectronics holding (part of Rostec) presented the latest developments to ensure the safety of facilities during the Russian Industrialist International Forum in St. Petersburg. The anti-drone system effectively protects against unauthorized flights, and smart power optimizers - against voltage surges.
The UAV countermeasure system "Aegida", developed by the Research Institute "Vector" (part of the Concern "Vega" holding "Ruselectronics"), determines the location of the drone, breaks the control channel and controls the trajectory of its movement after suppression. The product uses third-party radio signal sources to illuminate targets and is a passive system that does not emit unmasking signals. "Aegis" provides suppression of small UAVs in the sector of angles of ± 45º and at a distance of up to 20 km, providing continuous coverage in frequencies in the range from 400 to 6200 MG, which are currently used to control copters, as well as all frequencies of global navigation satellite systems. By the end of the first quarter of 2021, it is planned to complete tests of the modernized complex and begin delivering it to the market.
Also, the Research Institute "Vector" presented digital energy optimizers at the forum. They record and automatically equalize voltage drops, rises or sharp fluctuations, which saves energy consumption, significantly increases the reliability of power supply systems for facilities and the service life of equipment. The device is designed to normalize the power supply supplied to the consumer in general-purpose networks with a rated voltage of 380/220 V and a frequency of 50 Hz.
The device uses an intelligent control and monitoring system, providing the user with remote access to detailed information about the current parameters of electricity consumption. The equipment also provides information archiving and emergency logging.
“In the modern world, new challenges are emerging very rapidly in terms of protecting industrial and social facilities from various types of threats. And if the topic of protection against unauthorized drone flights is far from new, then the coronavirus pandemic has very sharply raised the issue of protecting medical institutions from voltage surges. Due to the increase in electrical equipment in hospitals, the load on the electrical grid has increased significantly. Therefore, today we see a great demand for devices to ensure the uninterrupted operation of power supply systems, ”noted Andrei Sorokin, director of commercial activities at the Vector Research Institute.
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In Russia, the development of a new complex to combat shock drones began
In Russia, the development of the latest long-range radar surveillance complex based on a helicopter-type drone has begun. Reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.
According to the publication, the enterprises of the Russian defense industry have already begun to develop a new drone designed to aim anti-aircraft systems at enemy attack drones.
Since November, the development of an unmanned helicopter for a long-range radar patrol has been underway, which will track small and low-speed enemy drones at low and extremely low altitudes and ensure the guidance of anti-aircraft missile systems of military air defense at them
- quotes the news agency as saying the interlocutor.
The work on the new project was initiated based on an analysis of the experience of recent local military conflicts, including the war in Nagorno-Karabakh. The work was not started from scratch, the development uses the existing groundwork. The source said the new complex will be created "as soon as possible." Other details of the new development have not yet been given.
Note that the experience of recent military conflicts has shown the increased role of unmanned aviation in all its forms, from reconnaissance to striking.
https://en.topwar.ru/177802-v-rossii-nachalas-razrabotka-novogo-kompleksa-dlja-borby-s-udarnymi-bespilotnikami.html
In Russia, the development of the latest long-range radar surveillance complex based on a helicopter-type drone has begun. Reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the military-industrial complex.
According to the publication, the enterprises of the Russian defense industry have already begun to develop a new drone designed to aim anti-aircraft systems at enemy attack drones.
Since November, the development of an unmanned helicopter for a long-range radar patrol has been underway, which will track small and low-speed enemy drones at low and extremely low altitudes and ensure the guidance of anti-aircraft missile systems of military air defense at them
- quotes the news agency as saying the interlocutor.
The work on the new project was initiated based on an analysis of the experience of recent local military conflicts, including the war in Nagorno-Karabakh. The work was not started from scratch, the development uses the existing groundwork. The source said the new complex will be created "as soon as possible." Other details of the new development have not yet been given.
Note that the experience of recent military conflicts has shown the increased role of unmanned aviation in all its forms, from reconnaissance to striking.
https://en.topwar.ru/177802-v-rossii-nachalas-razrabotka-novogo-kompleksa-dlja-borby-s-udarnymi-bespilotnikami.html
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Like the US and other countries Russia is developing anti-drone lasers. It just has not been making a big PR campaign
about it. So people assume it can't handle this task.
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Looks like the US and Turkish airbases are much more vulnerable to drones than any Russian ones.
Turkey launched an investigation into the incident at the Incirlik airbase
Keep in mind the Incirlink airbase hosts nuclear weapons. If they can't defend against small drones, then they probably can't be defended against cruise missile, but then again NORAD wasn't even capable of preventing 747's from slamming in to the Twin Towers so Uncle Sham's air defense was always pathetic!
Turkey launched an investigation into the incident at the Incirlik airbase
Keep in mind the Incirlink airbase hosts nuclear weapons. If they can't defend against small drones, then they probably can't be defended against cruise missile, but then again NORAD wasn't even capable of preventing 747's from slamming in to the Twin Towers so Uncle Sham's air defense was always pathetic!
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Yet again Iranian guard drones monitor US Navy ships with impunity, truly embarrassing because it looks like they were monitored within 5km distance, the drone itself has fixed landing gear to boot (which would make it easier to detect 
).... 
The fixed landing gear looks like it's from the Iranian Qods Mohajer-2 surveillance UAV:
For some perspective, the Mohajer-2 is no small Micro-UAV....it's about the same size of a small car:
).... Republished images of US fleet surveillance in the Persian Gulf by Iranian Guard drones....
https://twitter.com/Suribelle1/status/1346192417536561152
The fixed landing gear looks like it's from the Iranian Qods Mohajer-2 surveillance UAV:
For some perspective, the Mohajer-2 is no small Micro-UAV....it's about the same size of a small car:
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Is this the manned version or why does this guy need a helmet?
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You just don't know when parts of the drone can fall on your head. Safety first!
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His job to catch it if the parachute recovery system fails?
Or he just arrived on site and came by motor bike...
Or he just arrived on site and came by motor bike...
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He is in pilot suit. I guess he came to check the drone with a motorbike.
But the helmet looks like from cosmonaute suits.
But the helmet looks like from cosmonaute suits.
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Exercise in the Central District for anti-drone warfare.
Is interesting that, in this exercise, the three main components constituting the the three main layers of the anti-drone approach of domestic Ground Forces battallions
-First: EW systems of various kind (here represented by "Поле-21" "Житель" and "Свет-КУ)
-Second: Hard kill destruction of the UAV (here represented by "Тор-М1"
-Third: Large scale masking/decoying (here represented by "ТДА-3"
has been executed as separated episodes.
In this way has been possible to ascertain against different kind of tactical UAV the impact of each component separately so to plan the best force composition but also ascertain the possibility to counteract UAVs of various kind by part of ground forces devoid of one or more of those anti-drone systems.
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The most important should be to create an ELINT system that can find the command posts of the drones to destroy them.
Turkish use radio link with repeters every 200km. Tyry are harder to replace than drones.
Tu-214R should be able to do that.
Turkish use radio link with repeters every 200km. Tyry are harder to replace than drones.
Tu-214R should be able to do that.
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Isos wrote:The most important should be to create an ELINT system that can find the command posts of the drones to destroy them.
Turkish use radio link with repeters every 200km. Tyry are harder to replace than drones.
Tu-214R should be able to do that.
Ground stations that can intercept and decode radio signals could use triangulation for this purpose. You would probably get a "zone" which needs to be scanned by a sensor with higher degree of accuracy like a drone. Then send in artilery or strike aviaton to bomb them.
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