You weren't there man, you weren't there!!!
I was not where?
I was very active on mp.net, I remember Big D's "I don't like Russia" statement.
He has more respect from me than those people I mentioned.
His remarks are not that bad in respect to the literal antichrist of butthurt that used to be on these Ukraine threads.
The implications of that I don't like Russia aren't equivalent to its formulation. It was said so in order to avoid the hammer. His obvious scheme isn't far away from XJ220 and the other morons. It's disruption by any means of the discussion. "NAF built it out of lego" comment was case to the point. Bar some people for various reasons, we know that there's direct support from Russia. We know this. The extent is debatable, but not the core. We are to the point that a sovereign state is using SRBM's againt a part of its own people, in what is called CTO. I don't think some of you understand this. I see much cheer leading for bloodshed. At least kind of. And while I might be guilty of seeing this as a straight out war, it shouldn't be treated as such. It's a civil war and has huge implications for the people under fire. What people like Dforce and the exact counterpart on the Anti-Ukrop side do is that they completely trivialize what is happening and do exactly what the supposedly pro-Democracy guys accuse Russia of doing. IE make out of this a showdown with Russia without a gram of compassion for the civilians. That logic enables people like Dforce or Flagship to pontificate on their anti-whatever sentiment (although with Dforce we know it's simply anti-Russia, we have yet to find the exact extent of the opposition when it comes to Flagship Haushauffer.)
Take his recent views on the Gulf of Tonkin "incident". It's ignorance and prejudice in a shaker. The more I explain how it works, the less people tend to realize that there's nothing useful about his input. On every point he's behind the curve and serves at best as a drum box. If you want to have some tea with him, why not. If you find him better than people who ONCE said what they thought about him, then you have a serious problem, since I personally am of the same advice like sektor, he isn't welcomed, just tolerated. I find garbage far more irritating than lunacy. But you're entitled to your opinion.
Khepesh wrote:Yet what you seem to be essentially saying is that Kiev will not use air arm because Kremlin will not like it and things will get bad for Kiev? But what I am saying is when the war begins it is very likely that Kiev junta will be fighting for their lives, is that not already bad, what will they have to loose. When the time comes and a VSN breakthro occurs towards Slavyansk, perhaps Izyum and certainly Berdyansk, and this will, in purely military terms have to happen if all Donetsk and Lugansk are to be liberated, and ykrops are in dissaray, will not Kiev even then use it's air force because something "bad" might happen? Is Givi to be sitting in his tank in front of Mariinsky before ukrops use aircraft.
There's no chance in hell Ukraine's leadership thinks it's going down Untergang style. They know it, you know it, I know it. The conditions which would see Ukraine get rid of its top filth aren't met yet and will not be met under the current Russian support scheme for NAF. IF the VSN breaks through, then UA AF planes are useless already, given the absolute abysmal communication level and the lack of coordination from UA. They will end up bombing their own, if the CAS really comes from Ukraine. Furthermore as I said, the only possibility to engage the NAF with airpower would be at the beginning of the offensive or counter offensive, not while NAF has broken through. The idea here is that Ukraine might claim they're fending off attacks, but the reality doesn't match. Especially since BUK's and Tor's can cover the whole AO without much issue. If NAF makes a run for Krammatorsk or Slaviansk which is leaps and bounds from the current operational pace, then something has gone awry. And that's between Moscow and somewhere else but Kiev. But that would mean, that the little Voentorg charade is over and Russia is going through.