Khepesh wrote:An interesting comment under the video.........Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this now, or last year?
Trains Ukrainian armored vehicles moving towards an endless stream of Donbass
Which one exactly?
Khepesh wrote:An interesting comment under the video.........Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this now, or last year?
Trains Ukrainian armored vehicles moving towards an endless stream of Donbass
Chersonesus wrote:Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this now, or last year?
Trains Ukrainian armored vehicles moving towards an endless stream of Donbass
FWIW, my non-expert observations
i) There doesn't appear to be any heavy weaponry, just about 14 support/supply vehicles and about 36 BMPs (I hope that is right). Some of the BMPs do not appear to have turrets so maybe they are other types of vehicle? The hardware certainly isn't the shiny stuff shown off by Turchynov a few days ago.
ii) There is a very sombre feel to the whole thing. The troops, apart from a couple waving a flag, are silent, as are most of the civilians watching. This does not have the feel of a confident military heading to battle with the support of the civilian population.
About fifty main comments down, not including the replies, no photo avatar, Иван Петров. It fits with other info, tho not the eye opening part which must be stuffing. This is not unexpected.Neutrality wrote:
Which one exactly?
Khepesh wrote:An interesting comment under the video.........Cowboy's daughter wrote:Is this now, or last year?
Trains Ukrainian armored vehicles moving towards an endless stream of Donbass
It's nothing to do with the video or ukrops........KoTeMoRe wrote:
Aboy Krasniy Luch? Well could be, however the vehicles wrecked correspond in both camo and commo.
Khepesh wrote:About fifty main comments down, not including the replies, no photo avatar, Иван Петров. It fits with other info, tho not the eye opening part which must be stuffing. This is not unexpected.Neutrality wrote:
Which one exactly?
Ivan the Colorado wrote:Of course Novorossiya wants to push VSU forces out of striking range but they are not strong enough. Lesson learned from Debaltsevo when the NAF had to call up some vacationers to finish the job for them because the NAF was in bad shape. I'm sure you have heard the NAF is conducting intensive training for a few months now though. It takes sometime to churn out a quality fighter. The NAF is looking to shove the VSU back in the long term as they certainly are not ready now.
Or may not receive an answer ...........Khepesh wrote:And at Prokhorovka on the Volnovakha front are reported 20 Helicopters. At Krasny Luch there are clearly no helicopters, but tanks moving thro should not be discounted. remember last winter, and if not, then do not ask as some questions do not require an answer....
Khepesh wrote:And at Prokhorovka on the Volnovakha front are reported 20 Helicopters. At Krasny Luch there are clearly no helicopters, but tanks moving thro should not be discounted. remember last winter, and if not, then do not ask as some questions do not require an answer....
Prokhorovka https://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=37.667563%2C47.528061&z=16&l=mapNeutrality wrote:Khepesh wrote:And at Prokhorovka on the Volnovakha front are reported 20 Helicopters. At Krasny Luch there are clearly no helicopters, but tanks moving thro should not be discounted. remember last winter, and if not, then do not ask as some questions do not require an answer....
Which Krasniy Luch exactly? There is a Krasniy Luch near Antracit and Krasniy Luch near Slavyanoserbsk.
Where exactly is Prokorovka btw?
Khepesh wrote:Prokhorovka https://maps.yandex.ru/?ll=37.667563%2C47.528061&z=16&l=mapNeutrality wrote:Khepesh wrote:And at Prokhorovka on the Volnovakha front are reported 20 Helicopters. At Krasny Luch there are clearly no helicopters, but tanks moving thro should not be discounted. remember last winter, and if not, then do not ask as some questions do not require an answer....
Which Krasniy Luch exactly? There is a Krasniy Luch near Antracit and Krasniy Luch near Slavyanoserbsk.
Where exactly is Prokorovka btw?
Krasny Luch by Antratsit. Residents of Snezhnoe, Torez etc see "stuff" often.
It would be interesting to know what state their airforce is in now, not very good of course, but I think likely better than this time last year. Perhaps they make the calculation that at least they have an airforce and VSN have nothing, so why not use it. For instance, yes, VSN can throw up a lot of AD, but in a future war between any countries that have airpower, do you not use it simply because the enemy have a defence. If so, then no country will use airpower, or tanks, because there are very good AT systems, or infantry because there are MG and artillery. I think if you have the capability then it should be used, and if they all get shot down, well, it's war.Neutrality wrote:
The Ukrops are clearly retards then if they decided to include helicopters again.
Khepesh wrote:It's nothing to do with the video or ukrops........KoTeMoRe wrote:
Aboy Krasniy Luch? Well could be, however the vehicles wrecked correspond in both camo and commo.
Khepesh wrote:It would be interesting to know what state their airforce is in now, not very good of course, but I think likely better than this time last year. Perhaps they make the calculation that at least they have an airforce and VSN have nothing, so why not use it. For instance, yes, VSN can throw up a lot of AD, but in a future war between any countries that have airpower, do you not use it simply because the enemy have a defence. If so, then no country will use airpower, or tanks, because there are very good AT systems, or infantry because there are MG and artillery. I think if you have the capability then it should be used, and if they all get shot down, well, it's war.Neutrality wrote:
The Ukrops are clearly retards then if they decided to include helicopters again.
Khepesh wrote:It would be interesting to know what state their airforce is in now, not very good of course, but I think likely better than this time last year. Perhaps they make the calculation that at least they have an airforce and VSN have nothing, so why not use it. For instance, yes, VSN can throw up a lot of AD, but in a future war between any countries that have airpower, do you not use it simply because the enemy have a defence. If so, then no country will use airpower, or tanks, because there are very good AT systems, or infantry because there are MG and artillery. I think if you have the capability then it should be used, and if they all get shot down, well, it's war.Neutrality wrote:
The Ukrops are clearly retards then if they decided to include helicopters again.
KoTeMoRe wrote:Khepesh wrote:It would be interesting to know what state their airforce is in now, not very good of course, but I think likely better than this time last year. Perhaps they make the calculation that at least they have an airforce and VSN have nothing, so why not use it. For instance, yes, VSN can throw up a lot of AD, but in a future war between any countries that have airpower, do you not use it simply because the enemy have a defence. If so, then no country will use airpower, or tanks, because there are very good AT systems, or infantry because there are MG and artillery. I think if you have the capability then it should be used, and if they all get shot down, well, it's war.Neutrality wrote:
The Ukrops are clearly retards then if they decided to include helicopters again.
Look at the modernized Su27P's they're barely at 1999 level. Unless most of those were shipped in Israel or elsewhere for a total overhaul, I don't see how they're going to have better aircraft within the constraint of them being former-Soviet/WarPact. And again sources depict a very bleak picture around 2013. About 20 flyable 29's, 18 27's, 15-20 Su-25's. About 15 Su-24's. less than 50 Mil Mi 24's (with about 12 in UN livery).
All those old and under-maintained, with relatively little value against heavy airspace interdiction assets. This means that "Northern Wind" can pretty much lock and load all of the Donbass without even leaving that certain country.
auslander wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Khepesh wrote:It would be interesting to know what state their airforce is in now, not very good of course, but I think likely better than this time last year. Perhaps they make the calculation that at least they have an airforce and VSN have nothing, so why not use it. For instance, yes, VSN can throw up a lot of AD, but in a future war between any countries that have airpower, do you not use it simply because the enemy have a defence. If so, then no country will use airpower, or tanks, because there are very good AT systems, or infantry because there are MG and artillery. I think if you have the capability then it should be used, and if they all get shot down, well, it's war.Neutrality wrote:
The Ukrops are clearly retards then if they decided to include helicopters again.
Look at the modernized Su27P's they're barely at 1999 level. Unless most of those were shipped in Israel or elsewhere for a total overhaul, I don't see how they're going to have better aircraft within the constraint of them being former-Soviet/WarPact. And again sources depict a very bleak picture around 2013. About 20 flyable 29's, 18 27's, 15-20 Su-25's. About 15 Su-24's. less than 50 Mil Mi 24's (with about 12 in UN livery).
All those old and under-maintained, with relatively little value against heavy airspace interdiction assets. This means that "Northern Wind" can pretty much lock and load all of the Donbass without even leaving that certain country.
Never forget, an antique T34/76 can kill you just as dead as the most modern Armata.
KoTeMoRe wrote:auslander wrote:KoTeMoRe wrote:Khepesh wrote:It would be interesting to know what state their airforce is in now, not very good of course, but I think likely better than this time last year. Perhaps they make the calculation that at least they have an airforce and VSN have nothing, so why not use it. For instance, yes, VSN can throw up a lot of AD, but in a future war between any countries that have airpower, do you not use it simply because the enemy have a defence. If so, then no country will use airpower, or tanks, because there are very good AT systems, or infantry because there are MG and artillery. I think if you have the capability then it should be used, and if they all get shot down, well, it's war.Neutrality wrote:
The Ukrops are clearly retards then if they decided to include helicopters again.
Look at the modernized Su27P's they're barely at 1999 level. Unless most of those were shipped in Israel or elsewhere for a total overhaul, I don't see how they're going to have better aircraft within the constraint of them being former-Soviet/WarPact. And again sources depict a very bleak picture around 2013. About 20 flyable 29's, 18 27's, 15-20 Su-25's. About 15 Su-24's. less than 50 Mil Mi 24's (with about 12 in UN livery).
All those old and under-maintained, with relatively little value against heavy airspace interdiction assets. This means that "Northern Wind" can pretty much lock and load all of the Donbass without even leaving that certain country.
Never forget, an antique T34/76 can kill you just as dead as the most modern Armata.
Sure, read my previous posts about how causing damage is good for a militia/insurgency, but a national army needs to stay its ground. If the goal of engaging those airframes is to have them go Kamikaze long range AA systems, then I gladly take a couple of losses. Especially if that ensures no more UA AF or CAS.
I hardly meant they will have better equipment per se, but they will, I am sure, be better prepared for war. If VSN had an airforce I am sure they would use it, anybody would, so I am sure that ukrops will use theirs in some capacity. If a need arises to hit a VSN tank column fast, will ukrops say that they cannot possibly use their ground attack air assets because they might get shot down, as on that basis nobody leaves barracks for war as they might get shot.KoTeMoRe wrote:
Look at the modernized Su27P's they're barely at 1999 level. Unless most of those were shipped in Israel or elsewhere for a total overhaul, I don't see how they're going to have better aircraft within the constraint of them being former-Soviet/WarPact. And again sources depict a very bleak picture around 2013. About 20 flyable 29's, 18 27's, 15-20 Su-25's. About 15 Su-24's. less than 50 Mil Mi 24's (with about 12 in UN livery).
All those old and under-maintained, with relatively little value against heavy airspace interdiction assets. This means that "Northern Wind" can pretty much lock and load all of the Donbass without even leaving that certain country.
Khepesh wrote:Lukashenko has ordered the border with Ukraine strengthened. He says it is not that they fear Ukraine or that belarus has anything that Ukraine wants to attack, but to make sure that the border is secure, particulary from uncontrolled passage of arms over the border. Clearly he expects chaos soon. http://www.belta.by/president/view/lukashenko-belarusi-neobhodimo-usilivat-juzhnye-granitsy-159386-2015/
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