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    ATLASCUB

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:41 pm

    Trump cancels planned meeting with Putin at G20 over Russia-Ukraine flare up

    https://www.rt.com/news/445167-trump-cancels-planned-meeting-putin/

    US President Donald Trump has cancelled a scheduled meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin which was due to take place at the G20 Summit in Buenos Aires on Saturday.

       ....in Argentina with President Vladimir Putin. I look forward to a meaningful Summit again as soon as this situation is resolved!
       — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 29, 2018

    In other words....release the prisoners and boats or ELSE....

    Blackmail for short.

    We only have to wait and see if it works...


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  nomadski on Thu Nov 29, 2018 7:45 pm

    So is the fate of those staying in power through war . Only through confrontation and putting one side against the other side , can they gather political support . What would happen if Arab and Jew were friends ? Then the zionists could not come to power .

    Political prize should be denied them . Lucky nobody was killed . Their boats can be returned . With their engines missing as punishment !  So can the sailors . A pardon in the interest of peace ! Will take the sting out of the situation . No more martial law !  What are they going to do now ? How will they fool the people ? And make them look elsewhere .........at the Russian enemy ?

    NATO will not come to their aid  ( they won't even send economic aid ) . And even if they did . What a mistake ! Sending your boats  into a pond with no escape ! Let them come in . Syria and Ukraine are the bait to draw in the fish into the pond ! LOL .
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:28 pm


    Oh please, that cancellation was decided weeks in advance. No meeting was to happen at all.

    Phones are invented, if they decide to talk they can talk without getting their butts off the chairs.

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    Post  ATLASCUB on Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:45 pm

    Until yesterday we had daily RT articles saying the meeting was ON, according to Kremlin spokesman/sources..... "confirmed" even lol1

    Someone was looking forward to it.... perhaps too much.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  zorobabel on Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:14 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Until yesterday we had daily RT articles saying the meeting was ON, according to Kremlin spokesman/sources..... "confirmed" even lol1

    Someone was looking forward to it.... perhaps too much.
    True. I've been watching Vesti and they were very hyped about the meeting, almost giddy.

    Trump has always had a unipolar worldview, so it's not a surprise that he is now trying to force Russia to release the ships and sailors, no doubt following advice from Mattis.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:33 am

    zorobabel wrote:.....
    Trump has always had a unipolar worldview, so it's not a surprise that he is now trying to force Russia to release the ships and sailors, no doubt following advice from Mattis.

    Meh, they can always reschedule for 2 months down the road...

    Those clowns will most likely be exchanged for prisoners in Kiev
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:48 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    medo wrote:Porosjonko declared the state of war. Now the Ukraine will have to go to war. i don't think, they will go to war with Russia, but for sure they will go to new war in Donbass. Partition of Ukraine in three parts will soon happen, so Russia could simply wait with those three ships and later deliver them to Novorussian NAVY.



    Actually, unofficially Ukraine went to war against South Ossetia back in 2008:


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia



    If I were Russia I would have done everything in order for President Yanukovych to stay in power. Now Ukraine is back to its old bad habits.










    Georgian tanks burning in Tskhinval back in 2008, reportedly crewed by Ukrainian mercenaries.



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:36 pm

    Ukraine is clearly poking at Russia with a radioactive attack..

    look what Ukraine media ,controlled by US-CIA and Kiev what they are reporting in their news..

    Ukrainian Border Control Finds Radioactive Cargo in Odessa Port - Reports

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201812011070303878-border-radioactive-cargo-odessa/

    i was the first to warn about ukraine could use radiation as a weapon first.
    back in 2014 , i told Ukraine nuclear reactors can be used against Russia...

    -first lure/bait  Russia into invading Ukraine...
    -second endless false flag/staged videos of Russian killings civilians spread
     by American media and Ukraine 24 hours.. to manipulate Ukraine population opinion
    to be very furious against Russia.
    -third... Russia airforce blamed for the bombing on nuclear reactors in Ukraine..
    -fourth   Russia demanded to pay for the damages by international community..

    The Ukraine media itself ,some journalist ,have indirectly threatening before Europe ,with an "Accident" in Ukraine nuclear reactors that will spread to Europe ,if they don't come to the aid of Ukraine vs Russia. This threat happened much later ,that i warned of this..  When you understand that US goals in Ukraine are 100% economical.. that the policies of US and UK there can be predicted by just thinking in two questions..

    1)how can US and UK  use ukraine to sabotage as much as possible Russia economy?
    2)how to use ukraine to damage the relations between Europe and Russia and force europe
    into ending business relations with Russia? ending the buying of russia energy?
    3)how to damage Putin image in Russia , and provoke civil unrest?
    4)how to threaten Russia security as much as possible?

    The answer to all of them are , provoke Russia to invade Ukraine and manipulate Ukraine citizens and world opinion about Russia losing a lot of soldiers , and about Russia killing civilians. So once Russia invade , with NATO help ,give Russia a vietnam in ukraine..  this is what they wanted in Syria too.but failed.. because Russia
    limited heavily its operations to a small airforce and few special forces.. This is why the Ukronazis were bombing
    Russia with artillery across borders...  Lavrov told.. Ukraine is doing everything possible to provoke Russia to
    invade Ukraine but failing.  

    So what could happen next?
    watch for more false flags.. lots of them..with planes or with their chemical business..
    Ukraine could stage a false flag with a ship filled with radiation cargo ,and rush into the kerch bridge and
    detonate the ship there.. so to block the bridge from civilians use for radiation issues..  What will Russia do?
    Russia can't take all Ukraine by force without major negative consequences on Russia economy and without Europe support.. because of the monumental cost of a full scale invasion on ukraine..  So this is why Russia needs to block
    any Ukraine ship entry or exit from azov sea. and inspect the cargo of everything that pass under their new bridge.

    Russia best options is with Europe help.. overthrow the government in kiev , a reverse euromaidan and bribe a lot of police and military for that.. Russia could also ,with europe agreement do precision airstrikes on Poroshenko and or Ukraine parliament.  but a full scale invasion of Russia in ukraine will be a bad idea.. unless Russia is 100% sure
    Europe will help the cost of the operation and will help Russia politically ,blaming Ukraine for provoking Russia into a  conflict ..and that the nuclear reactors are 100% safe from any ukroNazi/CIA/MI6 attack. will not be a surprise if the nuclear reactors are mined with bombs ,by the CIA already ,waiting to be blow up ,after Russia invade...
    So Russia will need the help of France and Germany and most of europe to restore order in Ukraine. to counter
    US and UK policies there.

    The best way to understand Ukraine conflict is to compare it with the beslan school terrorist hostage situation
    in Russia were terrorist captured a children school..and rigged the entire place with explosives.. if police enter ,
    then they detonate the bombs killing everyone. .
    the differences are instead of 1,100 civilians ,women and children hostage , now is 40 millions in all ukraine are
    hostage and that the terrorist now ,are not jihadist from caucausus.. but instead US and Britain who have hostage the country and will not mind destroying ukraine completely , if later Russia will have to pay for it , to rebuild it.
    Is an economic war 100%... they know ukraine can't defeat Russia in combat ..so the goals are purely economic terrorism , and to damage the image of Putin and provoke Civil unrest in Russia ,after they provoke many casualties of Russian soldiers.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  flamming_python on Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:44 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Until yesterday we had daily RT articles saying the meeting was ON, according to Kremlin spokesman/sources..... "confirmed" even lol1

    Someone was looking forward to it.... perhaps too much.

    Yup. But then I figured we've gotten used to the delusions of the Russian elite and our pandering news media too

    'Our Western partners'
    'We're sure that our partners will see sense and drop the sanctions promptly'
    'We're united by the fight against terrorism'
    'We have many common goals and interests'
    'We'll take our case to the Stockholm Arbitration Court'

    Reality check for Putin & Lavrov lol1
    To Western capitals you are nothing but infidels, and certainly not worthy of any sort of grand bargain, detente or mutual understanding.
    America doesn't negotiate with bad guys remember? And if you're not a part of the club (and you definitely aren't and never were), then you're a bad guy.
    Accept it already, it's embarrassing for the rest of us watching.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:50 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Until yesterday we had daily RT articles saying the meeting was ON, according to Kremlin spokesman/sources..... "confirmed" even lol1

    Someone was looking forward to it.... perhaps too much.

    Yup. But then I figured we've gotten used to the delusions of the Russian elite and our pandering news media too

    'Our Western partners'
    'We're sure that our partners will see sense and drop the sanctions promptly'
    'We're united by the fight against terrorism'
    'We have many common goals and interests'
    'We'll take our case to the Stockholm Arbitration Court'

    Reality check for Putin & Lavrov lol1
    To Western capitals you are nothing but infidels, and certainly not worthy of any sort of grand bargain, detente or mutual understanding.
    America doesn't negotiate with bad guys remember? And if you're not a part of the club (and you definitely aren't and never were), then you're a bad guy.
    Accept it already, it's embarrassing for the rest of us watching.

    Those are just diplomatic words, something that Senior Trumpet is incapable of doing. You got to realize intentionally poor translations of speech transcripts are a form of agit-prop, hence the reason for intentionally dry diplomatic-speak. BTW, you can speak diplomatically and still create/deploy strategic systems. The old African proverbial saying goes "Speak gently, but carry a big stick!"
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:36 pm

    Anyone else noticed a decline of pro-Ukro stronkism on themess.net as compared to 2015-16?

    Why is that so?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:42 pm

    He has to give them plenty of rope to hang themselves... those are broad strong necks that need a breaking...


    Anyway... big deal that they wont enter talks.

    One funny aspect is that Trump said the Russians have got the Ukrainian boats and Ukrainian sailors in Russia, but they are in Kerch which is the Crimea... so he is calling the Crimea part of Russia... hahahaha.

    And Russia will release these Ukrainians when the US releases all the Russian political prisoners like that red headed girl and that Russian pilot... hell I suspect those Ukrainian sailors probably dont want to go home... it was pretty much a suicide mission... go piss off the bear and hope they fire bullets and not missiles to vapourise your little vessels.

    The Americans would have called those Ukrainian naval vessels Boghammers...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  VARGR198 on Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:01 pm

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/12/ukraine-army-desertions-at-all-time-high-amidst-reports-of-coming-kiev-offensive-in-donbass/
    http://www.stalkerzone.org/ukrainian-women-to-cnn-we-do-not-need-poroshenko-we-need-a-good-president-putin/
    http://www.stalkerzone.org/the-lpr-neutralised-a-group-of-ukrainian-saboteurs-who-tried-to-enter-the-republic/
    https://southfront.org/the-saker-uber-loser-poroshenko-goes-full-saakashvili/
    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/12/neo-nazis-to-enforce-mandatory-military-service-under-martial-law-provision/
    https://dan-news.info/en/defence-en/kiev-plans-major-assault-on-dpr-south-in-december-dpr-intelligence.html

    And this is how the average Ukrainian feels
    https://twitter.com/SEEKINGTHETRU17/status/1069342677886533634
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:12 pm

    I missed this in the summer. perhaps you did too. With the failed gunboat diplomacy it gains new interest.


    Seabees Break Ground on Maritime Operations Center in Ukraine
    Story Number: NNS170807-03Release Date: 8/7/2017 10:11:00 AM
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    By Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Brannon Deugan Naval Mobile Construction Battalion (NMCB) 1 Public Affairs

    NAVAL STATION ROTA, Spain (NNS) -- Seabees held a groundbreaking ceremony for a maritime operations center on Ochakiv Naval Base, Ukraine, July 25.

    The Seabees, assigned to Naval Mobile Construction Battalion (NMCB) 1, have been in Ochakiv since April to establish contracts, obtain construction permits, and perform other logistical necessities needed for long term sustainment of the maritime operations center project.

    The maritime operations center is one of three projects that are currently planned to be executed by the Seabees in Ochakiv and will serve as a major planning and operational hub during future military exercises hosted by Ukraine.

    "Beginning construction in Ukraine is a significant accomplishment for NMCB 1," said Lt. j.g. Jason McGee, officer in charge of Det. Ukraine. "Our ability to maximize European reassurance initiatives in Ukraine holds strategic importance, and will ultimately improve host nation defense capacity and infrastructure, strengthen relations, and increase bilateral training capabilities."

    Maritime operations centers are the operational-level warfare command and control organizations designed to deliver flexible maritime capabilities throughout the full range of military operations. Maritime operations centers support fleet management and the execution of operational responsibilities by providing commanders with flexible, tailored, and scalable staff and processes to make mission-critical decisions and enhance maritime capabilities.

    Other future Seabee projects in Ochakiv include a boat maintenance facility and entry control points with perimeter fencing.

    "These projects have been in waiting for many years and to see them come to fruition is a major accomplishment for Seabees, and who better to lead the way than 'the first and finest,'" said McGee.

    https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=101829


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    Post  VARGR198 on Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:48 am

    More information on the Kerch incident

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    Post  Vann7 on Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:19 am



    Take a look at this..

    A US F-18 and a KC 130 "Accident" provoke both planes to crash in the sea
    of Japan ? Suspect

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201812061070424758-us-marines-search-rescue-japan/

    At the same time US navy sent a warship near vladivostok to provoke Russia by navigating
    very close to Russian waters? claiming that is in retaliation for Russia blocking Ukraine in
    sea of azov.. Shocked

    I will not be surprised if the both events.. 1)the planes "Accident" crash near Russia and the warship
    provoking Russia near its waters.. the ukrainian way ,are both connected..

    also ,I can't imagine any single way , 2 Americans warships months ago crash with "fishing boats"
    and got a big damage of their warships .. this things does not happen.. the chance an American warship
    will allow a fishing boat to get close is zero.. but is not just 1 but 2 warships in 2 different days..

    So there have to be secrets naval fights between Russia and US in the sea of Japan.. and F-18 is too small
    to by accident cause an K-130 to crash.. and is impossible that story add up.. something really bad
    happened between US and Russia in sea of Japan.. and provocations now in full scale by US navy on
    Russia.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:02 pm

    More likely the Hornet flew into its refuelling tanker... during a night refuelling exercise... they say they have found two of seven crew... Hornets are two seaters so I'd say they ejected.... which likely means 5 crew from the refuelling plane are missing.

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    Post  VARGR198 on Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:33 pm

    Czech Republic supplying BMPs to Ukraine
    https://twitter.com/SEEKINGTHETRU17/status/1070702081953153024
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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:40 pm

    Looks like offloading their old equipment. Knowing ukrops, they will drive into mines or get it captured.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:29 pm

    From my blog

    Compilation of evidence and news pointing to an aggravation of hostilities:

    - Proclamation of martial law in the pro-Russian half of Ukraine

    - at the hospital in Dnipropetrovsk and other rear cities in Ukraine, beds are prepared for the wounded, the distance to the front and the scale of preparations suggest that hundreds and even thousands of wounded are expected. This goes far beyond the increase in casualties by a peak of violence during August.

    - Poroshenko visited Donbass this week to meet with army commanders and occupation authorities.


    - The Ukrainian General in Chief, Sergey Nayev, attends a meeting in Mariupol on December 7 with the commanders of the 128th Mountain Infantry Brigades, the 79th and 80th Parachute Brigades, 36th Marine Infantry.

    All of them brigades of shock troops, or at least what passes as it in the Ukrainian army, those of the best trained and motivated combatants.

    - Transfer to the southern front, to Mariupol of groups of between 30 and 40 men from nationalist battalions.

    - Desertions in the Ukrainian army increase, eight deserters in one day, of two brigades, only in the sector of Lugansk. Deserters tend to increase on the eve of an important battle, since the soldiers of the participating units have plenty of clues about what is coming.

    - Ukrainian propaganda cries out denouncing hand blows by the Novorussians in the Marinka sector and demanding a response. Of course it is a lie, but the custom is to justify Ukrainian attacks as a response to previous attacks by the Novorussians.

    - More relevant clues, from various sources published in the portal antimaydan.info

    -The Ukrainian artillery carried out shooting exercises in Krasnoarmeysk, this is to make test shots to calibrate the characteristics of the piece, and thus have the shooting data to make bombardments without having to make corrective shots first.


    -It detects the arrival of conscripts at the front to complete units that are under strength, even though in theory draft soldiers should not serve in combat zone.


    -Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, warns of the possibility of resumption of hostilities and the use of chemical weapons. For years the NovoRussian intelligence has repeatedly warned of a provocation with poisonous gases similar to those of Syria, that it is said by a member of the Russian government, surely much better informed, indicates that the danger is real.

    -The Novorossians fear an attack on the southern front and strengthen their positions, despite inclement weather.

    -In the Czech Republic and Slovakia, a convoy of dozens of trucks carrying old repaired BMP-1 armoured vehicles was sighted in transit, bound for Ukraine, which ended up crossing the border.

    http://antimaydan.info/2018/12/strany_byvshego_soclagerya_gonyat_na_ukrainu_tehniku.html


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    Post  GarryB on Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:56 am

    BMP-1?

    Even ancient stocks of RPG-18 would do for that sort of threat... light... handy... effective... cheap.

    It is ironic that the Afghan muj would be easier to defeat if they had IFVs... kill them in groups instead of trying to do it one at a time.

    Good for the Czech republic to put themselves on the enemy of Russia list though... wonder how many current trade deals Russia could cancel with them for their hostile actions.

    Of course you could easily argue that if the west is supplying the illegal government in Kiev then anyone could therefore support those fighting the immoral forces of Kiev... so in a sense they are justifying providing material support openly for the population of the Ukraine.... the freedom and pro-democracy fighters that oppose Kiev and are fighting for the rule of law and the ballot box.
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    Post  Ispan on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:08 pm

    Posted in my blog, I recommend google or yandex translate

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/preparativos-de-guerra-levas-reservistas-y-hospitales-para-miles-de-heridos/

    Drafts, movilization of reserves of up to a hundred thousand men or more, and they are preparing hospitals for tens of thousands of wounded.

    This time looks like full scale war, finally.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:32 pm

    Yep, time for some real action:) - Let's hope everyone who opposed all of this and wanted to avoid conscription has already done that.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:19 am

    I hope they haven't and when they get the order to attack they go AWOL and shoot their commanding officer... or start a revolt in Kiev against Poro for making them fight a stupid pointless war against fellow Ukrainians.
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    Post  Ispan Yesterday at 1:33 pm

    Maurice Schleepen@MauriceSchleepe
    #Urgent E,#Basurin,In the Morning of December 14 #Ukraine regime will launch a Large-Scale Offensive in the #Mariupol,area,they formed a Shock #Offensive Group with a total number of more than 12,000 people & Multiple Heavy weapons,to sieze the South of the #DPR,DNR-News,#Donbass
    *

    Use Yandex translate to read the links in Russian

    Detailed briefing from above

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4632024.html

    Analysis ukrainian intentions and possible answer

    https://news-front.info/2018/12/09/yurij-selivanov-napravlenie-poslednego-udara/?utm_source=politobzor.net

    In addition to all previous reports, another telltale sign of an offensive buildup is the arrival of drones

    http://antimaydan.info/2018/12/kiev_na_grani_masshtabnoj_vojny_poroshenko_napravil_v_donbass_boevye.html

    The threat is real and the information is much more detailed than on previous occasions. Before there were a series of plannedoffensives but for some reasons and others were aborted. Now there is simply no time left, martial law expires before the end of the year, Poroshenko can wait no longer.



    It seems a limited attack that does not expose Ukraine to disaster if it goes wrong, and that causes enough casualties to allow Poroshenko to prolong martial law.


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