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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:00 pm

    Vann7 wrote:When Pictures speak better than words..
    Take a look of 2 very powerful reasons for Russia to not invade Ukraine ..


    Reason #1





    Reason #2



    The Pentagon have been raising bio-weapons of mass destruction Laboratories/that they could use as a mine field.. against Russia army.. Any place such laboratories exploded ,will be places Russia will be forced to clean,
    because Ukraine is broken and the west will not do it.


    and then there is more.. Not just that.. Russia enemies could start doing false flags in Ukraine
    using uniforms of Russian soldiers and start major genocide of Ukrainians and then CIA to blow up
    Ukraine nuclear reactors or biological ones and later with US media help ,claim Russia did it..
    that is using chemical weapons on Ukraine. It will be interesting to know in which directions
    winds blow in Ukraine.. because if they go towards Russia ,in any part of the year.. then basically
    Americans can attack Russia by proxy with radiation and biological weapons by just blowing up
    the storage places in Ukraine of those and later blaming it ,on Russian pro rebels artillery.
    So Russia  needs EU to help to solve the Ukraine conflict.. if Europe pressure Ukraine and (Americans too)
    to put an end to their hostilities against Russia and its backed fighters , then it can avoid a major catastrophe
    in Ukraine.. of major proportions..  Because the evil people who lead US policies ,will be capable of killing
    millions in Ukraine if they allowed it to do it ,by Europe..if they feel they are going to lose control of Ukraine..
    like ..if it will not be ours.. then it will be of no one.. and a terrorism of such level ,ie.. blowing up Ukraine reactors and biological labs ,the reasoning of that will be ,so that Russia is forced to take millions more and pay the cost of hospital for the wounded by radiation and biological attacks by the wester games.

    THen if Russia invade..it could provoke a major ethnic cleansing of ethnic Russians by Ukrainians.
    To provoke Russia to deploy a very large army in order to protect civilians in the entire country.

    So Ukraine is literary an entire nation ,hostage of US Unlawful actions , that only there to undermine Russia
    economy and cause damages to Russia military.

    For sure biological weapons will not win a war.. but they can be used for major scale economical damages to any
    nation tourism and olympics and it can wipe a big army if they are lured into a biological death trap. as i think
    Ukraine also is..  Europe have to be also worried ,because any war in Ukraine will mean millions of refugees into
    Europe and with radiation and biological weapons and major illness spreading through all Europe..

    If i was Putin ,i will warn Europeans of Americans path of destruction in Europe. and will encourage all European
    Major business and rich people, to have a back up place ,in Russia ,to move a major part of their business to Russia,so that if Europe is destroyed by muslims or biological weapons ,then they will have a place to move and continue
    their business in Russia. SOmething that will allow Russia to develop a major industrial revolution. something similar
    to what happened to China..thanks to western business deployed there.

    Why the hell should Russia care about the lives of it enemies?

    If Russia cannot reclaim ukraine then the best course of action would be to nuke it untill no trace of it remains.

    Because of its proximity to Russia the best course of action would be to annex it at all costs.

    After annexing it Russia should procede to use it as a foward base for SAMs and ABMs and an extra buffer betwene the eu and Russia.

    You are clearly delutional rather have a radioactive wasteland next dore than an enemy country.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  ATLASCUB on Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:59 pm

    I agree with peacekeepers. Send Cubans. No one else.

    Lol the peacekeeper thing is a big fat trap. Russia would be incredibly stupid to fall for it, unless it's on their terms, with their people, with a specific geopolitical objective to achieve - in essence, a biased move.

    All this is pretty much is political maneuvering to get the upper hand vs. the other side in the war. Nothing short.

    Europe will not cooperate with Russia on Ukraine....the hell are any of you smoking. They knew what was going on prior to the coup, the machinations behind the scene. They actively helped to achieve this and are actively involved in seeing this situation come to a solution beneficial to them - fuck Russia sideways has been the goal from the very beginning and it still is. Europe has played with fire before and loves playing with fire, and that will not change. The Germans, the French, the British, the Poles....they're all ON IT. The only difference between Europe and the U.S is that Europe prefers the conflict to be of low intensity, while the U.S, since it's not their backyard, would actually prefer a high intensity conflict if they could get their vassals all on board. Thus the parties agree, low intensity conflict for now.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:38 am

    The first supplies of weapons from the United States should begin in a few weeks, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said.

    "The first supply of these weapons should take place in a few weeks," Poroshenko said at a press conference in Kyiv on Wednesday. Several types of weapons will be supplied, starting with "counter-sniper systems," he said. "We're talking about numerous supplies, starting with counter-sniper systems, because it was Russian snipers who killed many Ukrainian troops in the east of our country," the Ukrainian president said. Obtaining such systems will help Ukraine to significantly decrease the number of servicemen killed, especially on the frontline, Poroshenko said.

    "We're also talking about electronic warfare means, air defense and many other weapons," he said.

    Poroshenko also recalled that he had held negotiations on weapon supplies with U.S. President Donald Trump, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary James Mattis.

    "We have many positive news [following negotiations], but, unfortunately, I cannot provide more details about them," he said.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/488532.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:45 am

    Air defense? Such as what exactly? US AD systems are stupid expensive. So I'm assuming manpads like Stinger?

    Anti sniper systems. I think the Novorussians have their own anyways. And I think Ukies had tons of them before anyway, what ever happened to them?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:04 am

    Looks like the gas dispute is heading towards conclusion. Briefly

    Naftogaz will pay less for gas but has to buy 4Bcm from Gazprom in this and next year on a take or pay basis.

    Gazprom to pay Naftogaz $4.63B for not putting the contracted minimum transit gas through. Interest charged at 4.14% pa until paid. This was an old contract, under the current contract there is no minimum.

    Naftogaz to pay Gazprom $2.019B for gas taken but not paid for. Interest charged at 10.95% pa until paid.

    Given the crazy demands at the start it looks like the Court of Arbitration in Stockholm has done a good job with neither side really being able to claim that they won. Although the Ukrainians are of course.

    Now for a decision on the $3B inter governmental debt currently before the Appeal Court in London.

    All data from Interfax Kiev.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:11 am

    Looks like the US are keen to take a look at the latest wondertank from Ukraine.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:17 am

    Lol.

    The Oplot has been under construction for years, and already been "investigated" by US at least a decade ago. Nothing special about it. I imagine they will use it to "study" T-80 but it's no point really. They already done that.

    It's one of those "hey, we buy weapons from you. You can also buy from us" and US was "ugh....sure."
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:53 pm

    The Javelins getting nearer to delivery


    https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/969322847142326272
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:01 pm

    Two men arrested for conspiring to illegally export firearms, ammunition, and night vision sights to Ukraine. The weapons allegedly shipped to Ukraine include 3rd gen night vision scopes, parts for AR-15 rifles, and, interestingly, 80 percent lower receivers - a growing concern for law enforcement.

    PITTSBURGH - One Michigan resident and one New Jersey resident have been indicted by a federal grand jury in Pittsburgh on a charge of conspiracy, United States Attorney Scott W. Brady announced today.

    The one-count indictment named Michael Cox, 42, of Beverly Hills, Michigan, and Michael Stashchyshyn, 55, of Cedar Knolls, New Jersey, as defendants.

    According to the indictment, Cox and Stashchyshyn conspired with others to export night sighting equipment, firearms and ammunition to Ukraine without the requisite license issued by the State Department. The items were purchased in the United States by Cox and others, and shipped to Stashchyshyn who owns a freight forwarder business in Parsippany, New Jersey. Stashchyshyn then shipped the items to an individual in Ukraine in violation of U.S. law and regulations. The items shipped are contained on the Federal Munitions List and are controlled by the International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) regulations. They are illegal to ship without a license from the State Department, which the defendants and their co-conspirators did not have.


    https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/two-charged-scheme-illegally-export-night-sighting-equipment-firearms-and-ammo-ukraine

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  VARGR198 on Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:58 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Lol.

    The Oplot has been under construction for years, and already been "investigated" by US at least a decade ago.  Nothing special about it. I imagine they will use it to "study" T-80 but it's no point really.  They already done that.

    It's one of those "hey, we buy weapons from you. You can also buy from us" and US was "ugh....sure."

    It'll probably end up in one of the Tank museums in the States within a few years.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  par far on Fri Mar 02, 2018 7:32 pm

    “GAZPROM ANNOUNCES DECISION TO “IMMEDIATELY” STOP GAS SUPPLIES TO AND THROUGH UKRAINE.”


    https://southfront.org/gazprom-announces-decision-to-immediately-stop-gas-supplies-to-and-through-ukraine/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  littlerabbit on Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:54 pm

    par far wrote:“GAZPROM ANNOUNCES DECISION TO “IMMEDIATELY” STOP GAS SUPPLIES TO AND THROUGH UKRAINE.”


    https://southfront.org/gazprom-announces-decision-to-immediately-stop-gas-supplies-to-and-through-ukraine/


    Could this speed up Kiev's decision to go to war? Suspect
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:16 am

    Has anyone actually seen this announcement? I can't find it anywhere and given the freeze that is surprising.

    I suspect it is someone misinterpreting Gazprom refusing to supply Ukraine with gas for March, Gazprom returning the money instead on the basis that a couple of legal bits had to be done first. Cancelling contracts is not the Russian way, using the clauses to their advantage is.

    A classic case of revenge along the lines of 'if you take us to court and screw money out of us don't expect us to be nice guys in the remaining 22 months of the contract'.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  onwiththewar on Sat Mar 03, 2018 3:27 am

    Alexei Miller of Gazprom said something along the line of: "continue supplying gas to Ukraine is no longer profitable and is bad for our company. Ukraine's economy problems are not our problems."

    https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/488111-ukraina-naftogaz-gazprom-razryv

    Ukraine has closed all schools and kinder gardens (some refused to close, not sure if they study in the cold or have some self provided heating). Universities and other higher education institutions were closed long ago already.

    Porky asked citizens to lower temperature in their apartments (houses) to save gas.

    Ukraine purchased some gas from Poland as a temporary solution. Contract lasts until end of March. News is from novorosinform.org, so not sure about if it's true.

    https://novorosinform.org/709635

    Remember this happened after Putin presented his missile. Is this "gas crisis" just another warning / scare tactic or a sign of Russia deciding to fight it out against Ukraine, I'm not sure.




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:19 pm

    A little bit of good news for Donbass

    Gazprom stopped billing the Kiev oil and gas holding company Naftogaz of Ukraine for the gas supplied to the Republics of Donbass, company's chief commercial director Yury Vitrenko said at an energy forum.

    "Yes, this is true," the top manager of Naftogaz said when asked about the termination of Gazprom's supplies.

    He also confirmed that the Russian company had not submitted bills for the entire 2017 and early 2018.


    https://dninews.com/article/independence-recognition-gazprom-ceases-bill-kiev-gas-supplied-donbass
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:32 pm

    https://m.ren.tv/novosti/2018-03-10/petr-poroshenko-provel-zakrytuyu-vstrechu-s-blogerami

    Essentially, porkys plan is in troops in Donbass to disarm the Donbass, then send in ATO veterans to sweep through.

    So that's why no un troops should be allowed.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:38 pm

    This is a subject that no-one seems to dare speak its name, oil transit. All we ever hear about is gas. So very surprised to see this on Interfax. Interesting figures, this is very important to both Ukraine, Russia and the EU as there are no alternative routes, apart from tankers.

    Oil transit through Ukraine to European countries in January-February 2018 decreased by 4.7% (by 105,900 tonnes) compared to the same period in 2017, to 2.135 million tonnes, according to data from PJSC Ukrtransnafta.

    According to the calculations of Interfax-Ukraine, oil pumping to refineries in Ukraine in January-February 2018 increased by 46% (by 99,700 tonnes), to 316,400 tonnes (including 106,100 tonnes of Azeri Light oil).

    Thus, in January-February 2018 the share of transit in the total transportation of oil (2.451 million tonnes) was 87.1%, the share of pumping to the country's refineries was 12.9%.

    In February 2018 transit of oil through Ukraine by pipelines rose by 19.1% (by 174,600 tonnes) compared to the same month in 2017, to 1.09 million tonnes, while pumping to the country's refineries increased by 43.1% (by 42,900 tonnes), to 142,500 tonnes (including 45,300 tonnes of Azeri Light oil).

    As reported, oil transit through Ukraine to Europe via pipelines in 2017 increased by 0.8% compared to 2016, to 13.937 million tonnes, and transportation to the country's refineries by almost 1.5 times, to 2.097 million tonnes.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/economic/490507.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  Ispan on Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:27 pm

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/first-but-not-the-last-kiev-bloodbath-and-poroshenko-assassination-thwarted/


    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/war-around-the-corner-cia-and-nato-officers-checking-ukrainian-troops-reports/
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:34 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://m.ren.tv/novosti/2018-03-10/petr-poroshenko-provel-zakrytuyu-vstrechu-s-blogerami

    Essentially, porkys plan is in troops in Donbass to disarm the Donbass, then send in ATO veterans to sweep through.

    So that's why no un troops should be allowed.

    Peacekeeping does not require disarmament. Disarmament is only done when a peace treaty is signed. That is when
    Banderastan officially recognizes the Donbass as independent.

    The problem with the UN is that it is tool of the USA. They will make all sorts of BS demands on the Novorussians that
    will ultimately serve the Kiev regime and its owners in Washington.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:08 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Peacekeeping does not require disarmament.   Disarmament is only done when a peace treaty is signed.   That is when
    Banderastan officially recognizes the Donbass as independent.  

    The problem with the UN is that it is tool of the USA.    They will make all sorts of BS demands on the Novorussians that
    will ultimately serve the Kiev regime and its owners in Washington.
    Precisely why the Russians will not let it happen, other than possibly in a very limited way along the ceasefire line.
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:10 pm

    Not good but inevitable. What is the Hiatsynt?

    The state-owned joint-stock holding company Artem, which is incorporated in the Ukroboronprom State Concern, has successfully tested 152 mm artillery ammunition of own production, Ukroboronprom Director General Pavlo Bukin has said. "Thus, Ukraine received own production of large caliber artillery ammunition," the press service of Ukroboronprom reported on Wednesday, citing Bukin.

    He said that a new high-explosive (HE) projectile is designed to destroy personnel, artillery and firepower of the enemy, as well as fortification structures and objects. It is designed for one of the most far-ranging artillery systems -Hiatsynt.

    Bukin said that other Ukroboronprom's enterprises, along with Artem, are also engaged in ammunition manufacturing. They are responsible for initiating agents, explosives and blasting powder. "The cooperation of Ukroboronprom's enterprises allowed us to master artillery ammunition production in the shortest time possible, to meet the requirements of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is an important step, increasing the combat capability of the Ukrainian Armed Forces," Bukin said. He said that artillery projectiles, manufactured at Artem, are waiting for a series of tests under the control of the Ministry of Defense representatives. According to test results, bulk production will be launched.

    The press service of Ukroboronprom said that the tests were conducted at the military training ground in Chernihiv. The specified characteristics of the projectiles were confirmed during the tests. Ammunition production takes place under the target program approved by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko.


    http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/491992.html
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  TheArmenian on Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:29 pm

    John,

    2S5 Giatsint 152 mm artillery

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S5_Giatsint-S

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  GarryB on Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:48 am

    I agree with peacekeepers. Send Cubans. No one else.

    I am guessing you don't care if these Cubans get smoked.... Sorry. Embarassed

    But why would the Cubans want to get involved?
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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  franco on Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:41 pm

    Poroshenko announced the beginning of the "operation of the united forces" in Donbass Today, 18:15

    President of Ukraine Peter Poroshenko announced the end of the "anti-terrorist operation" regime in the south-east of the country. In place of it, the Ukrainian army is preparing to implement the "operation of the unified forces." On the post of commander of the united forces in Donbass, Poroshenko appointed Lieutenant-General Sergei Naev.

    The leadership of the forces and means of the Armed Forces and other military formations and law enforcement bodies will be entrusted to the commander of the United forces. To this post I decided to appoint Lieutenant-General Sergei Naev - Poroshenko wrote on his Facebook page.

    The head of state said that he had set before the commander the task of strengthening the armed forces so "that they were not only defensive, but capable of liberating the occupied territories."

    "On my initiative, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a law on the reintegration of the Donbass. This document created a new legal basis for repelling enemy aggression in the Donbas, and in the long term - for the restoration of the territorial integrity of Ukraine"- said Poroshenko, introducing Naeva.

    According to him, "the format of the antiterrorist operation will be changed to the operation of the unified forces"

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:46 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:John,

    2S5 Giatsint 152 mm artillery

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S5_Giatsint-S

    Giasint is a flower (Hyacinth in English)
    Thanks.

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