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    GarryB

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:24 am

    Didn't Soviet fighters have gun cameras in WWII that were used to confirm if a pilot had actually killed an enemy plane?

    AFAIK yes they did, but they would be film cameras rather than digital cameras with digital memory and monitors for playback on the ground.


    Though, my point was that, interestingly, neither the altimeter, nor the other MFCD are displaying info. Usually, once the batteries have been switched on, some basic, analogue instruments fire up with it. And, depending on the aircraft, you would have all MFCDs fire up as well.

    You are assuming they have to boot up all systems just to activate one monitor and the memory of the recorded mission.

    A modern attack helo like a Ka-52 probably has multiple computers that are linked via a network, but likely can operate separately too.

    never the less. I am just pointing this out because I noticed it in the background and enjoy the odd debunking here and there. not because I have any particular angle I am trying to push.

    The camera view we are looking at seems fixed and could have been edited... I am sure before being allowed to release this on the internet some people probably had to censor it first and they might have altered or changed some footage for whatever purpose.

    If they really wanted to fake something they could easily have zoomed right in and just had the footage visible without a view of the cockpit...
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Didn't Soviet fighters have gun cameras in WWII that were used to confirm if a pilot had actually killed an enemy plane?

    AFAIK yes they did, but they would be film cameras rather than digital cameras with digital memory and monitors for playback on the ground.


    Well regardless they are probably there for the same purpose. To keep track of the aircrafts activity.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:03 am

    It would be for reviewing the mission and comparing with the pilots report.

    Footage can be closely examined to determine if the attacks were effective and follow up recon can determine how effective the attacks were and whether follow up attacks are needed or not.

    Such footage can be used for training as well as performance evaluation.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:28 pm

    Russia’s Aerospace Force to get most advanced attack helicopters by yearend

    Now a pre-production batch is underway

    ROSTOV-ON-DON, March 6. /TASS/. Two most advanced Mil Mi-28NM serial-produced attack helicopters will arrive for Russian troops by the end of 2018, Russian Helicopters Group CEO Andrei Boginsky said on Tuesday.

    "Now a pre-production batch is underway and the contract is due to be completed in November this year. Correspondingly, we are complying with the schedule. So far, two helicopters are stipulated in the contract," the rotorcraft manufacturer’s chief executive said, responding to the corresponding question from TASS.

    Russia started developing the Mi-28NM helicopter in 2009. Its modernized version considerably differs from its prototype. The Mi-28NM will feature an innovative helmet-mounted target designation and display system as part of its onboard radar equipment.

    The helicopter is furnished with the N025 all-round surveillance radar and a new electronic warfare system. The gunship is designed to search for and destroy low-speed air targets, tanks, armored and non-armored hardware and enemy manpower day and night and in any weather conditions.


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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:20 pm

    The helicopter is furnished with the N025 all-round surveillance radar and a new electronic warfare system. The gunship is designed to search for and destroy low-speed air targets, tanks, armored and non-armored hardware and enemy manpower day and night and in any weather conditions.

    Wow... if that is a requirement perhaps they will equip the 30mm cannon with airburst rounds with smart fuses... it would certainly be the most efficient way of dealing with air targets... such guns wont be accurate enough to hit the target with every round but the rounds would mostly pass closely by the target... without airburst ammo the rounds that miss even if they come very close to the target will just whip by and do no damage. With airburst round they will explode near the target... so very light targets like UAVs would be damaged by fragments even if every round does not hit them... most will damage them.

    Obviously for armoured targets AP rounds would need to be used and direct hits achieved...
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:27 pm

    It also to get new optronics system similar to ka-52 as well.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:30 pm

    17.4.18 image of the 1st flying Mi-28NM (Izd. 296) prototype OP-1 "701 Yellow"(maiden flight 12.10.16) at Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant in Lyubertsy District, Moscow Obl.
    Features a modernised mast-mounted N025(M?) radar,a new set of VК-2500P-01/PS engines, sensors, controls & ECMS.



    https://twitter.com/Russian_Defence/status/986281142671339521
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:37 pm

    Upgraded Mil Mi-28NE ‘Night Hunter’ attack helicopter at the Army-2018 international military and technical forum



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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:56 am

    I would say the focus is export to the Middle East with that large filter over the air intake for dust and sand.

    It makes sense to stop sand and dust from getting into the engine than to try to deal with sand and dust already in there...

    The odd thing is the quad missile tubes instead of the traditional 8 pack of Atakas...
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Hole on Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:21 am

    According to another forum this are Krizanthema.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:37 pm

    Hole wrote:According to another forum this are Krizanthema.

    Yes.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3314648.html
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:18 pm

    Interesting system at 6:15. Different than ka-52.
    At 11:16 there is radar display in live.

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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Hole on Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:28 pm

    Do you mean the evacuation system?

    Ka-52 has ejection seats. K-37.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:16 pm

    Isos wrote:Interesting system at 6:15. Different than ka-52.
    At 11:16 there is radar display in live.


    Yeah, crushions and crash worthy seats. Highly questionable how useful it is but oh well...
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:21 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Yeah, crushions and crash worthy seats. Highly questionable how useful it is but oh well...

    Technology looks cool Very Happy

    I was surprised mi-28 had this. First time I saw that it had an ejection system.

    Could be usefull if it is used in altitude. Unless if you jump on the rotor's blades Shocked
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Militarov on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:34 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Yeah, crushions and crash worthy seats. Highly questionable how useful it is but oh well...

    Technology looks cool Very Happy

    I was surprised mi-28 had this. First time I saw that it had an ejection system.

    Could be usefull if it is used in altitude. Unless if you jump on the rotor's blades Shocked

    This particular system was known to public for decades, like really, decades. However i find it impractical, to say at least. However it has crushioned seats too that are rated as "crash-worthy", so i might choose to stay in and try my luck.

    You might get time to use it tho if you use it while auto-rotation lasts if the malfunction is of such nature to allow it.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Isos on Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:44 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Yeah, crushions and crash worthy seats. Highly questionable how useful it is but oh well...

    Technology looks cool Very Happy

    I was surprised mi-28 had this. First time I saw that it had an ejection system.

    Could be usefull if it is used in altitude. Unless if you jump on the rotor's blades Shocked

    This particular system was known to public for decades, like really, decades. However i find it impractical, to say at least. However it has crushioned seats too that are rated as "crash-worthy", so i might choose to stay in and try my luck.

    You might get time to use it tho if you use it while auto-rotation lasts if the malfunction is of such nature to allow it.

    I didn't know.

    I would jump. You have a couple of videos on yt of mi-28 crashing and those seats have nothing special. And if the fuel start burning/exploding like it happened everytime a helicopter crashed you won't survive. On the other hand parachutes saved lot of pilots.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:26 am

    And then the bastards on the ground cut your head off and mutilate your body... I would make my decision at the time based on the situation...
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:04 am

    This cushions are used if the helicopter has a malfunction and is flying higher as 50 or so metres so that the parachute can open up. The cushions are there to get you past the wings at jumping out.

    If the helicopter is flying at 20 or so metres and is hit, the pilot and WSO will stay in their seats.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:38 pm

    GarryB wrote:And then the bastards on the ground cut your head off and mutilate your body... I would make my decision at the time based on the situation...

    You don't send helicopters in the middle of terrorist zone. But as air support near your own troops.

    In conventional war you are made PoW.and release at the end.
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    Re: Mi-28N Havoc: News

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:24 am

    You don't send helicopters in the middle of terrorist zone. But as air support near your own troops.

    Helicopters operating in Syria attacked enemy positions... there is always a chance to come down near enemy forces... especially in a conflict like Syria where the lines on a map showing enemy held territory shift minute by minute...


    In conventional war you are made PoW.and release at the end.

    So you know the rules, but do the enemy?

    Again in Syria the Su-24 crewman killed was killed while parachuting to the ground... and of course there was that Su-25 pilot that killed himself with a grenade as enemy forces closed in on his position...

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