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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 04, 2018 6:18 pm

    Isos wrote:
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    Ka-50 are used as spec-ops support, they are stationed near Moscow

    Makes sense, it would be a waste to decommission them but since there are only handful of them they are kept close to maintenance centers in support role

    It's weired that they didn't send one of them in Syria to compare with the ka-52. Maybe the single seat is enough and the two seat wasn't needed.

    They determined long ago that two seater is superior (Chechnia)

    And operating single seater efficiently is not really easy, you need top tier pilots for those
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    Post  Isos on Fri May 04, 2018 7:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
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    Ka-50 are used as spec-ops support, they are stationed near Moscow

    Makes sense, it would be a waste to decommission them but since there are only handful of them they are kept close to maintenance centers in support role

    It's weired that they didn't send one of them in Syria to compare with the ka-52. Maybe the single seat is enough and the two seat wasn't needed.

    They determined long ago that two seater is superior (Chechnia)

    And operating single seater efficiently is not really easy, you need top tier pilots for those

    Counter terrorist operations are harder than ordinary military operations. Targets are easier to find when they are big green tanks.

    If you spot a group of tanks it's easier to attack them than attack poeple with ak-47 in a city.

    In syria isis had a lot of vehicles so the they could have trained against them the single seat version. Hiting them from 10 km doesn't recquire two guys.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 05, 2018 10:16 am

    The original justification for the single seat design was that an A-10 or Su-25 pilot can fly and hunt targets on a battlefield, and flight in the Ka-50 is rather simple with no tail rotor, and the expensive and complicated Shkval targeting system making engaging enemy fairly straight forward.

    The problem is that flying at night and in bad weather is actually a full time job when you are flying that low... so an additional crewman to operate weapons is useful... because attack helos are safer and often more effective at night.
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    Post  George1 on Tue May 08, 2018 12:37 am

    The total number of Ka-52s will be 260 vehicles by 2027, which will make them the main attack helicopters of all the armed forces, said a source close to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:35 am

    Ka-52 with what looks like new type of sensors (square "eggs") for the Vitebsk self defense suite

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    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:13 pm

    Modified DIRCM turrets apparently...
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    Post  archangelski on Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:29 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Ka-52 with what looks like new type of sensors (square "eggs") for the Vitebsk self defense suite

    L418-5 sensors replacing the L370-5 ones.
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    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:18 am

    Per Charly015 http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/08/nuevo-laser-para-el-ka-52.html these have been previously seen on the Ka-52 for Egypt
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    Nose ball looks different than normal, but not same as the Egyptian ones which I thought they were getting upgraded to.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:00 pm

    According to open sources, Ka-52, alongside Mi-28N, Mi-35 and Mi-8AMTSh, will in the future be equipped with a new generation universal missile complex Hermes-A having a range of up to 20 kilometers.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 am

    Makes sense now that new IR optics and radar sensors makes detecting targets at that range a possibility.

    Of course it is important to keep in mind that a tank sitting out on an open plain could be detected at 20km... especially if it is moving... it wont be detecting all of its targets at 20km or more...
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    Post  dino00 on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:10 pm

    Alligator" is waiting for rebirth: Ka-52 helicopters will be upgraded

    The Russian military ordered a super- "Alligators". Following the results of the operation in Syria, the Ka-52 reconnaissance-attack helicopter will undergo major changes. Experimental design work for two years. After their graduation, the military will receive an un-upgraded "Alligator", and in fact a completely new combat vehicle. Its parameters will exceed both domestic and foreign developments. In particular, the Ka-52 will have a new composite armor, its arsenal will replenish the Whirlwind missiles and the Hermes ultra-long-range complexes. Optoelectronic systems will also change. This will allow helicopter pilots at any time of the day to hit targets at a distance of over 10 km.

    According to Izvestia, engineers are now working on the task of increasing the strength of the cockpit without increasing the total weight of the helicopter (slightly more than 10 tons, which is less than the mass of most other helicopter gunships). It will be solved by replacing titanium with high-strength composite materials. Composite armor will be able to withstand hitting not only 23-mm shells, but also fire 57-mm automatic guns.
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    In addition, it is planned to modernize the gyrostabilized optical-electronic system (GOES-451), which is installed in the nose of the helicopter. It is equipped with a camera, thermal imager, laser range finder, target designator, laser sensor and guided missile guidance system. After completion, the system, according to the technical task, will have to detect armored vehicles at a distance of 10 km (now a little more than 5 km).

    In addition, as part of the modernization, work on the creation of a Hermes-A guided missile with a range of approximately 20 km should be completed
    . Her tests are still underway. After their completion, the rocket will become a regular ammunition for the Ka-52. A missile with such a range will be aimed at using an onboard radar "Arbalet".

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    Post  medo on Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:55 pm

    In Syria Ka-52 usually attack their targets with ATGM at 8 km distance in night time. It already have detection range at 10 km.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:14 am

    I suspect the improved sensors will make it easier to detect targets at longer ranges than the current systems...

    They basically said the same thing about the upgrade of the Havoc from the Mi-28N to the Mi-28NM...
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    Post  hoom on Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:45 pm

    Nice shot of Ka-52 patrolling Crimea river bridge during todays tensions.
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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:03 pm

    In accordance with the re-equipment plan of the Southern Military District, army aviation received six new Ka-52 Alligator combat attack helicopters.

    http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12205278@egNews
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:05 am

    Ka-52 will be upgraded to drop FAB-500 bombs, as it was determined as a need from experience gained in Syria

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    Previously, these munitions were considered incompatible with the Mi-28 and Ka-52

    The Ministry of Defense revised the weapons system of combat helicopters. The Mi-28 "Night Hunter" and Ka-52 "Alligator" will receive "doodles" - this is what the unmanaged heavy explosive bombs (FAB) are called in aviation. For a long time it was believed that they are generally not compatible with these helicopters, which mainly use guided and unguided missiles. Train pilots to start bombing in Syzran. It is assumed that under certain conditions helicopters will be used instead of front-line aircraft, this will reduce operational costs.

    As told to Izvestia in the Ministry of Defense, in the next two years, 22 helicopters will be upgraded to use bombs. These combat vehicles will arrive in Syzran - in the branch of the military educational and scientific center of the Air Force "Air Force Academy named after Professor NE Zhukovsky and Y. Gagarin." Here the pilots will be trained in bombing. The decision to install heavy FAB was taken on the basis of the combat use of army aviation in Syria.

    Upgraded helicopters will receive a special girder holder, which is usually equipped with Su-30, Su-35 and MiG-29 fighters. This suspension system is designed for transportation and forced dropping of powerful aerial bombs of various modifications - up to FAB-500 inclusive. In addition, the standard aiming system of the helicopter will be improved. In the computer will download data that will take into account the speed of the helicopters, the distance to the ground and weather conditions. Such a modernization will allow to attack with an accuracy close to the guided weapon.

    The FAB-500 is one of the most massive domestic aerial bombs, which is still in service with the air forces of many countries of the world. This is the main ammunition used in Syria. The bombardment is dropped from a height of 200 m to 10 thousand m. The mass of the FAB-500 is 540 kg, the explosive is 300 kg in TNT equivalent. The land mine is intended for the destruction of military-industrial facilities, railway junctions, vulnerable and lightly armored vehicles and military field constructions.

    In certain conditions, helicopters can be used as a light bomber, while the cost of departure will be significantly lower than that of front-line aviation, military expert Anton Lavrov told Izvestia.

    “Bombing from helicopters is especially effective for carrying out local operations against terrorists, as, for example, in Syria,” said Anton Lavrov. - The combat attack helicopters, for example, the Mi-28, are armed with a modern navigation and aiming system, which allows navigation bombardment. The on-board computer is actively involved in aiming, which provides access to a given point using satellite coordinates. FAB can be reset not only with a hang. Helicopters will bomb as planes, speeding up and completing a pit. In the future, helicopters will also be able to use guided bombs.

    At the beginning of the war in Afghanistan, helicopter pilots actively used aerial bombs. They were used mainly for the destruction of well-protected targets. To hit a firing point in the mountains or a separate house, six Mi-8s were required with four OFAB-250 high-explosive fragmentation bombs or four helicopters with two FAB-500s. Such low efficiency was explained by the fact that the helicopter pilots had strong height restrictions, the failure to comply with which threatened to be hit by shrapnel from their own bombs. As a result, the machines had to climb to a height of 900 m. For comparison, when firing unguided artillery rockets, a height of about 50–75 m was considered safe.

    In addition, bombs in Afghanistan were usually used with the installation of detonators for slowing down, which made it possible to go a safe distance from the place of impact. All these measures led to a significant decrease in the effectiveness of bombing.

    Afghanistan also did not have the necessary special sights. The helicopter pilots used a modified aircraft bomb-sight of the Great Patriotic War - OPB-1P. The device was a periscopic tube with a sight, mounted next to the navigator's chair. The pilots complained about the inconvenience in the work and the low accuracy of aiming. It was possible to bomb only when the helicopter was hovering in a horizontal position, while becoming a good target for enemy air defenses.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:27 am

    The internet fan boi experts who attacked the concept of coaxial rotors will have to eat crow again (S-97)! Yet another U.S. aircraft manufacturer that sees the value in coaxial rotors, as they're submitting their coaxial helicopter proposal for the U.S. Army's very own promising helicopter program:

    New "jet" helicopter to the U.S. army

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    The us army has proposed a new draft of the advanced helicopter. Yesterday, April 16, companies AVX Aircraft and L3 Technologies presented a video with the project light military reconnaissance helicopter and officially announced the participation in the tender Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA).

    FARA is part of the Future Vertical Lift (FVL). According to the requirements of military, reconnaissance and attack helicopter of the future should be not just replacing the OH-58 Kiowa, and a revolution in the field of aviation. So, at the specified speed characteristics, to date available only to convertiplanes and development of helicopters.

    The promo video promising helicopter AVX Aircraft and L3 Technologies



    In AVX Aircraft and L3 Technologies did not disclose technical details of its development. This indicates that despite the external similarity with the S-97 Raider helicopters have significant differences. So, not yet named, the project is equipped with small wings for extra lift and reduces the load on the rotors.

    Earlier AVX Aircraft has already presented the concept of high-speed helicopter project FVL. New renderings are slightly different from the original concept. In particular, changed the location of the pushing screws and the layout of the weapons.

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    Post  dino00 on Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:24 pm

    Can the KA-52 carry more 12 atacka/ vickrh instead of the rockets?
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:16 am

    My understanding is that if the middle weapon pylon is carrying Vikhr (6 per pylon) or Ataka (6 per pylon) that the inner pylons can only carry quad tube launchers for ATGMs like Ataka or Krisantema, while the outer pylons normally carry twin Igla-S missile tubes.

    The long vertical 6 tube Ataka launch pylon is not as wide as the traditional 6 tube Vikhr launcher so it might be able to carry four of those at a time, or two of those while carrying Vikhrs...
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    Post  dino00 on Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:34 am

    GarryB wrote:My understanding is that if the middle weapon pylon is carrying Vikhr (6 per pylon) or Ataka (6 per pylon) that the inner pylons can only carry quad tube launchers for ATGMs like Ataka or Krisantema, while the outer pylons normally carry twin Igla-S missile tubes.

    The long vertical 6 tube Ataka launch pylon is not as wide as the traditional 6 tube Vikhr launcher so it might be able to carry four of those at a time, or two of those while carrying Vikhrs...

    I can't upload pictures dunno but in this link that I think is the official one http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/en/ the picture with 24 vikhr I thought was photoshopped, no I think it isn't that was my doubt if instead of the 40 S8 rockets they could have vikhr thumbsup

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:10 am

    I suspect that is photoshop.

    Rockets are relatively cheap multi purpose weapons which are useful to have most of the time.

    That image looks like it is modified.

    On normal pylons I have seen for the Shturm/attaka families of ATGMs original two tubes on the Hind, quad tubes on Ka-29 assault helos and Hinds, the standard 8 tube setup on the Havoc, and most recently a 6 tube arrangement on the Hokum that doesn't normally carry such missiles (they normally have Vikhrs)

    The six tube in this case is two side by side tubes with three layers vertically for a total of 6 missiles, which is different from the Vikhr 6 tube which has two rows with two missiles on the top row and four missiles underneath... which makes it wider.

    The thing is that the 6 tube Vikhr as well as the 8 tube Ataka on the Havoc are four missiles wide so you wouldn't fit two side by side... but the 6 tube Ataka is narrow... only two missile tubes wide so you could probably either fit four on the Hokum or indeed fit two on the inner pylon on the Havoc.

    If this is true then you should be able to load out the Hokum with 24 Ataka missiles or 12 atakas and 12 Vikhrs, but also you should be able to load the 6 Atakas on each inner pylon on the Havoc with the 8 atakas on the outside pylon... so that would be 28 Atakas.

    Of course the Hokum has three wing pylons per wing so that could be 24 atakas and 4 Iglas, or 24 atakas and 8 iglas depending on whether you put two or four missiles on each outer pylon.

    Of course with cheap laser guided rockets a 20 shot rocket pod is better...
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    Post  GarryB on Thu May 09, 2019 4:23 am

    According to this it can only carry 12 ATGMs...

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    Post  George1 on Tue May 28, 2019 2:56 pm

    Russia’s Aerospace Force to get 30 more Ka-52 attack helicopters by 2022

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    Post  Isos on Tue May 28, 2019 4:15 pm

    GarryB wrote:According to this it can only carry 12 ATGMs...


    12 tanks destroyed is a huge lose for most armies. Less missile but bigger ones means Pk is higher and guidance part is bigger and more effective.
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    Post  dino00 on Tue May 28, 2019 8:31 pm

    In 2020, the Ministry of Defense intends to conclude a contract for the purchase of 114 Ka-52M helicopters

    ARSENYEV / Primorsky Krai / May 28. / Tass /. In 2020, the Russian Defense Ministry plans to conclude a contract for the purchase of 114 upgraded Ka-52M combat helicopters, Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko told reporters on Tuesday during a visit to the Progress aircraft factory in Primorsky Krai.

    "We expect to sign a new contract for 114 upgraded helicopters Like-52M next year," he said.

    As Krivoruchko specified, an upgraded version of the Ka-52 Alligator helicopter, the Ka-52M, will be created by 2022. As part of the development work, the Syrian experience will be taken into account, the helicopter will receive new power supply and target detection systems, the machine will be more secure, and the range of application of aviation weapons will increase

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