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    PapaDragon

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  PapaDragon on Fri May 04, 2018 6:18 pm

    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ka-50 are used as spec-ops support, they are stationed near Moscow

    Makes sense, it would be a waste to decommission them but since there are only handful of them they are kept close to maintenance centers in support role

    It's weired that they didn't send one of them in Syria to compare with the ka-52. Maybe the single seat is enough and the two seat wasn't needed.

    They determined long ago that two seater is superior (Chechnia)

    And operating single seater efficiently is not really easy, you need top tier pilots for those
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Isos on Fri May 04, 2018 7:24 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ka-50 are used as spec-ops support, they are stationed near Moscow

    Makes sense, it would be a waste to decommission them but since there are only handful of them they are kept close to maintenance centers in support role

    It's weired that they didn't send one of them in Syria to compare with the ka-52. Maybe the single seat is enough and the two seat wasn't needed.

    They determined long ago that two seater is superior (Chechnia)

    And operating single seater efficiently is not really easy, you need top tier pilots for those

    Counter terrorist operations are harder than ordinary military operations. Targets are easier to find when they are big green tanks.

    If you spot a group of tanks it's easier to attack them than attack poeple with ak-47 in a city.

    In syria isis had a lot of vehicles so the they could have trained against them the single seat version. Hiting them from 10 km doesn't recquire two guys.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sat May 05, 2018 10:16 am

    The original justification for the single seat design was that an A-10 or Su-25 pilot can fly and hunt targets on a battlefield, and flight in the Ka-50 is rather simple with no tail rotor, and the expensive and complicated Shkval targeting system making engaging enemy fairly straight forward.

    The problem is that flying at night and in bad weather is actually a full time job when you are flying that low... so an additional crewman to operate weapons is useful... because attack helos are safer and often more effective at night.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Tue May 08, 2018 12:37 am

    The total number of Ka-52s will be 260 vehicles by 2027, which will make them the main attack helicopters of all the armed forces, said a source close to the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3191149.html
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:35 am

    Ka-52 with what looks like new type of sensors (square "eggs") for the Vitebsk self defense suite

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  LMFS on Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:13 pm

    Modified DIRCM turrets apparently...
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  archangelski on Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:29 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:Ka-52 with what looks like new type of sensors (square "eggs") for the Vitebsk self defense suite

    L418-5 sensors replacing the L370-5 ones.

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  hoom on Mon Aug 20, 2018 4:18 am

    Per Charly015 http://charly015.blogspot.com/2018/08/nuevo-laser-para-el-ka-52.html these have been previously seen on the Ka-52 for Egypt


    Nose ball looks different than normal, but not same as the Egyptian ones which I thought they were getting upgraded to.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  George1 on Fri Sep 14, 2018 2:00 pm

    According to open sources, Ka-52, alongside Mi-28N, Mi-35 and Mi-8AMTSh, will in the future be equipped with a new generation universal missile complex Hermes-A having a range of up to 20 kilometers.

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    http://tass.com/defense/1021571
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:19 am

    Makes sense now that new IR optics and radar sensors makes detecting targets at that range a possibility.

    Of course it is important to keep in mind that a tank sitting out on an open plain could be detected at 20km... especially if it is moving... it wont be detecting all of its targets at 20km or more...
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  dino00 on Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:10 pm

    Alligator" is waiting for rebirth: Ka-52 helicopters will be upgraded

    The Russian military ordered a super- "Alligators". Following the results of the operation in Syria, the Ka-52 reconnaissance-attack helicopter will undergo major changes. Experimental design work for two years. After their graduation, the military will receive an un-upgraded "Alligator", and in fact a completely new combat vehicle. Its parameters will exceed both domestic and foreign developments. In particular, the Ka-52 will have a new composite armor, its arsenal will replenish the Whirlwind missiles and the Hermes ultra-long-range complexes. Optoelectronic systems will also change. This will allow helicopter pilots at any time of the day to hit targets at a distance of over 10 km.

    According to Izvestia, engineers are now working on the task of increasing the strength of the cockpit without increasing the total weight of the helicopter (slightly more than 10 tons, which is less than the mass of most other helicopter gunships). It will be solved by replacing titanium with high-strength composite materials. Composite armor will be able to withstand hitting not only 23-mm shells, but also fire 57-mm automatic guns.
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    In addition, it is planned to modernize the gyrostabilized optical-electronic system (GOES-451), which is installed in the nose of the helicopter. It is equipped with a camera, thermal imager, laser range finder, target designator, laser sensor and guided missile guidance system. After completion, the system, according to the technical task, will have to detect armored vehicles at a distance of 10 km (now a little more than 5 km).

    In addition, as part of the modernization, work on the creation of a Hermes-A guided missile with a range of approximately 20 km should be completed
    . Her tests are still underway. After their completion, the rocket will become a regular ammunition for the Ka-52. A missile with such a range will be aimed at using an onboard radar "Arbalet".

    https://iz.ru/791405/roman-kretcul-aleksei-ramm/alligator-zhdet-pererozhdenie-vertolety-ka-52-budut-modernizirovany

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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  medo on Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:55 pm

    In Syria Ka-52 usually attack their targets with ATGM at 8 km distance in night time. It already have detection range at 10 km.
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    Re: Ka-52 in Russian Air Force

    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:14 am

    I suspect the improved sensors will make it easier to detect targets at longer ranges than the current systems...

    They basically said the same thing about the upgrade of the Havoc from the Mi-28N to the Mi-28NM...

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