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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #16

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:30 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Flagship Victory wrote:Azov reports fighting in Shirokino right now. Looks like Azov went on the offensive after NAF in Shirokino ordered not to shoot back after unilaterally demilitarizing Shirokino.

    "The battle is still under way now. It's all progressing according to the standard script. Artillery is at work, cannons, mortars and rockets. At the moment there is only one wounded Ukrainian soldier. There are still civilians there, no-one has taken them out."

    http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-499-further-evidence-of-military-activity-near-recently-discovered-russian-base/

    Do you think the NAF will adhere the Minsk agreement and not shoot back or shoot back and defend themselves?

    This must be the most pathetic "war" ever.

    They were ordered not to shoot back because of gesture of good will. Has nothing to do with Minsk.
    These "gestures of good will" have become a farce...
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    Post  Flagship Victory Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:34 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:These "gestures of good will" have become a farce...

    True. This isn't even good PR anymore. This is silliness. What does Maidan do with captured NAF soldiers? Execution.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:55 pm

    Flagship Victory wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:These "gestures of good will" have become a farce...

    True. This isn't even good PR anymore. This is silliness. What does Maidan do with captured NAF soldiers? Execution.
    And who do these morons think is the audience of their "good will"? The West? Very Happy
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    Post  Flagship Victory Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:01 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:And who do these morons think is the audience of their "good will"? The West? Very Happy

    Not sure but I'm guessing Maidan.
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    Post  Khepesh Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:10 pm

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    Grade A quality humor for Russian speakers it seems  lol1

    Klitschko was unable to answer a number of times on one question. VIDEO

    The mayor of Kiev, known for its colorful expressions, surprised netizens that has repeatedly failed to answer the question of the journalist to sign a document with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.


    http://ria.ru/world/20150630/1104731986.html

    The mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko again attracted the attention of the users of the Internet - this time that has not given any concrete response leading Ukrainian media about the agreement, which allegedly was made ​​before the election in Ukraine in 2014.

    Klitschko to the question of what to do on this meeting Sergei Lyovochkin, said he did not remember. Kyiv Mayor said that "not ready to comment on how this or that politician found himself elsewhere."

    "I met with all the politicians who are in Ukrainian politics, regardless of their political views, political parties, because political dialogue should be with all" - said Vitaly Klitschko.

    Klitschko said that exactly remember the date of his arrival in Vienna - March 25, the birthday of his brother Wladimir Klitschko, after which the leader asks the question of how the mayor of Kiev met with Firtash.

    "On the way to my brother, I met so many people," - said Klitschko, but has not said how he met with Ukrainian oligarch.
    On several occasions repeated the question of whether to sign with Klitschko Poroshenko any documents until March 25, 2014 on or after, the politician said: "For a very long time has passed ... I sign every day a huge number of papers ... Well, I do not really remember."
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:01 pm

    Today's 'cloud cuckoo land' quote, from the man himself

    KYIV, July 1 /Ukrinform/. President of Ukraine believes the key goal is to regain control over the uncontrolled border section between Ukraine and Russia. He told reporters at the presentation of draft amendments to the Constitution of Ukraine regarding decentralization.

    "A key element of security is to restore control by Ukraine over the uncontrolled segment at Ukraine-Russian border. For today it is the only condition that we need in order to complete the peace process - a withdrawal of Russian occupation troops from the Ukrainian territory, halt of supplying tools for killing Ukrainians - arms and modern ammunition that is still delivered from the territory of the Russian Federation. And then we will regain the order very quickly, and restore the constitutional law," Poroshenko noted.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:04 am


    I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!! affraid

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html
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    Post  Erk Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:36 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!! affraid

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html

    Running cars on wood is not a bad idea, as it's renewable. Probably need some up to day 21st century device to do it, not from the 2nd world war vintage.

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    Post  kvs Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:23 am

    Erk wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!! affraid

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html

    Running cars on wood is not a bad idea, as it's renewable. Probably need some up to day 21st century device to do it, not from the 2nd world war vintage.


    Wood, aka cellulose, is composed of sugar molecules. Fermentation with bacteria that have the right enzymes can produce ethanol.
    Brazil gets it from sugar cane and the US gets it from corn. Burning wood directly is a non-starter unless you want to have a high
    temperature furnace driving a steam engine. But the energy return on energy invested in ethanol production from corn is bad and
    no cellulose based ethanol production exists anywhere.
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    Post  Erk Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:34 am

    kvs wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    I'm on tablet so can't type much but holy cow check this out!!!! affraid

    http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/07/ukraines-alternative-to-russian-gas-wood.html

    Running cars on wood is not a bad idea, as it's renewable. Probably need some up to day 21st century device to do it, not from the 2nd world war vintage.


    Wood, aka cellulose, is composed of sugar molecules.   Fermentation with bacteria that have the right enzymes can produce ethanol.  
    Brazil gets it from sugar cane and the US gets it from corn.    Burning wood directly is a non-starter unless you want to have a high
    temperature furnace driving a steam engine.   But the energy return on energy invested in ethanol production from corn is bad and
    no cellulose based ethanol production exists anywhere.    

    You can also de-polymerize wood into bio-crude for about $55/barrel, basically turning sawdust into jet fuel.

    http://www.licella.com.au/about-us/about-licella.html

    Licella has a chemical process that converts modern biomass, wood waste and grasses, into a liquid fuel. And that process is just a way of depolymerising the polymers that nature produces, which are the biomass, the solid woods, the solid other grasses, things that can grow in a lifetime and can be regrown. So it means that we can then use the waste material from a traditional forestry industry. They replant the trees, the trees absorb carbon dioxide and they grow, we take the woody waste they produce and we convert that into a bio-crude. So we reverse nature's process of making a complex solid polymer, which is wood, and we convert that to a liquid which is a bio-crude oil, and we make it such that it's completely compatible to be blended in with the fossil oil and it can go through exactly the same structure of refinery as fossil oil does today, but what you put in your petrol tank or in your truck or in your aeroplane has a biofuel component from this waste biomass.
    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/energy-futures---part-3-of-4/6542116#transcript


    Though I doubt if Ukraine could afford that tech.
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    Post  kap-the-head Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:53 am

    One of the volunteers in Donbass, Alexei Smirnov (Shariy often refers to him in his videos) is saying that it's imperative that we move all the kids out of the area within three days, or disaster will strike.
    "Ситуация экстренная обьявляю сбор средств на вывоз детей с линии фронта.
    В течение трех дней нужно вывезти иначе быть беде.."

    I wonder if they see something we don't...
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    Post  whir Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:05 am

    Политика 2015 wrote:ATO on drugs - I was covered!
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:43 am

    WHAT ????? Shocked Shocked Shocked

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

    Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists Shocked

    Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ? Shocked lol1 Laughing ), it experienced quick success Shocked Laughing Laughing . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1 , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

    But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle lol1  lol1  as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard. lol1  lol1

    Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group. lol!  lol!  lol!  lol!  Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

    This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts? lol!  lol!

    I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot lol1  lol1  lol1 )
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    Post  Guest Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:33 am

    Khepesh wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Now I feel really bad for not paying attention in Russian language class.... cry

    Grade A quality humor for Russian speakers it seems  lol1

    Klitschko was unable to answer a number of times on one question. VIDEO

    The mayor of Kiev, known for its colorful expressions, surprised netizens that has repeatedly failed to answer the question of the journalist to sign a document with President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.


    http://ria.ru/world/20150630/1104731986.html

    The mayor of Kiev Vitali Klitschko again attracted the attention of the users of the Internet - this time that has not given any concrete response leading Ukrainian media about the agreement, which allegedly was made ​​before the election in Ukraine in 2014.

    Klitschko to the question of what to do on this meeting Sergei Lyovochkin, said he did not remember. Kyiv Mayor said that "not ready to comment on how this or that politician found himself elsewhere."

    "I met with all the politicians who are in Ukrainian politics, regardless of their political views, political parties, because political dialogue should be with all" - said Vitaly Klitschko.

    Klitschko said that exactly remember the date of his arrival in Vienna - March 25, the birthday of his brother Wladimir Klitschko, after which the leader asks the question of how the mayor of Kiev met with Firtash.

    "On the way to my brother, I met so many people," - said Klitschko, but has not said how he met with Ukrainian oligarch.
    On several occasions repeated the question of whether to sign with Klitschko Poroshenko any documents until March 25, 2014 on or after, the politician said: "For a very long time has passed ... I sign every day a huge number of papers ... Well, I do not really remember."
    Klichko, the Ukranian Cicero, the greatest orator and philosopher of the age....
    "Yesterday I thought that tomorrow was today"
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    Post  Guest Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:45 am

    higurashihougi wrote:WHAT ????? Shocked Shocked Shocked

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

    Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists Shocked

    Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ? Shocked  lol1  Laughing ), it experienced quick success Shocked  Laughing  Laughing . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1 , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

    But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle lol1  lol1  as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard. lol1  lol1

    Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group. lol!  lol!  lol!  lol!  Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

    This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts? lol!  lol!

    I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot lol1  lol1  lol1 )
    Yikes!!! We all really underestimated the Ukrainian Military guys! How could we not see that Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo were easily decisive Ukrop victories? I guess the next time I visit Moscow I will be paying in Griven not Rubles....
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:05 am

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:WHAT ????? Shocked Shocked Shocked

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

    Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists Shocked

    Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ? Shocked  lol1  Laughing ), it experienced quick success Shocked  Laughing  Laughing . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1 , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).


    But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle lol1  lol1  as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard. lol1  lol1

    Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group. lol!  lol!  lol!  lol!  Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

    This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts? lol!  lol!

    I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot lol1  lol1  lol1 )
    Yikes!!! We all really underestimated the Ukrainian Military guys! How could we not see that Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo were easily decisive Ukrop victories? I guess the next time I visit Moscow I will be paying in Griven not Rubles....

    Good God, the propaganda is reaching world war two levels even from the west now, the hysteria and downright lies are incredible. Its not even a case of twisting facts anymore, its just blatant turning the truth on its head and making up nonsense.

    Talking of which, did anyone else see poroshenkos claim yesterday that there are 200,000 russian troops in donbass? Sounds like he is setting the ground to justify anther ukie cockup to me.



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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:16 am

    The US pressure Kiev to comply with Minsk? Now that is a novel idea that will go down very well with McCain and his buddies in Congress.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) – US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland will meet with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin on July 9 to discuss how Washington can increase its influence on Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements on Ukrainian reconciliation. “Taking into account how fast time flies, there’s not much time until the end of the year and we meet periodically to discuss how to constructively influence Kiev so that it stops all of its zigzag political shifting and moves on to dialogue and to solving all of the issues that are fixed in the Minsk agreements,” Karasin said. Though the date of the meeting between the two diplomats has been scheduled, the venue has so far not been named, Karasin added. “The United States has levers of influence,” Karasin said, but they can be used even if the United States is not directly involved in the Normandy format of reconciliation talks and are not participating in the Contact Group.

    In February, leaders of the so-called Normandy quartet of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine following talks in Minsk brokered a ceasefire agreement between Kiev and the self-proclaimed republics of Luhansk and Donetsk in the country's east.

    The Minsk agreement stipulated an all-out ceasefire and withdrawal of heavy weaponry from the line of contact in eastern Ukraine. According to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) monitors, the ceasefire has been violated many times. Constitutional amendments in Ukraine, providing more autonomy to Donetsk and Luhanks regions, were also stipulated by the Minsk agreement. Kiev authorities have failed to comply with this provision so far.


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    Post  Guest Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:51 am

    Rodinazombie wrote:

    Good God, the propaganda is reaching world war two levels even from the west now, the hysteria and downright lies are incredible. Its not even a case of twisting facts anymore, its just blatant turning the truth on its head and making up nonsense.

    Talking of which, did anyone else see poroshenkos claim yesterday that there are 200,000 russian troops in donbass? Sounds like he is setting the ground to justify anther ukie cockup to me.

    I think this is the 98392nd time I heard him make a claim like that, so no biggie. Although, I am a fan of the law passed by Porky that allows foreign troops in Ukraine though. Best invitation for the Polite People to walk right in and correct the disturbance in the Force caused by the Maidan. Legally, I might add as well.

    But in all seriousness, I love how people comment that Yanukovich asked foreign troops to try and save the peace. But not a word has been uttered by this law which is effectively meant to bring a even more foreign force into the crippled country to bring even more bloodshed.
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    Post  Rodinazombie Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:21 pm

    Ivan the Colorado wrote:
    Rodinazombie wrote:

    Good God, the propaganda is reaching world war two levels even from the west now, the hysteria and downright lies are incredible. Its not even a case of twisting facts anymore, its just blatant turning the truth on its head and making up nonsense.

    Talking of which, did anyone else see poroshenkos claim yesterday that there are 200,000 russian troops in donbass? Sounds like he is setting the ground to justify anther ukie cockup to me.

    I think this is the 98392nd time I heard him make a claim like that, so no biggie. Although, I am a fan of the law passed by Porky that allows foreign troops in Ukraine though. Best invitation for the Polite People to walk right in and correct the disturbance in the Force caused by the Maidan. Legally, I might add as well.

    But in all seriousness, I love how people comment that Yanukovich asked foreign troops to try and save the peace. But not a word has been uttered by this law which is effectively meant to bring a even more foreign force into the crippled country to bring even more bloodshed.

    Its not just the foreign troops he is allowing in, its also the georgians, lithuanians, americans that are holding positions of power in his government. Maidan was supposed to be about bringing a change, about removing oligarchs, about becoming independent of a foreign power.

    That went well didnt it? Now they have a new gang of even worse oligarchs that hand out ua passports to anyone who wants a job and hates moskals, are sucking on obama and merkels teat and completely under the thumb of uncle same. Well done ukrainians.






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    Post  Neutrality Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:25 pm

    What's up with the NAF pulling out their men in Shirokino? Anyone got an explanation?
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:32 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The US pressure Kiev to comply with Minsk? Now that is a novel idea that will go down very well with McCain and his buddies in Congress.

    US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland will meet with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin on July 9 to discuss how Washington can increase its influence on Kiev to implement the Minsk agreements on Ukrainian reconciliation.

    (....)

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20150702/1024112735.html#ixzz3eiwGTjTC

    I don't have much hope. Minsk 2.0 has been f**ked, just like EU. Ah yes, "f*** the EU".
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    Post  wilhelm Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:38 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:WHAT ????? Shocked Shocked Shocked

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/07/01/ukraine-can-defeat-the-separatists/

    Ukraine Can Defeat The Separatists Shocked

    Ukraine is much stronger than people give it credit for. Up until now, the Ukrainians have been fighting with one arm tied behind their back—much of their combat power has deliberately been held in reserve, to risk provoking Russia into allocating more forces to the fight. The last time the Ukrainian military mounted a calculated offensive against the separatists, in August of last year (so that means the two offensives later were not calculated ? Shocked  lol1  Laughing ), it experienced quick success Shocked  Laughing  Laughing . Russia had to move thousands of soldiers across the border to shore up separatist resolve lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1 , and assisted the separatists with artillery, tanks and anti-air assets (including the Russian AA battery that shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17).

    But Ukraine does have sophisticated defensive capabilities, which are increasing with every day. The Ukrainian population—especially Kyiv and parts of the West and South—feels more and more invested in the struggle lol1  lol1  as friends and relatives are killed or wounded on the front lines. And Ukrainian military formations are training hard. lol1  lol1

    Russia is fragile. The longer it waits in Ukraine, the greater the chances that its military forces will encounter a disaster not faced since World War II: the encirclement and destruction of a Russian battle group. lol!  lol!  lol!  lol!  Every week that passes, the Ukrainian military is growing stronger and more confident. Every week that passes, the Russian soldiers and units become more certain that they have the advantage, and that their Ukrainian adversaries are weak and unmotivated.

    This is the greatest risk we face for World War III. Not that Russia defeats Ukraine and moves toward Poland and Estonia, but that Ukraine wipes out the Russians currently in Ukraine, and Putin is forced to take some drastic action to prevent further losses. After all, why should Ukraine not feel entitled to take some of Russia’s territory in return for their lost Crimea? And who will be there to stop them, save demoralized and confused Russian conscripts? lol!  lol!

    I hope Western negotiators are able to help Putin see the folly of his position in Ukraine, and sooner rather than later—the longer he stays in Ukraine, the more likely it is that he will suffer a dangerous and humiliating reverse. (oh shut up you idiot lol1  lol1  lol1 )

    It's like reading the musings of a 12 year old.
    Or Joseph Goebbels towards the end.

    Delusional and ignoring what is actually happening in the real world.
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    Post  whir Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:14 pm

    Rodinazombie wrote:about becoming independent of a foreign power.
    No, no, it was all about not being Russian and becoming European Rolling Eyes.
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    Post  auslander Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:19 pm

    kap-the-head wrote:One of the volunteers in Donbass, Alexei Smirnov (Shariy often refers to him in his videos) is saying that it's imperative that we move all the kids out of the area within three days, or disaster will strike.
    "Ситуация экстренная обьявляю сбор средств на вывоз детей с линии фронта.
    В течение трех дней нужно вывезти иначе быть беде.."

    I wonder if they see something we don't...

    Source please?
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    Post  auslander Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:22 pm

    Neutrality wrote:What's up with the NAF pulling out their men in Shirokino? Anyone got an explanation?

    Don't know how true it is but Shirokino is still being shot by the orcs as of an hour ago.

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