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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  auslander on Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:00 am

    I know, but nothing beats hard copy if someone has it. They will hold him until they can discredit whatever he has. It's not like it will be the first time for such action.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  auslander on Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:51 am

    The BUK part has showed up on CBS news, found it by accident.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mh17-malaysia-airlines-flight-17-dutch-investigation-photo-buk-missile/

    No date, no time frame, no location beyond 'at the crash sight'. Never heard of this part being found before. I call bovine scatology.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:19 pm

    Banderas attempt to storm Lvov Rada to remove mayor Andrei Sadoviy, failed.
    http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2789151.html
    http://112.ua/statji/chto-proizoshlo-v-gorsovete-lvova-vse-podrobnosti-317277.html
    Lot of photos on both links, and the video


    Also today a rally by banderas in Odessa took place to remove mayor Gennady Trukhanov for suspicion that he has Russian passport, failed.
    http://112.ua/obshchestvo/pod-ap-prohodit-miting-s-trebovaniem-uvolit-mera-odessy-truhanova-317370.html

    Also, the problem of the amber miners in the general area of Rovno has not dissapeared and a few days back there was renewed violence between them and the police.

    And, yesterday Zakharchenko made it clear to the people of Zaporozhye that the only solutions are removal of the government in Kiev in first instance, then refferendums in the free areas of Ukraine to determine the future, and he again used the word "confederation". His use of phrase "Free areas of Ukraine" is interesting as he clearly meant more than LDNR. Comments in other places starts to suggest the possibility of, at least for a time, the merging of leadership of DNR and LNR and that Plotnitsky will go and Zakharchenko take at least nominal control. But this is unclear and likely wishfull thinking.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:23 pm

    Some brilliant Vitaly photos of the T-72B3 as part of a 'RA in Donbas' article. Can't say many of us would agree with much of it tho'. As they say "no photo, no proof". I've copied the photos to the photo thread.







    https://warisboring.com/this-tank-has-become-an-icon-of-russias-secret-war-in-ukraine-19711a6b7bae#.he05ofhwk

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Ispan on Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:55 pm

    JohninMK

    I don't get it. You are saying that's indeed proof of Russian tanks in Donbass? or it's just made up stuff?

    Anyone with command of Russian can please update on what militia and Russian sites are saying on the situation?, fighting has gotten much worse in the past week, they are saying it's like the days of the fight for the airport

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:58 pm

    Ispan wrote:JohninMK

    I don't get it. You are saying that's indeed proof of Russian tanks in Donbass? or it's just made up stuff?

    Anyone with command of Russian can please update on what militia and Russian sites are saying on the situation?, fighting has gotten much worse in the past week, they are saying it's like the days of the fight for the airport

    He just posted photos of Novo tanks. They came from BS article but pics are top quality.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:49 pm

    Is Right Sector still in Peski? & where is Yarosh?

    I tried to find the old video of him and his "troops" filmed in Peski.

    John Patrick Lancaster is posting about recent shelling coming from Peski.

    Many injured as Ukraine shelling hit dozens of homes in Donetsk Part 1


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:56 pm

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday Jun 7

    #Ukraine cannon fire nearly hits elderly woman in her kitchen in #Donetsk
    Home owner suspects its a #NATO made round https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w766uRq3ERw …

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday Jun 8

    #Donetsk is popping tonight, UAVs, anti-air cannon fire, artillery every few minutes and the smell a fire in center city. #Ukraine #War #DPR

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday Jun 8

    Heavy shelling now and lights are starting to flicker on and off
    Center #Donetsk, #DPR #Ukraine

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 24h24 hours ago

    Recieving info of at least 2 homes hit by shelling here in #Donetsk #DPR #Ukraine #War

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 23h23 hours ago

    Just talked to someone in the #Donetsk train station area,they can hear the incoming whistle of the shells before they hit the city.#Ukraine

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 23h23 hours ago

    #BreakingNews Reports of 2 civ. seriously injured & aleast 4 homes hit by #Ukraine artillery in #Donetsk.At 1st light I will access & report

    Patrick Lancaster Retweeted
    ☭Марина_Саакян☭ ‏@marina_saniram 23h23 hours ago

    VERY IMPORTANT!

    #Kuibyshevsky district of #Donetsk - direct hit in a private house, 2 seriously injured,a woman-belly, man -in head
    29 retweets 2 likes

    Patrick Lancaster Retweeted
    ☭Марина_Саакян☭ ‏@marina_saniram 23h23 hours ago

    VERY IMPORTANT!

    Right now!

    APU are shelling of #Makeyevka and #Donetsk from heavy weapons

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 14h14 hours ago

    Visited 2 civilian areas in #Donetsk that were shelled by #Ukraine. 2 injured 3 homes destroyed. Report to follow

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 6h6 hours ago

    My Eng Sub Report from last nights sheling. Many injured as #Ukraine shelling hit dozens of homes in #Donetsk Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQN42li8e8 …

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 6h6 hours ago

    As last night was the heaviest shelling in #Donetsk this Year I am headed out to another location of shelling to report from. #Ukraine #War
    23 retweets 3 likes

    Patrick Lancaster Retweeted
    Ikraska ‏@IrkaG 6h6 hours ago

    Many injured as Ukraine shelling hit dozens of homes in Donetsk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQN42li8e8 … by
    @PLnewstoday

    Patrick Lancaster ‏@PLnewstoday 49m49 minutes ago

    Elderly woman is homeless & alone after last nights shelling in #Donetsk heavily damaged her home https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzXwriduE4Elderly … #Ukraine #War #DPR

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:12 pm

    For real? they themselves say where they was in Feb. Rolling Eyes

    Ukrainian Crusade ‏@UANationalists Feb 24

    #RightSector takes new positions at the outskirts of #Donetsk. read:

    http://ukrainiancrusade.blogspot.com/2016/02/right-sector-takes-new-positions-on.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:50 pm

    Patrick John Lancaster added 3 new photos.
    38 mins ·

    Spent the evening investigating report other shelling locations in civilian areas of Makiivka suburb of Donetsk.
    Found many more homes that were shelled last night & unfortunately verified that one woman and her dog were killed from incoming shelling. Video Reports to follow


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:20 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ispan wrote:JohninMK

    I don't get it. You are saying that's indeed proof of Russian tanks in Donbass? or it's just made up stuff?

    Anyone with command of Russian can please update on what militia and Russian sites are saying on the situation?, fighting has gotten much worse in the past week, they are saying it's like the days of the fight for the airport

    He just posted photos of Novo tanks. They came from BS article but pics are top quality.
    Thanks and yes. I somehow doubt that Vitaly ventured into Donbas.

    And the article is, as you say, regurgitated guff.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:51 am

    from Yarosh facebook, google translate below
    photos at link below

    Дмитро Ярош
    added 8 new photos.
    Yesterday at 12:31am ·

    Дмитро Ярош і Надія Савченко зустрілися на передовій

    6-7 червня народні депутати Дмитро Ярош і Надія Савченко разом відвідали українських воїнів з різних підрозділів, що дислокуються у найгарячіших точках Донеччини - місті Авдіївка і селищі Широкине. Під час поїздки депутати зустрілися з керівником військово-цивільної адміністрації м.Авдіївка Павлом Малихіним.

    Також Надія Савченко відвідала бази 5-го і 8-го батальйонів УДА, зокрема, випробувала на полігоні унікальну експериментальну зброю, що виготовлена у зброярні УДА й існує поки що в єдиному екземлярі.

    Бійців Української добровольчої армії та добровольців ЗСУ, які спілкувалися з Надією Савченко, цікавило передусім одне: коли ми вже підемо у наступ? Позиція Надії на сьогодні достатньо обережна і поміркована: вона вважає, що треба робити все, щоб проливалося якомога менше української крові і щоб українські полонені якнайшвидше повернулися додому, і виступає за ведення війни диверсійними групами. Також вона сподівається на закриття кордонів з РФ і зменшення кремлівського впливу на території так званих "ЛНР-ДНР".

    Дмитро Ярош і Надія Савченко обговорили майбутню співпрацю з питань оборони, легалізації добровольців та звільнення українських полонених. Наскільки плідною буде ця співпраця - покаже час, але вже сьогодні можна сказати, що двоє політиків-воїнів знайшли спільну мову


    Dmitry Yarosh and Nadia Savchenko met at the forefront

    June 6-7, deputies Dmitry Yarosh Hope Savchenko and together visited the Ukrainian soldiers from different units stationed in the hottest spots of Donetsk - a city Avdeevka and the village Shyrokyne. During the trip, the deputies met with the head of the military-civilian administration m.Avdiyivka Paul Malykhina.

    Hope Savchenko also visited the base of the 5th and 8th battalions UDD particularly experienced at the site a unique experimental weapon in the armory which is made UDA and there is still a single ekzemlyari.

    Fighters Ukrainian Volunteer Army and the Armed Forces volunteers who communicated with Nadezhda Savchenko, primarily interested in one thing: when we go on the offensive? Hope position today rather cautious and moderate, she believes that we must do everything to make shone as little blood Ukrainian and Ukrainian prisoners to come home as soon as possible, and advocates of war subversive groups. She also hopes to close the borders with Russia and the Kremlin reduce the impact on the so-called "FSC-NPT".

    Dmitry Yarosh Hope Savchenko and discussed future cooperation on defense issues, legalization of Ukrainian volunteers and release prisoners. How will this fruitful collaboration - time will tell, but today we can say that the two politicians, soldiers found a common language

    http://sectorpravdy.com/ua/news/duknews/1723-dmytro-yarosh-i-nadiia-savchenko-zustrilysia-na-peredovii


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:54 am


    Patrick John Lancaster
    7 mins ·

    Well that all the shelling locations I was able to get to today. unfortunately there are many more. Last night was the heaviest shelling in the last year. Tonight seems quiet, we will see. Good all


    Ukraine shell heavily damages a home in Donetsk Suburb


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:54 am

    Demonstration this morning in Donetsk against any OSCE armed mission. More than thirty thousand people took part. Also Pushilin called emergency meeting of the contact group about the bombardment of Donetsk, which he has described as now being at the level of August last year. Zakharchenko still maintains that Zaporozhye may be in part of "land corridor" to Crimea. In military terms, IF any land corridor occured, it would of course not just be a strip of land along the coast, but need to control inland up to at least Zaporozhye. Seems everytime him or Pushilin talk about these affairs now they are laying out a plan to liberate all of Novorossiya. It can all just be talk, trolling Kiev, but I think it is not, as his words are so direct to the people and are a clear incitement to rebel, but the fiasco in Kharkov will not be forgotten quickly and people will want to see clear evidence of ability to put words into deeds before any uprisings. All hangs on the offensive.



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Neutrality on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:17 pm

    Euro 2016 starts today so expect the provocations to ramp up, just like the Olympic Games in 2008 and the Olympics in Sochi.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:28 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Euro 2016 starts today so expect the provocations to ramp up, just like the Olympic Games in 2008 and the Olympics in Sochi.
    Not so sure about that. The football is really just a local competition for football fans in Europe, the other two were world events with blanket MSM coverage.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  KiloGolf on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:39 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Zakharchenko still maintains that Zaporozhye may be in part of "land corridor" to Crimea. In military terms, IF any land corridor occured, it would of course not just be a strip of land along the coast, but need to control inland up to at least Zaporozhye.

    They barely control half of their republic's area and just about the two capitals (which are like Seoul, at the mercy of enemy artillery - starting from mortars...). They should come back to reality.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:51 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    Khepesh wrote:Zakharchenko still maintains that Zaporozhye may be in part of "land corridor" to Crimea. In military terms, IF any land corridor occured, it would of course not just be a strip of land along the coast, but need to control inland up to at least Zaporozhye.

    They barely control half of their republic's area and just about the two capitals (which are like Seoul, at the mercy of enemy artillery - starting from motrars...). They should come back to reality.
    This looks like PSYOPS. The DNR/LPR/Moscow grouping know that they cannot initiate anything to get rid of Kiev's army sitting in their fields. They have to allow Kiev to make the first move and one of the ways of achieving that is to rattle them so much that they are panicked into doing something. We should expect more of this type of activity until they crack.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:21 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Euro 2016 starts today so expect the provocations to ramp up, just like the Olympic Games in 2008 and the Olympics in Sochi.
    Not so sure about that. The football is really just a local competition for football fans in Europe, the other two were world events with blanket MSM coverage.
    Yet the match between Ukraine and Poland may cause some excitment when perhaps Poles unfurl large banner about Volyn.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  medo on Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:07 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Euro 2016 starts today so expect the provocations to ramp up, just like the Olympic Games in 2008 and the Olympics in Sochi.

    Considering, that provocations are in the times of Olympic games, that they will be more real in August in times of Olympics in Rio.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Khepesh on Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:04 am

    Due to, at the very least, the bombardment of Donetsk on the night 8/9 June and the bombardment of residential areas of Gorlovka last night, is there a well thought out and articulated reason not to launch major artillery bombardments and other actions to destroy all known ukrops artillery positions around Donetsk and Gorlovka.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  TheArmenian on Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:55 am

    Ukropian BMP was hit in its tracks by SPG-9 recoiless rifle. Crew abandoned. It was decided to terminate the BMP with ATGM.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:23 pm

    Khepesh wrote:Due to, at the very least, the bombardment of Donetsk on the night 8/9 June and the bombardment of residential areas of Gorlovka last night, is there a well thought out and articulated reason not to launch major artillery bombardments and other actions to destroy all known ukrops artillery positions around Donetsk and Gorlovka.

    Yes there is, the Minsk agreement.

    Russia won't allow the DPR to escalate the war any further. The DPR will just have to bare with all the civilian casualties and infrastructure being destroyed.

    We all would love to see the DPR to start a full war against the junta, but it goes against the interests of Kremlin.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  Karl Haushofer on Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:41 pm

    Over 50,000 Donbass residents took part of a protest against the armed OSCE mission: http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/06/photos-video-50000-rally-in-donetsk.html

    Donbass people don’t trust the OSCE officials because they are suspected of being biased for Kiev and against Donbass, and for a good reason. People of Donbass don’t want hostile military officers in their land carrying weapons.

    The problem: Russia agreed to let the OSCE officers to be armed, in spite of protests from Donbass. Kiev also supports the OSCE armed mission in Donbass, because Kiev knows that the OSCE is on their side.

    But why did Russia agree with this?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #25

    Post  JohninMK on Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:44 pm

    TheArmenian wrote:Ukropian BMP was hit in its tracks by SPG-9 recoiless rifle. Crew abandoned. It was decided to terminate the BMP with ATGM.

    One of those cases where you wish the cameraman would pan to the right so we could see where the other smoke was coming from.

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