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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:11 am

    Flagship Victory wrote:You don't win a war by digging in. You win a war by launching an offensive. Assad lost because he dug in. Nusra won because they launched offensives and took Idlib, Ariha. Whoever digs in defensively will be doomed. The only way NAF can win this is launching offensive after offensive.

    The war in Syria is not over.. The latest problems Syrian army had is that TUrkey have been
    using its own ARmy ,airforce and tanks to help the terrorist fighting in Syria.. Assad is fighting
    against many NATO countries and Israel.. you cannot compare the Syrian war with anything ever
    done before.. Terrorist use suicide bombers as weapons , they drive in Armored cars filled
    with a ton of tnt and detonates it near any gate of Syrian army.. The terrorist are also receiving
    Drone support and logistics from US and Gulf allies.. When you lack of soldiers , you need
    to go defensive.. Or if there are civilians taken hostage ,you cannot just bomb the entire place
    with an airforce.. Things are not a simpler as you point them to be.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 04, 2015 4:33 am

    Maidanists only pick on the weak. Think Donbas is weak? Time to show who is not weak. Watch the west drop its sanctions on Russia when NAF takes Kiev. cheers

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  mutantsushi on Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:30 am

    mack8 wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Ukraine notified UN it recognizes the border with the Republic of CrimeaAHAHAHAHAHAHA.  Russia: 1 USA: 0
    Has that been confirmed anywhere, i can't seem to find anything. There should have been something about it even from the american stooges and their MSM mouthpieces.
    The "article" is BS.  
    UKR's embassy/foreign ministry websites include an embedded GoogleMaps (not "posted to the website", but externally hosted by Google).  
    GoogleMaps shows the "border" between Kherson and Crimea with a dotted line, differently than standard border between countries.  
    The same dotted line is used between Abkhazia and S. Ossetia and the rest of Georgia (but not for Nagorno-Karabakh, nor Transnistria, strangely).
    Likewise there are similar lines running thru Jammu and Kashmir, and if you take those lines as demarcating state borders, then there is probably 4-5 separate countries within J&K, going by the map.
    (the lines seem to be used for contested state boundaries, although not always used consistently)
    Such an announcement is NOT "on the main news page" that I can see,  so saying "The information is also reflected on maps posted on embassy websites" is false.
    I am not sure, but I even heard that Google serves different map boundaries depending on the country you are accessing from, so they are hardly even promoting any one particular position.
    Regardless, even taking it as some statement by UKR, recognizing the border is contested (by Russia) hardly annuls their own claimed border. (neither for Georgia's claim to Abkhaz etc territory)

    What an infantile waste of time.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  cracker on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:03 am

    PURE GOLD! Very Happy

    "NATO wants to destroy ukrainian tanks"

    "T-64 are not needed even by Ukraine"

    2013 article....

    LMAO!!!

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.fr/2013/07/64.html

    Had ukraine listened its masters in 2013... (well, it was then yanukovitch, not so easy for NATO to give orders), what would be of ukraine army today and since 1.5 year of war?

    By the way...

    Why NATO wanted that ukraine destroy its tanks? It seems very funny nowadays... In all sincerity it probably referred only to the ukrainian stockpile of unused T-64s, not those in active service.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Erk on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:16 am

    cracker wrote:PURE GOLD! Very Happy

    "NATO wants to destroy ukrainian tanks"

    "T-64 are not needed even by Ukraine"

    2013 article....

    LMAO!!!

    http://gurkhan.blogspot.fr/2013/07/64.html

    Had ukraine listened its masters in 2013... (well, it was then yanukovitch, not so easy for NATO to give orders), what would be of ukraine army today and since 1.5 year of war?

    By the way...

    Why NATO wanted that ukraine destroy its tanks? It seems very funny nowadays... In all sincerity it probably referred only to the ukrainian stockpile of unused T-64s, not those in active service.

    Obviously disarmament, NATO want to be the only ones with weapons.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  cracker on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:20 am

    T-64BM in a russian army base Very Happy ... Please NATO send Abrams and Leopard 2 in ukraine!!!!!!!!




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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Ivan the Colorado on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:27 am

    cracker wrote:T-64BM in a russian army base Very Happy ... Please NATO send Abrams and Leopard 2 in ukraine!!!!!!!!



    Nice find. Unfortunately, this is the perfect justification against arming Ukraine. Quite sure the MoD won't be too happy to see this picture. Although, I personally would not be surprised if Russia has an M1 Abrams or even an F-16 stashed away like this considering the improved relations and likely arms deals between Russia and Egypt.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  whir on Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:34 am

    Business Insider wrote:The ruble's plunging again
    ELENA HOLODNY JUN. 3, 2015, 1:26 PM

    After a few strong weeks, the ruble fell again following a new offensive in Ukraine and another drop in oil prices.

    On Wednesday, the ruble slipped nearly 2.7% to a 6-week low of 54.26 rubles.

    The currency's plunge follows reports of fighting with "heavy artillery and tanks" in the Donetsk-region towns of Maryinka and Krasnohorivka after a relatively quiet three-month period.

    "Any sign of an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine is going to cause concern in the Russian markets," William Jackson, an analyst at Capital Economics Ltd. told Bloomberg. "It increased the likelihood that sanctions may be renewed or extended."

    Furthermore, oil prices fell on Wednesday. Brent crude dropped 2% (getting as low as 2.7% during the day), while WTI fell 1.8%. Continue reading.

    News-Front wrote:Fierce "truce" in the DNR [18+]

    Shelling Donetsk: Fire on the market "Falcon" after hitting projectile APU

    Exclusive. Today's battle for Marinka. June 3, 2015

    [18+] DNR. Marinka. Sniper duel. Exclusive. June 3, 2015

    Fight for Marinka: Tanks and BMPs work by firing positions APU under artillery fire of the enemy [18+]

    [18+] DNR. Marinka. The fight is a division "tag." Exclusive. June 3, 2015

    Basurin: Avengers 43 times violated the ceasefire, there are victims

    All for the front, everything for victory! Help soldiers in combat positions in Spartaca


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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  AirCargo on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:23 am

    http://www.osce.org/node/162116

    Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), 3 June 2015: Fighting around Marinka

    Kyiv 4 June 2015

    Summary

    Fighting erupted around the government-controlled town of Marinka (23km west-south-west of Donetsk city centre) in the morning of 3 June. The SMM observed the movement of a large amount of heavy weapons in “Donetsk People’s Republic” (“DPR”)-controlled areas – generally in a westerly direction towards the contact line – close to Marinka, preceding and during the fighting. Calm was restored by the early evening.

    Detail

    Between 22:30hrs on 2 June and 05:30hrs on 3 June, the SMM – positioned in the “Donetsk People’s Republic” (“DPR”)-controlled Tekstilshchik area of Donetsk city (14km east-north-east of Marinka) – made a number of observations. It observed, inter alia, eight tracked armoured vehicles moving west, four of which were main battle tanks (MBT) at 22:30hrs; four MBTs at 23:03hrs; a military-type truck moving west, towing a 122mm artillery piece at 23:45hrs; two T-64 MBTs moving west at 04:30hrs; and a column of one infantry fighting vehicle (BMP-2), three military trucks (one carrying an ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft gun), and two T-72 MBTs, moving west, at 04:50hrs. In addition, the SMM – at the same location – heard approximately 100 outgoing artillery rounds fired from a location 1-5km north-north-west of its position between 04:30 and 04:40hrs; an outgoing salvo of BM-21 multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) Grad rockets fired from a location 1-5km west of its position at 04:55hrs; and, 100 outgoing artillery rounds fired from a location 5km north-north-west of its position.

    Between 04:30 and 05:00hrs, the SMM – positioned in Donetsk city-centre – heard several salvos of outgoing MLRS rockets and approximately 100 incoming heavy-artillery rounds.

    Between 07:00 and 08:00hrs, the SMM – mobile in an area 6-9km east of Marinka – observed seven T-64 MBTs facing west. In addition, it heard, on two separate occasions, more than five salvos of outgoing MLRS (BM-21) rockets and heavy-mortar rounds; and 12 outgoing MLRS Grad rockets and mortars.

    At approximately 06:00hrs, an SMM unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) observed intense shelling targeting an intersection of the H15 highway 3.5km south-west of Marinka. The UAV spotted four 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled howitzers 9km south-west of the town at 15:30hrs.

    The SMM made several attempts between 10:45 and 12:11hrs to contact high-ranking “DPR” personnel – including the “DPR” “prime minister”, “parliamentary speaker”, “minister of defence” and “chief of the general staff” – in order to facilitate a cessation to the fighting around Marinka. Either they were unavailable or did not wish to speak to the SMM.

    At 15:00hrs the SMM received a letter from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, saying Ukrainian Armed Forces heavy weapons would be placed on the contact line in order to deal with the “real threat” posed by the fighting in Marinka, which they said had started at 06:00hrs that morning. Ukrainian officials later publicly acknowledged that the weapons had been used, saying their use was necessary in thwarting a “DPR” attack.

    The Representative of the Russian Federation Armed Forces to the Joint Centre for Control and Co-ordination told the SMM at 15:00hrs that a ceasefire around Marinka would take effect at 17:00hrs. He told the SMM at 21:00hrs that the situation around Marinka was currently calm. At around 19:00hrs a representative of the Anti-Terrorist Operation command in Kramatorsk and the “DPR” “ministry of defence” confirmed to the SMM that Marinka was under government control.

    The SMM will follow up on reports of civilian and military casualties in Marinka.


    Contacts

    Michael Bociurkiw
    Spokesperson
    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
    26 Turgenevska Street
    01054 Kyiv
    Ukraine
    Office: +380 44 382 0832
    Mobile: +38 067 4083107
    michael.bociurkiw@osce.org

    Iryna Gudyma
    Senior Press Assistant
    OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine
    26 Turgenevska Street
    01054 Kyiv
    Ukraine
    Mobile: +38 067 4021716
    Iryna.Gudyma@osce.org


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Erk on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:38 am

    So why are the rebels shelling Marinka? Surely that can only cause bad press.

    To defeat Kiev you need prolonged peace not war.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Mr.Comrade on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:38 am

    Looks like hostilities have increased significantly. Let's hope civilian casualties are at a minimum.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Neutrality on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:42 am

    Oh boy, those "Special" Monitoring Missions sure are objective. Rebels getting shelled the hell out of them prior to the intensification of the fight yesterday apparently isn't important to include in the OSCE report. But when they have enough and decide to act, they are suddenly the bad guys.

    Are there observers only on the DPR side or what? Or are there some on Ukrainian side as well?

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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  AirCargo on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:52 am

    Sukhodilsk: Huge Amount of the Russian Ammunition Under Open Sky

    https://en.informnapalm.org/sukhodilsk-huge-amount-of-russian-ammunition-supplies-under-open-sky/

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  auslander on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:59 am

    Neutrality wrote:Oh boy, those "Special" Monitoring Missions sure are objective. Rebels getting shelled the hell out of them prior to the intensification of the fight yesterday apparently isn't important to include in the OSCE report. But when they have enough and decide to act, they are suddenly the bad guys.

    Are there observers only on the DPR side or what? Or are there some on Ukrainian side as well?

    The observers are optically challenged. That is PC for can't see a d//n thing, actually WON'T see a d//n thing.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Erk on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:06 am

    AirCargo wrote:Sukhodilsk: Huge Amount of the Russian Ammunition Under Open Sky

    https://en.informnapalm.org/sukhodilsk-huge-amount-of-russian-ammunition-supplies-under-open-sky/

    I would say a huge amount of ex Ukrainian ammunition, going back to the USSR days a lot of it.



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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  whir on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:23 am

    AirCargo wrote:Sukhodilsk: Huge Amount of the Russian Ammunition Under Open Sky
    Let's see if I've understood correctly this glorious story: someone has uncovered the existence of ammunitions in an ammunitions storage facility that was known to storage ammunitions after someone posted photos of said facility and the ammunition it holds on Internet... amazing.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  higurashihougi on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:44 am

    Ukie troops claimed that 70% of Marinka was captured by Novo forces russia russia

    http://gordonua.com/news/war/Deydey-Na-dannyy-moment-na-70-Marinka-uzhe-ne-nasha-83574.html

    Дейдей: На данный момент на 70% Марьинка уже не наша

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:49 am

    auslander wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Oh boy, those "Special" Monitoring Missions sure are objective. Rebels getting shelled the hell out of them prior to the intensification of the fight yesterday apparently isn't important to include in the OSCE report. But when they have enough and decide to act, they are suddenly the bad guys.

    Are there observers only on the DPR side or what? Or are there some on Ukrainian side as well?

    The observers are optically challenged. That is PC for can't see a d//n thing, actually WON'T see a d//n thing.

    I can tell you from personal experience that OSCE observers will only report what OSCE owners tell them to report.

    I really don't see purpose in getting upset over "observers", you guys should know this by now...

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  auslander on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:23 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    auslander wrote:
    Neutrality wrote:Oh boy, those "Special" Monitoring Missions sure are objective. Rebels getting shelled the hell out of them prior to the intensification of the fight yesterday apparently isn't important to include in the OSCE report. But when they have enough and decide to act, they are suddenly the bad guys.

    Are there observers only on the DPR side or what? Or are there some on Ukrainian side as well?

    The observers are optically challenged. That is PC for can't see a d//n thing, actually WON'T see a d//n thing.

    I can tell you from personal experience that OSCE observers will only report what OSCE owners tell them to report.

    I really don't see purpose in getting upset over "observers", you guys should know this by now...  

    I'm not upset in the least, I well know what they are and who controls them. To me they are tragicomic relief, nothing more, suitable for western propaganda only. You should have seen the looks on their faces when they were refused entry in to Krim last year.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:26 am

    AirCargo wrote:Sukhodilsk: Huge Amount of the Russian Ammunition Under Open Sky

    https://en.informnapalm.org/sukhodilsk-huge-amount-of-russian-ammunition-supplies-under-open-sky/

    Why this guy seems like a Troll to me?

    So many things to report.. people being killed and the only thing you report is anti Russian
    propaganda?  

    And yeah Osce should be hanged in public ,the bastards does not comment at all ,when kiev bomb the hell of civilians cities.. but when rebels retaliate they complain.. They all should be Shot in the head for being complicit in sponsoring the criminal war that kiev is leading in Ukraine..

    And Aircargo if you have any family ,you should take a look at the many civilians dismembered ,and teared in pieces women and children in Ukraine by the Ukies CIAnazis he seems to support.. 60 civilians reported seriously wounded and about a dozen killed in the latest 24 hours..

    Territorial integrity does not justify , the intentionally killing of civilians women and children.. by Kiev Junta fighters. It actually disqualify the legitimacy of that government.. and justify the taking of weapons against that government.. for much less NATO began to bomb Lybia.. no?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:33 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Ukie troops claimed that 70% of Marinka was captured by Novo forces  russia  russia

    http://gordonua.com/news/war/Deydey-Na-dannyy-moment-na-70-Marinka-uzhe-ne-nasha-83574.html

    Дейдей: На данный момент на 70% Марьинка уже не наша


    There are conflicting Reports..
    Saw one that said Rebels ,withdraw from Marinka after capturing it.., probably to not violate the Minsk-2  agreements of advancing territory..

    and again really angry at The OSCE bastards.. earlier the Donetsk Ministry said ,Osce refused to visit the shelled zones.. by ukraine.. and now they claim Donetsk does not want to talk to them.. and that is the Rebels the ones moving heavy equipment..

    Yesterday a civilian house was bombed with 5 people killed and the OSCE bastard refused to
    point fingers on RT.. but now he points fingers at donetsk for violating the cease of fire.. for sure all of them have to be bribed with luxury properties for giving political cover to the nazis ..

    The former Ministry of Defense of Ukraine , the Criminal who was leading the war in 2014
    and killed most civilians in the conflict , just recently got a Luxury mansion in UK valued in
    $36 millions..US dollars.. as a gift.. by mysterious friends. He basically made more money
    in that year.. that all NATO leaders and Russia combined. This is how the west maintain the war
    going.. with bribes to corrupt officials from Ukraine government.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:41 am

    On Eve of EU Vote to Extend Sanctions War Returns to Ukraine
    Resumption of fighting on eve of EU vote on extending sanctions against Russia is a predictable action given the nature of the Ukrainian regime and the multiple crises it faces.
    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/war-returns-ukraine/ri7711

    Emergent statement of Executive Commander of Corps of the MoD DPR Eduard Basurin
    June 4, 2015, Donetsk

    On June 3 operational situation in the Donetsk People's Republic sharply deteriorated. Executive Commander of Corps of the MoD DPR Eduard Basurin spoke about it at his briefing yesterday.

    "On dawn today Ukrainian Army carried out massive shelling of settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic practically along the entire contact line. Such localities as Donetsk, Shirokino, Gorlovka and Spartak were subjected to the most fierce non-precision fire of Ukrainian artillery. Unfortunately, this resulted in great number of civilian casualties. According to the latest reports only in Donetsk there were about 90 victims of yesterday's shelling. The figure is not final. Search and rescue works in the destroyed buildings are still underway. We blame Kiev for the drastic deterioration of the situation. In the course of the recent weeks we have been registering Kiev's efforts to bring up heavy artillery and armoured vehicles to the contact line. We named certain localities and and the number of dislocated there in violation of the Minsk Agreement Ukrainian equipment and armaments. We warned about Kiev's efforts aimed at formation of large number of covert groups and preparation of a big-scale provocation in order to accuse the DPR in wrecking of the Minsk Agreement. Unfortunately, neither submitting of the information to the OSCE observers, no open appeals to Kiev's tutors in the West did not make any effects. We expected the big-scale provocation o the part of Ukrainian forces in the night from Friday to Saturday on the eve of the forthcoming summit in Germany of the biggest Western countries' leaders. Nevertheless Kiev, as we can see now, did not wait for the orders from its Western tutors and organized massive attacks along the entire contact line in view of tomorrow's Poroshenko's annual speech in the parliament.

    I'd like to stress that the Armed Forces of the DPR in the course of the last 24 hours, owing to their selflessness and even at times self-sacrificing attitude, managed to stop the advance of the enemy deep into the Republic. The plan of a "small victory" in Donbass for the decoration of Poroshenko's speech in the Rada went awry.

    This victory was to occur in the area of Maryinka. In the first half of the day out reconnaissance registered an unusual liveliness at the enemy's positions there. Then Ukrainian military at first opened fire from their position in the nearby Krasnogorovka, and then - at the Ukrainian Army positions in Maryinka. Allegedly, in response to this shelling Ukrainian artillery dislocated in the part of Maryinka under Kiev control opened massive artillery fire on our position in the outskirts of Donetsk. Soon the artillery of UAF dislocated in Krasnogorovka joined in. As a result the positions of our Armed Forces in the outskirt of Donetsk came under artillery cross-fire.

    The fact that the provocation was pre-planned by Kiev does not raise any doubts. Ukrainian shells had hardly dropped on our positions in the outskirts, when Ukrainian media filled with the headlines declaring the alleged wrecking by the DPR Army of the Minsk Agreement and start of our offensive at their positions. Under the canopy of this massive shelling Ukrainian forces moved from Novoselovka to Maryinka and Krasnogorovka altogether two tank units and about 300 of personnel. They are still stationed there. Thus, the covert goal of Kiev's provocation was the abrupt increase of the banned in accordance with the Minsk Agreement Ukrainian heavy artillery and equipment in the outskirt of Donetsk in order to carry out the next provocation on Saturday or to storm Donetsk.

    We call upon the Ukrainian side to stop provocations and strictly adhere to the reached in Minsk on February 12 peace agreements. The units of the DPR Army do not plan any offensive activities that are prone to wreck the ceasefire regime and fierce and full-scale war", – Basurin said.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:44 am

    whir wrote:
    AirCargo wrote:Sukhodilsk: Huge Amount of the Russian Ammunition Under Open Sky
    Let's see if I've understood correctly this glorious story: someone has uncovered the existence of ammunitions in an ammunitions storage facility that was known to storage ammunitions after someone posted photos of said facility and the ammunition it holds on Internet... amazing.

    Nope they've added Russian, Insta-Evul.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  arpakola on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:45 am



    We learned the name Ukrainian pilot, shot down the Malaysian Boeing
    The officer of the NKVD
    colonelcassad
    June 4 3:08

    Yesterday, in connection with the events in Marinka it was not up to it, but you can not fail to mention.
    I am here the other day poprekrali that just released version Concern "Almaz-Antei" about the fact that the Malaysian "Boeing" was hit by a surface-to-air missile, saying crying Your version of that "Boeing" Ukrainian attack aircraft was shot down. Well, I now simply redirects "poprekantsev" the statement of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation.

    We learned the name Ukrainian pilot, shot down Boeing Malaysian http://cassad.net/tv/videos/8640/ - the story of the "Kassad-TV"

    The Investigative Committee of Russia announced the name of Ukrainian pilot, presumably shot down Boeing Malaysia Airlines July 17, 2014 near Donetsk. Russian investigators have disclosed the name of the main witness, who helped restore the full picture of what happened. "The result was obtained statements from Ukrainian citizens, who voluntarily crossed the state border of the Russian Federation and expressed voluntary desire to cooperate with the Russian investigation. He said that he served in the Air Force of Ukraine, and he knows that July 17, 2014 in the afternoon on a combat mission flew Su-25 Ukrainian Air Force, piloted by Captain Voloshin . The aircraft returned to the airport with blank ammunition, with Voloshin said that the plane was not at the time and in the wrong place ", - said the official representative of the Investigative Committee Vladimir Markin.

    According to Vladimir Markin, a key witness in the case - a citizen of Ukraine Evgeny Agapov, who passed military service in the air armament mechanic 1st Squadron Tactical Air Force of Ukraine. Now he provided state protection. Markin added that currently "there is increasing evidence of the reliability of the witness." CK posted a video interrogation Eugene Agapov.

    On the eve of experts Concern PVO an analytical report on what happened with the Malaysian flight MN17. The specialists of "Almaz-Antei" proved that a passenger airliner hit by a rocket fired anti-aircraft missile system "Buk-M1". On the basis of the calculations was to identify areas run. This site is recognized as the area south of the settlement Zaroschenskoe. This area, which is controlled by the armed forces the disposal of which is "Buk-M1". The experts group also reported that the missiles that downed Boeing 777, not produced in Russia in 1999 Boeing 777 airline Malaysia Airlines took place July 17, 2014 near the village of Grabovo in eastern Donetsk region. On board were 263 passengers and 15 crew members. All of them Zinc PS. So I repeat my position. The version with a missile, "ground-to-air" feel herring. In my opinion the Malaysian "Boeing" was hit by a Ukrainian Su-25, and this declaration, in addition to the data of objective monitoring of the RF Ministry of Defense, the characteristic skin lesions liner, witnesses who saw the plane leaves the crash site, also falls into the general kopilochku.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:49 am

    Vann7 wrote:
    AirCargo wrote:Sukhodilsk: Huge Amount of the Russian Ammunition Under Open Sky

    https://en.informnapalm.org/sukhodilsk-huge-amount-of-russian-ammunition-supplies-under-open-sky/

    Why this guy seems like a Troll to me?

    So many things to report.. people being killed and the only thing you report is anti Russian
    propaganda?  

    And yeah Osce should be hanged in public ,the bastards does not comment at all ,when kiev bomb the hell of civilians cities.. but when rebels retaliate they complain.. They all should be Shot in the head for being complicit in sponsoring the criminal war that kiev is leading in Ukraine..

    And Aircargo if you have any family ,you should take a look at the many civilians dismembered ,and teared in pieces women and children in Ukraine by the Ukies CIAnazis he seems to support..  60 civilians reported seriously wounded and about a dozen killed in the latest 24 hours..

    Territorial integrity does not justify , the intentionally killing of civilians women and children.. by Kiev Junta fighters. It actually disqualify the legitimacy of that government.. and justify the taking of weapons against that government.. for much less NATO began to bomb Lybia.. no?  


    Meh let divock be, he's on a crusade...BTW AirCargo how's the weather in the Big NorthWet?

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