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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  auslander on Thu Jun 18, 2015 6:59 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:OK, clearly there is something there that is significant and they haven't found it yet, or they want to say they have just found it. These are not crash investigators this is a police/MoD 'pin the blame' team.

    MOSCOW, June 17 /TASS/. The OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine will help a group of Dutch experts to gain free access to the MH17 crash site in Donbas, the press service of the OSCE mission in the Donetsk region told the Donetsk news agency on Wednesday. The OSCE mission’s task is to monitor the situation in the region. Besides, our colleagues from Donetsk will provide free access to the MH17 crash site for the Dutch experts who will arrive in Donbas for the purpose of investigating the tragedy site, the OSCE said.

    On June 16, the Dutch prosecutor’s office said that it was sending a mission to eastern Ukraine as part of criminal investigation into the MH17 crash. The mission comprises defense ministry employees and law enforcers.

    The Dutch mission’s task will be to collect evidence, which can either confirm or disprove the existing crash versions. The Dutch experts are expected to work in eastern Ukraine for about two weeks.

    Interesting!

    That was a couple days ago. I don't know what they can find, most of the land has been plowed by now, the metal remains have been picked over and what could be sold was salvaged. Having an idea of what they have on the cockpit recorders they should have enough to finish their investigation. However, you will not see any public report in the near future. Remember, the orcs have the right to stop publication of the report, and they will.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Vann7 on Thu Jun 18, 2015 7:55 pm



    KUdrin the snake does it again..
    He visit the ST PetersBurg economic Meeting ,not to make a deal or announce a new investment
    in RUssia.. no no.. Instead he was there to sabotage the mood of the event.. to talk about
    politics and propose Putin to leave power early so that he can implement his reforms. Shocked

    How he can do that? He should be shot in the head .. he have to be paid with Big cash
    for what he does.. falling short of demanding puting to step down.. i will love to see that
    bastard in Jail






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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 18, 2015 8:54 pm

    ^^ Kudrin is a corrupt parasite. He got accustomed to certain lifestyle and now only way to finance such lifestyle is trough grants from abroad. And he must work to get those grants. Once he is no longer useful to his sponsors he will end up as Nemtzov: broke and in debt to loan sharks... we know how that ended...


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    Ukraine's Tornado battalion fighters threaten to use weapons against Kiev operatives

    The Ukrainian military revolted after they had learnt that Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov was planning to disband the Tornado battalion

    http://tass.ru/en/world/801999

    KIEV, June 18 /TASS/. Members of Ukraine’s Tornado battalion have locked themselves up at a base located in a school building in Severodonetsk, the Kiev-controlled part of the Luhansk region, and have threatened to use weapons against Ukraine’s Interior Ministry employees sent to pacify them, Ukraine’s Chief Military Prosecutor Anatoly Matios said on Thursday.

    The Ukrainian military revolted after they had learnt that Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov was planning to disband the Tornado battalion, Matios said in an interview with the Ukrainskaya Pravda daily.

    He added that Avakov had sent one of his deputies, the heads of the internal and public security departments as well as representatives of the National Guard to Severodonetsk to disarm the Tornado fighters.

    According to Matios, there are 170 people on the base’s territory.

    "Huge amounts of weapons and ammunition are stored at the base. The Tornado fighters have planted mines along the perimeter of the base and have installed firing points and automatic grenade launchers in certain places. They have practically blocked the approach to the base. They have threatened to shoot if any decisive actions against them are taken or if and investigator and operational teams make an attempt to approach the base," Ukraine’s chief military prosecutor stressed.

    " I believe that we are obliged to act in strict compliance with the law and immediately disarm this group that has disobeyed and is refusing to fulfill orders," Matios said adding the Interior Ministry employees would have to return fire in case of an armed resistance.

    He noted that a considerable part of the Tornado battalion was made of former convicts, many of whom have long criminal records.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  whir on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:10 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Discipline is foundation of any military
    2 of the 8 detainees have been freed and the battalion was disbanded before just to be renamed and relocated to Lugansk, where Moskal has accused them of impeding the movement of goods from occupied territories that supposedly are under blockade so it looks that this is another chapter in the smuggling wars of late and not an effort to seek justice for mother and daughter shot dead.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:20 pm





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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Neutrality on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:23 pm

    Fighters of battalion "Tornado" apparently fired upon a Ukrainian UAV. Interesting development. Are these guys really nothing but a criminal gang who have committed crimes against the locals or is this another Kiev spin?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:29 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Fighters of  battalion "Tornado" apparently fired upon a Ukrainian UAV. Interesting development. Are these guys really nothing but a criminal gang who have committed crimes against the locals or is this another Kiev spin?

    Tornado is bad, but not as bad as Right Sector and NG. NG is made up almost exclusively of Maidan bastards who shot and killed police officers.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:30 pm

    At least 2,180 Maidan fascist bastards killed in Donbas.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/at-least-2180-soldiers-killed-in-russias-war-against-ukraine-391453.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:32 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Fighters of  battalion "Tornado" apparently fired upon a Ukrainian UAV. Interesting development. Are these guys really nothing but a criminal gang who have committed crimes against the locals or is this another Kiev spin?

    And we barely entered second year of war.

    I can only imagine the fun times that await us when this thing drags into 4th or 5th year... Twisted Evil  lol1

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  whir on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:36 pm

    Neutrality wrote:Fighters of  battalion "Tornado" apparently fired upon a Ukrainian UAV. Interesting development. Are these guys really nothing but a criminal gang who have committed crimes against the locals or is this another Kiev spin?
    It's a battalion made up of convicts so they're indeed criminals, they were involved in harassing civilians, looting and rape before been renamed, the killing of those two women suspected of separatism is their last known crime till date.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  whir on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:49 pm

    zavtra.ru via Google Translate wrote:«Викинг»: «В «Минске-3» Киев подпишет акт о безоговорочной капитуляции…»
    "Viking": "In the" Minsk-3 "Kiev will sign an unconditional surrender ..."
    Gennady Oak June 18, 2015

    Trampled Minsk Agreement, the Kiev government has killed the last chance to preserve the unity of Ukraine. And now, no matter how much the war lasted - it is taking over army Novorossia Kiev. This convinced the commander of the first brigade of motorized infantry battalion Slavic Defense Ministry DNI - the call "Viking", one of the most prepared military commanders BCH.

    In the most unpredictable conditions, it is able to operate even more unpredictable. A native of Donetsk, is fighting with the Slavic. Before the war, was a Marine, then law enforcement officers. A man of absolute integrity, incredible courage and of remarkable mind. Expert Norse mythology, military history, literature and biology. Imperturbable in the most extreme situations, and when necessary - outrageous as berserk. Unlike the others, all on the front of the distinguished commanders, avoids publicity, interviews gives reluctantly made ​​an exception for "tomorrow."

    "Tomorrow." Heroes in the war much. But, according to the most men, you, along with Motorola and Givi, one of the three most respected and courageous commanders of the army of New Russia. Therefore, start with the question, and as the bravest man is always susceptible to whatever fears ... what are you afraid of?

    VIKING.
    Three "most-most", five, a dozen - to what these ratings, is it important? And about fear, I will not deny I'm afraid, very - old age. And the fear that I can not and do not consider it necessary to overcome. According to my feelings and unchanging belief the worst thing that can happen to a man - to die in old age "on the bed at the notary and the doctor." There is nothing worse than such a fate, and her, I really am afraid. All other fears are illusory, pobezhdaemy desire to do things that out of all who ever lived and who live only you can make. The right to act is bought at the cost of life, so is it worth it to cherish and what to be afraid of then? "A fool does not meet the hopes of death, since avoids battles ..." I would like to die, of course, in the battle, but not here and not now - I want to Kiev to attend the Victory Parade. And if you're lucky, and still admire the ruins of the Pentagon ... Continue reading.

    Русские Вперед wrote:Kiev once again launched an attack on Marinka


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:50 pm

    Russia says gas discount for brother nation Ukraine will not be more than 30% of original price.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/business/russian-energy-minister-says-gas-discount-for-ukraine-for-third-quarter-will-most-likely-be-less-than-30-percent-of-price-391429.html


    Maidan begins 6th wave of mobilization to fight insurgents.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-ukrainian-government-begins-sixth-wave-of-military-mobilization-391426.html

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 18, 2015 9:53 pm

    If I were Poroshenko I'd use IMF money to buy 100,000 Kornet missiles from brother nation Russia to shoot at insurgents. Can you imagine shooting Kornets at people? Shocked

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Neutrality on Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:01 pm

    About VICE's investigation into the involvement of the Russian army in Donbass. He doesn't ask simple questions like why these superduper secretive units are allowed to take smartphones with them which can be geotagged? Is he suggesting the Russian army has terrible counterintelligence procedures? Then he continues to suggest that apparently it's entirely Russia and Russia alone participating in the fighting. Anyone who's seriously interested and has read counterinsurgency literature will tell you that no insurgency will ever survive without local support. It's crystal clear to me (and to millions others) that the resistance has great support in both Donetsk and Lugansk.
    Why doesn't this "hero" journalist look into those matters?

    Isn't journalism about asking the same questions to both pro-Ukrainians and pro-Russians? One just only needs to take a look at the amount of videos VICE has made covering the "Russian soldiers in Ukraine" and compare to the amount of content about Ukraine and everything becomes clear. VICE is far from being objective for reasons I mentioned earlier: not asking the same questions to both parties in this conflict. Why is a government which came to power through violence allowed to invite foreign troops on its soil and a self-proclaimed government which doesn't recognize or respect the former not allowed to do so? Oh right I forgot, they are the "terrorists" in this conflict. VICE has taught me that overthrowing local municipalities in Western Ukraine (which led to the uprising in Kiev) is democratic and doing the same thing in Eastern Ukraine is terrorism.

    Thank you VICE, you are the world's best teachers.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Flagship Victory on Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:19 pm

    Neutrality wrote:About VICE's investigation into the involvement of the Russian army in Donbass. He doesn't ask simple questions like why these superduper secretive units are allowed to take smartphones with them which can be geotagged? Is he suggesting the Russian army has terrible counterintelligence procedures? Then he continues to suggest that apparently it's entirely Russia and Russia alone participating in the fighting. Anyone who's seriously interested and has read counterinsurgency literature will tell you that no insurgency will ever survive without local support. It's crystal clear to me (and to millions others) that the resistance has great support in both Donetsk and Lugansk.
    Why doesn't this "hero" journalist look into those matters?

    Isn't journalism about asking the same questions to both pro-Ukrainians and pro-Russians? One just only needs to take a look at the amount of videos VICE has made covering the "Russian soldiers in Ukraine" and compare to the amount of content about Ukraine and everything becomes clear. VICE is far from being objective for reasons I mentioned earlier: not asking the same questions to both parties in this conflict. Why is a government which came to power through violence allowed to invite foreign troops on its soil and a self-proclaimed government which doesn't recognize or respect the former not allowed to do so? Oh right I forgot, they are the "terrorists" in this conflict. VICE has taught me that overthrowing local municipalities in Western Ukraine (which led to the uprising in Kiev) is democratic and doing the same thing in Eastern Ukraine is terrorism.
    Thank you VICE, you are the world's best teachers.

    VICE is nothing but a mouthpiece of the IMF regime.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #15

    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:31 pm

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    Maidan begins 6th wave of mobilization to fight insurgents.

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/international-business-times-ukrainian-government-begins-sixth-wave-of-military-mobilization-391426.html

    There isn't going to be anyone left to mobilize, unless they're counting on brainwashed kids who are barely old enough.

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