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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Kimppis on Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:03 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Kimppis wrote:
    max steel wrote: Wrong Kimmpis . None of the Baltic nation has gdp per capita close to 30,000 $ . Lithuania is at 25,000 $ and rest are below 20,000 $ .Nations having less population do usually have high gpd per capita . Look at qatar , norway and luxembourg . it ain't rocket science . But look at Hong kong , China with such a huge population they have high gdp per capita . That's true development . Look at Baltics except lithuania all lag behind Russia in gdp per capita , LT also lead merely by a 1000 $ not a big leap .

    Leave russia aside , compare it with western Europe Baltic's lag much further .  

    Savaged by western loans the Baltic's lose their young nearly as fast as they are created. Austerity and wage cuts for a decade in order to feed payment schedules to western banks leave the Baltic's as sick nations, who will not recover economically as their natural markets lie to the East and South. Russia and Ukraine provide a 200 million person consumer market that is ripe for Baltic trade. But being slaves of Washington, the Baltic's sit and rot as minor weak economies sitting on the edge of the rich west, forbidden by Washington to trade with the east  [/b]


    Talking about HDI . The HDI is not a good indicator of national social policies' success or failure. It suffers from many problems including; having fewer indicators to monitor for the sake of simplicity; poorly chosen indicators; methodological problems; calculation flaws and trade-off issues between variables. However, this does not change the fact that the index is, at the moment, is one of the most trustworthy and cited indexes in the field of development and it is welcomed by many governments and institutions around the world. Having said that, there are still more
    ways for us to develop more accurate and targeted, well grounded indexes to monitor the progress of countries in human
    development.


    As I mentioned, I was talking about purchasing power parity. Estonia is at 27K, Latvia 25K and Lithuania 28K. (And btw, Russia is at 24K, which is basically the same.)

    Country's size has nothing to with the per capita income. Many smaller countries are poor, look at East Timor, for instance. I don't understand why are mentioning Hong Kong. It was separated from mainland China for over a century and it still has a special status. Hong Kong's per capita GDP is considerably higher than China's average. China is a middle income country as a whole, while many cities and coastal areas, Hong Kong amongst them, are highly developed and yes, that is a major development, you are right about that.

    And btw, I didn't say that Baltic countries are "powerful" in any way or that they are important economies. Yes, I know that per capita GDP has nothing to with national power.

    Comparing them with "western Europe" (whatever that is) isn't exactly fair, either. And it actually seems like they are roughly as developed as countries such as Spain and Portugal. And finally, I didn't say that HDI is perfect, but it tells you something. My point was that statistics show that Baltic countries are not any kind of economic disasters, actually far from it.

    The problem is that they've done everything to ruin relations with Russia. Now numerous economical sectors of theirs are under threat.

    Some 2.4% of Lithuania's GDP was based around agricultural exports to Russia. Similar figures for Latvia and Estonia.
    Now that market is gone due to Russia's counter-sanctions and they've been forced to slash prices this year way below profitability due to all the surplus.

    Russians compose the 1st or 2nd largest tourist group in the Baltic States.
    Due to the devaluation of the rouble first and foremost - Russians have been turning away from foreign tourism, more towards domestic tourism for the past year.
    I anticipate a significant decline in Baltic-bound tourism - although I may be wrong as the Baltics might grab a niche as a cheaper version of Finland - which has really become too expensive due to the devaluation for many Russians.

    Baltic port traffic - down by an average of 30% over the past year across all the major ports there - Klaipeda, Riga, Tallin..
    This is due firstly to the devaluation, and secondly and more importantly to the Ust-Luga port near St. Petersburg which has recently come online, and has been growing by leaps and bounds in terms of traffic for the past 3 years. AFAIK there are still terminals under construction; when they become operational the tempo will be further added to.

    Goods transit via road - this is big business for Lithuania in particular; and it was Lithuania in particular who suffered Russia's retaliation after its president called Russia a terrorist state. Lines of trucks held up at the border. Don't know how it is now - whether its got better or worse - but the poltiical wrangling is for sure not good for business, when it comes to Lithuania's truckers.

    Gotta say - I don't anticipate good economic results this year in the Baltic states. AFAIK preliminary figures showed that their growth dropped the most out of anyone's compared to 2014.

    Good post. Btw, I just read that Russian tourists are returning to Finland as ruble has stabilized and numbers are expected to be the same as last year. http://yle.fi/uutiset/rupla_vahvistuu__venalaiset_tulevat_taas_ostoksille_suomeen/7885152

    Also, can someone explain me why Russia's economic growth decreased to little over 1% few years back? Baltic countries and Poland kept on growing and oil prices were high.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  max steel on Thu Mar 26, 2015 9:16 pm


    Also, can someone explain me why Russia's economic growth decreased to little over 1% few years back? Baltic countries and Poland kept on growing and oil prices were high.


    Cite some source . Though my country is not neighboring to Russia like yours . Wink

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Vann7 on Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:33 am

    Clashes for hours at Donetsk Airport with light weapons and grenade launchers and rockets grenades.. so called cease of Fire.. The attacks in the airport by pro kiev forces.. shows
    a level of coordination and organization.. and planning.. since they are being attacked by sniper fire and grenades from 3 sides.



    I can assure you almost with 100% confidence that the mercenaries firing at the airport are either Americans professional soldiers/or from NATO .. trying to provoke the war to start again.. and or paid mercenaries from the voluntary group by the west to attack the separatist positions.  Reports also the that an Ukrainian tank are used to attack any civilian vehicle or truck who get at range of their positions.. 2 separatist killed in a truck.. by an Ukie tank.

    All said . i think the Separatist have to be very angry for the cease of fire. .and Russia will not be able to hold them for long , if Europe cannot pressure the pro kiev mercenaries attacking the Separatist forces.   This war will end in no time ,had Europe had the courage to demand Americans to end fueling the war in Ukraine or they threaten to leave NATO and lift all sanctions on Russia and start major business with them..  That will truly panic them..and twist their arm.. if they notice a major rebellion against their actions in Ukraine.


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:15 am

    If there was ever question if the political elite in Lithuania were lunatics, look no further that they're now publicly discussing the idea of 'penal battalions', yes you heard right...military units made up of prisoners and hardened criminals...ooohhhhhh nothing wrong could come from this... Rolling Eyes

    In Lithuania, attended the creation of army battalions of prisoners

    ...I laughed at the bit of "There's a lot of true patriots of Lithuania. Many would agree to serve his country, than to sit behind bars." And I'm sure many 'True Lithuanian Patriots' are hardened armed robbers, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles...

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    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:46 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:If there was ever question if the political elite in Lithuania were lunatics, look no further that they're now publicly discussing the idea of 'penal battalions', yes you heard right...military units made up of prisoners and hardened criminals...ooohhhhhh nothing wrong could come from this... Rolling Eyes

    In Lithuania, attended the creation of army battalions of prisoners

    ...I laughed at the bit of "There's a lot of true patriots of Lithuania. Many would agree to serve his country, than to sit behind bars." And I'm sure many 'True Lithuanian Patriots' are hardened armed robbers, murderers, rapists, and pedophiles...

    Failed states indeed this lunatics are.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:54 pm

    Kimppis wrote:Also, can someone explain me why Russia's economic growth decreased to little over 1% few years back? Baltic countries and Poland kept on growing and oil prices were high.

    Russia economy shrunk a bit because its commercial partner, EU and US are in decline.

    EU and US decline means a reduce in domestic consumption, and Russian business there is also affected.

    Unlike other members of BRICS like China or India, a large portion of Russian goods are luxuries/expensive technologies for customers in the West. Therefore, as the West suffers economical decline, Russian sales there decline, too.

    It takes a short period for Russia to switch the balance to suit the new situation. During that time, we expect a slow growth of Russia. Fortunately that period is not long.

    And of course, "sanction" has no effect on Russian economy... execpt its boost the ability of self-sustainability.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  higurashihougi on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:00 pm

    Ah shit...

    http://www.unian.info/politics/1060472-poroshenko-offers-right-sector-leader-defense-ministry-job-adviser.html

    Poroshenko offers Right Sector leader Defense Ministry job – adviser

    Leader of the Right Sector, MP Dmytro Yarosh has been offered a job at Ukraine's Defense Ministry.

    Anton Heraschenko, an adviser to Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, announced this on Channel 5 on Thursday evening, Ukrainian news portal Ukrainska Pravda reported.

    "I can confirm that the president has offered Dmytro Yarosh a job at the Defense Ministry. I would approve of Dmytro Yarosh's becoming a civil servant," Heraschenko said.

    "And I'll tell you more: he seems to get really bored at the Verkhovna Rada. What is more, he's got a serious wound in a battle. It would be a pleasure for me to create, jointly with Dmytro Yarosh, a self-defense volunteers' union after an Estonian, Finnish or Swiss model," Heraschenko said.

    F*CK angry angry

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  max steel on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:17 pm

    Nope you're way too optimistic . Sanctions do have effect on Russian economy .


    read this you'll understand better : http://www.russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/23/4808

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:39 pm

    max steel wrote: Nope you're way too optimistic . Sanctions do have effect on Russian economy .


    read this you'll understand better : http://www.russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/23/4808

    Are we seriously talking about this again?  It was even mentioned on western news sites (since some people only believe those) that Russia has the best working stock exchange and domestic companies have been doing quite well thanks to the sanctions.

    I read that a metalurgy plant in the Urals that has been closed down 5 years ago has started up again due to high demand in the domestic market.  Same thing with textile industries and babushka sewing houses. Probably the best performing industry has been the agricultural as it has been mentioned it is up by 800% due to really high local demand and constant new productions starting up.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=120

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:44 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:Ah shit...

    http://www.unian.info/politics/1060472-poroshenko-offers-right-sector-leader-defense-ministry-job-adviser.html

    Poroshenko offers Right Sector leader Defense Ministry job – adviser

    Leader of the Right Sector, MP Dmytro Yarosh has been offered a job at Ukraine's Defense Ministry.

    Anton Heraschenko, an adviser to Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, announced this on Channel 5 on Thursday evening, Ukrainian news portal Ukrainska Pravda reported.

    "I can confirm that the president has offered Dmytro Yarosh a job at the Defense Ministry. I would approve of Dmytro Yarosh's becoming a civil servant," Heraschenko said.

    "And I'll tell you more: he seems to get really bored at the Verkhovna Rada. What is more, he's got a serious wound in a battle. It would be a pleasure for me to create, jointly with Dmytro Yarosh, a self-defense volunteers' union after an Estonian, Finnish or Swiss model," Heraschenko said.

    F*CK angry angry

    I dunno why you would be angry about this as it will even more make the Junta less legitimate.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  max steel on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:46 pm

    Domestic production is up which is a needed reform for Russia but there are still areas where russia economy lags . Thinking that Sanctions have zero effect on Russian economy is preposterous . They do have effect .

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  sepheronx on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:50 pm

    max steel wrote:Domestic production is up which is a needed reform for Russia but there are still areas where russia economy lags . Thinking that Sanctions have zero effect on Russian economy is preposterous . They do have effect .

    Such as?  Russia imported technology and imported nearly everything else.  Only things it really sold was oil and gas to the west.  Sanctions forced many companies to push local production.  Sanctions effected inflation and devaluation of the currency, which helps domestic production greatly for new startups as they are much cheaper.  Hence why textile has grown in Russia due to being cheaper in Russia than it is in China.  Of course they may be behind in some areas, but that just pushes the development for it. Sales of commercial goods has actually gone up for Russia. Sales of Avtovaz Lada's outside of Russia has greatly increased (first time in decades) and same with agricultural equipment production. Both have opened a plant in Egypt as an example. Demand for Russian medical equipment has greatly increased in both Asia and in Africa as well. Russia now increased production of pharmaceuticals to being reliant on themselves by 70%.

    Sanctions really didn't do much to anything. It is the lack of trade now more than anything with the west. Now it has moved its sales elsewhere and knows that its goods are demand in poorer countries.

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/60366/

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/60255/

    Sales of nanoproducts portfolio companies RUSNANO has doubled and reached 227 billion rubles

    ABS plastic: Russian production by 50% and imports 27%

    CBR: Foreign trade surplus in January rose by 16.4% - to $ 15.047 billion

    Assets of Russian banks for the year increased by 20.24 trillion rubles and reached 77.66 trillion rubles

    These are all examples of how the sanctions been a joke.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Werewolf on Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:57 pm

    Sanctions have a possitive effect on russian economy.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:28 pm

    Banderasites are now in deep sh*t:

    Ukraine’s Pension Fund is bankrupt — social policy minister

    Ukraines's $3bn debt to Russia puts multibillion dollar IMF package at risk


    ...With a failed war in Eastern Ukraine, Kolo rebelling, the IMF loan stalling, combined with the pensions fund imploding...Ukraine has all the hallmarks of a Yugoslavian disintegration.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:43 pm

    Well ain't that about a b*tch, Poland's ambassador to Ukraine was robbed blind in Lviv/Lvov:

    Polish ambassador robbed in Western Ukraine

    ...LMAO I wonder how the Polish troglodytes will white-wash this? Or are they too busy prostituting themselves out lol?

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  max steel on Fri Mar 27, 2015 9:08 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Well ain't that about a b*tch, Poland's ambassador to Ukraine was robbed blind in Lviv/Lvov:

    Polish ambassador robbed in Western Ukraine

    ...LMAO I wonder how the Polish troglodytes will white-wash this? Or are they too busy prostituting themselves out lol?


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:43 am

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:18 am

    I am afraid the Bandera tumour (the black-red lump) has spread through Ukraine-ball's brain and the above picture is
    Ukraine in palliative care.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:00 am

    Good sense of humor:


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  Vann7 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:28 am



    LMAO.. POlish ambassador to Ukraine robbed by the Galician Heroes.. they so much
    praise.. lol1


    http://fortruss.blogspot.ca/2015/03/polish-ambassador-robbed-in-western.html


    I imagine it had to be terrible to live in Ukraine this time with so much poverty..
    and so many guns on people hands.. the main way to get money for Ukrainians will be
    taking it by force at gun point.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:11 am

    9 similar characterisitics of Porkie and Yeltsin

    1. Achieved power by violence
    2. Made grandiose promise to the people
    3. ...but acted like a drunken thug
    4. Sent poorly equipped/trained soldiers to the battlefield as cannon fodders
    5. Tremendous inflation
    6. Tried best to please US masters
    7. Have bandit style
    8. Are despised by the oligarchs in the country
    9. Putin may replace both of them Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil


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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  TR1 on Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:17 am

    Let's be accurate.

    RusDefense.net's hero Putin was CHOSEN by Yeltsin and Co. to replace them so they would not be prosecuted.

    And tada. They were not. The assets stolen by Yeltsin, his wife, family and friends were never as much as looked at by Putin and his boys.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  higurashihougi on Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:58 am

    TR1 wrote:Let's be accurate.

    RusDefense.net's hero Putin was CHOSEN by Yeltsin and Co. to replace them so they would not be prosecuted.

    And tada. They were not. The assets stolen by Yeltsin, his wife, family and friends were never as much as looked at by Putin and his boys.

    There is a saying: "I know that you eat a lot, but at least please work properly."

    If you know what I mean.

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    Re: The Situation in the Ukraine. #12

    Post  kvs on Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:02 pm

    TR1 wrote:Let's be accurate.

    RusDefense.net's hero Putin was CHOSEN by Yeltsin and Co. to replace them so they would not be prosecuted.

    And tada. They were not. The assets stolen by Yeltsin, his wife, family and friends were never as much as looked at by Putin and his boys.

    Haha. Putin played Berezovsky, Yeltsin and the rest of Washington's cronies. That is what counts.
    In your logic, they chose to be removed from power. Yeah, right.

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    Post  Werewolf on Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:21 pm

    kvs wrote:
    TR1 wrote:Let's be accurate.

    RusDefense.net's hero Putin was CHOSEN by Yeltsin and Co. to replace them so they would not be prosecuted.

    And tada. They were not. The assets stolen by Yeltsin, his wife, family and friends were never as much as looked at by Putin and his boys.

    Haha.  Putin played Berezovsky, Yeltsin and the rest of Washington's cronies.   That is what counts.  
    In your logic, they chose to be removed from power.   Yeah, right.

    He is as educated in russian politics as americans are educacted in geography.

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