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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  TheArmenian on Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:22 pm

    @ 1:27 in the video. The 2 vehicles have different front ends.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:33 am

    Good spotting.

    My guess is that the vehicle with the more pointed nose is better protected... the engine seems to be fitted behind the cab with a door and short tunnel on one side to allow access from the crew cabin to the rear.

    This means the different nose shape can only either be to improve protection, improve aerodynamics, or improve performance in water/fording or swimming.

    Anyone who speaks Russian understand what the guy is saying... perhaps he mentions the differences and the reasons for the differences.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  medo on Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:33 am

    Excellent vehicle this new Kamaz Triumph. It is now more an APC (BTR), than armored truck. I hope similar model of Ural will be on the same level.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Austin on Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:20 pm

    Looking at Typhon Truck underbelly it does not have a V shape blast deflector to protect against mine ? any reason what it was not made so when it is standard these days ?

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:26 pm

    I would expect that the underneath of the vehicle has been designed to deflect blast waves out sideways away from the vehicle.

    The V shape doesn't need to be obvious like on a South African Buffel... you just need to not have a flat underneath.

    Also most mine explosions occur under the wheels and so the wheel wells generally deflect the blast away from the vehicle anyway.

    People go on about the BTR not having a proper belly design and it not... on paper... being very good at surviving mines, but experience in Afghanistan showed repeatedly that the BTR could roll over a mine and lose a wheel or two and still drive around unscathed. A tracked vehicle on the other hand often lost a track and became immobilised.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Austin on Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:42 am

    If not the V shape , they must have figured out a way to deflect blast from the underside of vehical.

    I wanted to know what will be the use of Taifun vehical, will it replace the normal truck that carry troops to frontline or is this some specialised vechical for some specialised task

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:00 am

    The Russian Army doesn't really use trucks a lot for that... they had plenty of BTRs for that role (on roads... BMPs for cross country or where the extra protection or firepower was required.)

    Teh V shape doesn't need to be clearly obvious to have an effect... it just needs a bottom surface that is not flat... think in terms of swimming where using a flat or even a cupped hand it is easier to push the water to move yourself in one direction or another.

    In the case of a vehicle a flat bottom means the upward rapidly moving gas is applied evenly to the bottom of the vehicle which means it is lifted and then dropped more efficiently, which is very damaging to the troops inside.

    With an under surface that redirects the blast sideways away from the vehicle to the open air rather than back down into the ground to lift the vehicle the effect on the vehicle is reduced.

    Remember when you are actually talking about wheeled vehicles and landmines the vehicle generally sets the mine off by driving over it with a wheel so rather than exploding under the belly (where a V shaped hull would do the most good) the mines will normally explode under the wheel and the blast will naturally be redirected away from the vehicle by the wheel arch... so most vehicles are naturally protected from mines, but not from remote detonated IEDs.

    The thing is that whatever vehicle you use... the bad guys are generally not idiots so if you start using mine protected vehicles they will simply make bigger IEDs and quite frankly if they are prepared to put in the effort of making it really big there is not much you can actually do to save your soldiers except give them a truck each and keep them separated.

    During the Vietnam war a standard VC trick was to wire up dud USAF bombs as boobytraps. Even just a 500lb bomb would result in an entire platoon disappearing in the explosion, but it was a case of a guerilla force using what it could get its hands on, and the USAF was delivering bombs in enormous numbers.

    I suspect its use will be centred around perhaps special forces and police and paramilitary use rather than Army.

    Remember the Taifun is the Kamaz product, the Typhoon is being developed by the makers of the BMP as the standard chassis for the light brigades and will be a 4 and 6 wheeled armoured vehicle for troop transport and air defence and artillery and "tank"/gun platform.

    The Taifun is an armoured truck... and look carefully at this picture... especially the shape of the floor at the base of the seats... I rather suspect the hull is largely V shaped:


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  TheArmenian on Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:49 pm

    GarryB wrote:I suspect its use will be centred around perhaps special forces and police and paramilitary use rather than Army.

    Agreed. I doubt Kamaz's Taifun or the equivalent competitor from "Ural" are for the Army. The center of gravity of these vehicles is just to high to enable it to replace vehicles like the BTR-80.

    Special forces, Interior ministry, OMON and other paramilitaries, Yes. The Army, Naval infantry or VDV, No.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Russian Patriot on Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:09 am

    Russian Military to Buy 60 Italian Tactical Vehicles

    RIA Novosti

    16:36 24/01/2012 MOSCOW, January 24 (RIA Novosti) - Russia signed a deal with Italy in December on the semi-knocked down assembly of 60 Lynx light multirole armored vehicles (LMV) from Iveco, Deputy Defense Minister Alexander Sukhorukov said on Tuesday.

    “The deal was signed in December. Italy will supply kits that will be assembled at a joint enterprise in [central] Russian city of Voronezh,” Sukhorukov said.

    Four vehicles were earlier acquired and brought to Russia for comparative tests with Russian analogues, he said.

    “They displayed better characteristics than the vehicles we are currently using,” Sukhorukov said.

    The LMV M65 is a light multirole armored vehicle developed in 2001 by Iveco Defense Vehicles. It is designed primarily for strategic and tactical mobility with a high level of protection against anti-tank and anti-personnel mines.

    Russian military currently exploits Tigr (Gaz-2330) light armored vehicles manufactured at Russia's Gorkovsky automobile plant (GAZ) and Arzamas machinery plant (AMZ).

    http://www.en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120124/170926228.html

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  medo on Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:34 pm

    What will be the fate of Volk vehicles?

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:59 pm

    A purchase of only 60 vehicles assembled from kits supplied by Italy suggests they haven't sorted out proper licence production.

    This bodes well for the Volk, as it means delays, which can be exploited by the Russian vehicle makers to work out what feature makes the foreign vehicles desirable to the Russian military and to try to shoehorn that feature into their vehicles ASAP.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  lorenzopopov on Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:49 pm

    Great news. If there are problems with the Tigr or Volk, they can always be improved.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  flamming_python on Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:39 pm

    Problem with the Volk as I heard - is just that it's not ready or it's manufacturers don't have the capacity for mass-production in the quantities needed by the Russian military, right now. The Iveco and whathaveyou can on the other hand be procured immediately

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:16 am

    That would make sense... it is one thing to make a few prototypes for testing, but full production requires proper investment.

    The Iveco is unlikely to be mass produced for Russia for the reasons outlined in the first post of this thread... basically there are a lot of components that Iveco don't have the production rights to sell to Kamaz, so it is never going to be able to offer full licence production... it can only offer kits for Russian Assembly.

    Which is good in my biased opinion... good for Volk and Tigr-M.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  George1 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:47 pm

    Vladimir Putin Inspects The Kamaz Triumf

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/vladimir-putin-inspects-the-kamaz-triumf/

    Is this a MPAR vechile?


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  lorenzopopov on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:59 am

    George1 wrote:Vladimir Putin Inspects The Kamaz Triumf

    http://russianmilitaryphotos.wordpress.com/2012/02/19/vladimir-putin-inspects-the-kamaz-triumf/

    Is this a MPAR vechile?


    Yes, it is. Several new MPAR's are being tested, including the Ural Typhoon.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:46 pm

    Russia to Get First 57 Italian Armored Vehicles in 2012

    I think this article gives us the clues...

    The Russian Armed Forces will take delivery of the first 57 Italian Lince (Lynx) light multirole armored vehicles (LMV) before the end of the current year, Defense Ministry press secretary Irina Kovalchuk said on Wednesday.

    “These machines will go primarily to the Southern Military District,” she said.

    The district incorporates Russia’s troubled North Caucasus republics.

    Russia signed a deal with Italy’s Iveco company in December on the semi-knocked down assembly of Lynx vehicles in the central Russia city of Voronezh.



    Localization of production at the Voronezh plant is currently 10 percent, Kovalchuk said, adding that by 2014 it is to reach 50 percent.



    Lynx is a light multirole armored vehicle developed in 2001 by Iveco Defense Vehicles. It ensures high mobility and protection against anti-tank and anti-personnel mines.

    They will be located in the Southern District... I suspect this order is largely for Paramilitary units (MVD and FSB) for Sochi in 2014. I rather suspect that the price was right as Italy would like to sell products and perhaps the Tigr-M is not fully tested and ready for large scale production.

    Based on experience with Tigr-M and now Lynx the Russian armour companies will have more insight and experience with the Typhoon family of light vehicles... we really don't know whether they cover the full range of very light to light (ie 3-4 tons to 12-13 tons), though we do know there are 4 and 6 wheeled versions....

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  medo on Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:25 pm

    http://vpk.name/news/66161_mvd_spasaet_tigrov_olega_deripaski.html

    Russian MVD will keep buying Tigers and they will also develop NBC recce version, which MVD will get in 2015.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Russian Patriot on Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:46 pm

    The Russian Armed Forces will take delivery of the first 57 Italian Lince (Lynx) light multirole armored vehicles (LMV) before the end of the current year, Defense Ministry press secretary Irina Kovalchuk said on Wednesday.

    “These machines will go primarily to the Southern Military District,” she said.

    The district incorporates Russia’s troubled North Caucasus republics.

    Russia signed a deal with Italy’s Iveco company in December on the semi-knocked down assembly of Lynx vehicles in the central Russia city of Voronezh.



    Localization of production at the Voronezh plant is currently 10 percent, Kovalchuk said, adding that by 2014 it is to reach 50 percent.



    Lynx is a light multirole armored vehicle developed in 2001 by Iveco Defense Vehicles. It ensures high mobility and protection against anti-tank and anti-personnel mines.

    http://www.en.ria.ru/world/20120314/172163010.html





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    "Karatelia" armored vechile

    Post  TheArmenian on Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:48 pm

    For a short while they were mistaken as the first "Boomerang" prototype. Turns out it is the "Karatelia" that is being developed by ZIL.





    Info from these sources:

    http://twower.livejournal.com/761600.html

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/189137.html

    I'll let the people with better Russian language skills than mine to provide further details from the above sites.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:08 am

    There is no way that could be boomerang... that looks like some sort of high speed scout car.

    Medium brigade boomerang will likely look something like BTR-90 with a rear ramp and possibly side doors as well for rapid entry and exit and it will be in the 25 ton class.

    The Boomerang 10 will not necessarily be physically smaller, but will be less than half the weight so it will still be a relatively big vehicle.

    This looks to be more of a fully enclosed armoured version of the beach buggy type vehicles the west likes using for its special forces. A rapid response armoured light vehicle with amphibious capability.

    Looks very cool.

    Can be fitted with a turret to carry a Kord 12.7mm HMG or 30mm AGS-30 or PKM.

    It can only withstand a 0.5kg HE under a wheel so they are clearly not armoured run flat tires, but it does have a central tire pressure regulation system.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:08 am

    I think the big question here is how much that thing will cost. Looks very expensive.

    Still awesome though. Cool

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:27 am

    It is not an Army vehicle.

    AFAIK the letters on the front of it translate to Ts C N, which pretty much makes it special branch of the FSB, Vympel and Alpha and that sort of thing...

    From Wiki:

    In 1995, the FSB Special Operations Center (TsSN FSB) was granted control over Vympel. The group regained its original name and was reintegrated into the Intelligence Service structures. The emphasis shifted from covert and clandestine sabotage operations to counter-terrorism and nuclear safety enforcement. Vympel operatives undergo special training related to improvised or special explosive devices, permitting them to use "terrorist-like" tactics to carry out their operations. Physical training includes close hand combat, parachute training, diving, underwater combat techniques, climbing, and alpine rope techniques. Regional groups of Vympel were deployed in cities with especially important nuclear facilities.

    Vympel (i.e. the Directorate "V" of the TsSN FSB) is still a classified and secretive unit. It took part in Russia's Chechen campaigns and in storming of the Supreme Soviet building during the 1993 Russian constitutional crisis. Little is known about its current operations and activities, the exception being the capture of the Chechen militant leader Salman Raduyev in March 2000 and the assault on the school in Beslan in September 2004.

    So we are talking James Bond type car, though the Russian equivalent would work in teams... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Mr.Kalishnikov47 on Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:34 am

    Alpha and Vympel driving around in one of those? I like the thought of that. attack How much protection do you think it offers? Small arms resistance? .50 cal?

    Who knows, maybe the final version will have some of that nano tech ballistic armor those Russian scientists have been working on.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:37 am

    I would expect SVD proof, and 50 cal resistant...

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