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    Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Austin on Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:36 pm

    Russia to manufacture Iveco armored vehicles under Iveco license

    Russia will start manufacturing armored vehicles under a license from the Italian company Iveco in 2011, a first deputy Russian defense minister said at Euronaval 2010 on Tuesday.

    The Euronaval 2010 exhibition, the 22nd International Naval Defense & Maritime Exhibition and Conference, is being held at the Paris-Le-Bourget Exhibition Center October 25-29.

    "Production of the first vehicles is to begin next year. The first vehicle will be manufactured at the end of [2011]," Vladimir Popovkin said, adding that a joint venture that will roll out the vehicles has already been established in Russia.

    Popovkin said this will in essence be a Semi-Knock Down assembly. "The use of Russian components is to exceed 50% with time," he said.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Viktor on Tue Oct 26, 2010 8:54 pm

    Wtf ... what about Tiger?

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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:12 am

    Makes me think I should believe stories when they first come out, no matter what government sellouts say.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:47 am

    Well what it will definitely do is it will introduce competitiveness and innovation in Russian defence industry , competition is always good , Russian defence maker have a captive market in Russian armed forces and thats not good for the industry and armed forces

    Just to add up to the iveco news , there is a new improved Tigr version available called Tigr-M

    http://www.lenta.ru/news/2010/10/25/tiger/


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    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:34 am

    There is no reason we cannot make jeeps. Tiger is fine but no order.

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    Post  Austin on Wed Oct 27, 2010 3:42 am

    Vladimir79 wrote:There is no reason we cannot make jeeps. Tiger is fine but no order.

    Tiger has some orders but it is being supplemented by Iveco , most certainly Tiger has some weakness that made the government opt for Iveco.

    There is a difference making jeeps and making a good one that meets the armed forces need and is cost and technology competitive, Tiger certainly lacks on those front.

    But rather then getting sad and dejected about it , they should take it as a challenge to make better Tiger so that in future you dont have to order more iveco.

    Medvedev has himself said that Russian industry lacks competitiveness and innovation.

    The defence minister has just one message compete or perish , its high time the industry takes the message seriously or they will just perish

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:19 am

    Popovkin on OPK, IVECO, Mistral, and Bulava
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    Speaking to journalists at Euronaval-2010 today, First Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin said the Russian Navy needs modernization more than the other armed services. And defense industry needs modernization badly. Popovkin noted:

    “Many industry representatives came to the exhibition with the military. At the exhibition we always need to examine what’s best in the world, have talks, and look at where we aren’t up-to-date.”

    “Without reequipping the Russian defense industrial complex it’s impossible to produce modern equipment.”

    “Our task is not to buy foreign equipment, but technologies on the basis of which we would be capable of organizing production in Russia. We, unlike some other countries, are not secretly copying examples, but openly we say we’re prepared to pay for technologies, to buy licenses for production of this or that equipment. The main condition is the transfer of production to Russian territory and the transfer of technologies.”

    Is Popovkin slamming China? Is China copying secretly or actually quite brazenly?

    On the joint venture (JV) with Italy’s IVECO, Popovkin said:

    “A JV for producing these armored vehicles on RF territory has been created. Next year it will begin production. The first vehicle will come out at the end of 2011.”

    “Essentially, this is final assembly. Nevertheless, we are planning that more than 50 percent of the components in this vehicle should be of Russian manufacture.”

    Popovkin said Russia is now in talks on the specific model:

    “We’ve presented specific requirements. Why? We have our own weather conditions, different employment tactics, therefore the base model will be developed taking Russian conditions into account.”

    ITAR-TASS noted the JV will put out vehicles needed for both the Defense Ministry and the MVD. Licensed assembly of several hundred units of IVECO’s LMV M65 annually could occur at one of Russia’s automotive factories.

    Popovkin also said Russia’s tender for amphibious assault ships has been announced:

    “We’ve announced the tender for the purchase of amphibious assault ships. Two ships will be built abroad. Technology transfer for the construction of the rest is planned.”

    It sounds like Popovkin’s decided a Russian shipyard can’t win the competition for the first two units. Are Russian builders just competing for units 3 and 4?

    Asked about the number of Bulava launches in 2010, Popovkin said:

    “We’re acting sequentially, step by step, therefore it’s impossible to say now the exact number of launches in 2010. The main task now is to conduct the next launch. Based on it, we’ll determine our future plans. Until we get reliability of 98-99 percent, we won’t put this missile on combat duty. The missile’s reliability is determined not just by launches, but also by a whole series of testing work.”

    Meanwhile, a Defense Ministry source has told ITAR-TASS the second Bulava launch of 2010 will occur on 29 October.

    So if the local product is inferior then licence produce a foreign equivelent with modifications to Russias needs and with as many Russian parts as possible. The licence production is about buying new technology and setting up modern production facilities in Russia.
    This is really the boost the Russian MIC needs and will drag it up from its stagnation and give it a modern base to build from.

    I heard the Iveco vehicles are chosen because of their IED resistance... there was a little piece in the news here in New Zealand about one of our soldiers that was killed in Afghanistan and there was speculation that if he had been in an Iveco vehicle he might have survived. He was in a military hummer instead. It seems the US don't like to share their Iveco vehicles and they have tied up production so you probably couldn't buy some now if you wanted to. They also said the IED that killed our guy was huge and that even an Iveco vehicle probably wouldn't have saved him, but the Yanks wont share them... you can get as many Humvees as you want but the Ivecos are in short supply.

    Suggests to me that it is a good vehicle that saves lives so I am glad the Russian forces are getting it.
    Might be able to licence produce some for the Americans or Afghans... Smile

    Edit:
    I should point out that when my Nephew was there a couple of years back he said he liked the Americans and got on really well with them. They were equipped with everything and then some and "gave stuff" to the Kiwi contingent. Note my nephew is not SAS and his role was rebuilding, organising schools and hospitals be built, water and sanitation etc etc so they were quite popular with the locals and were stationed in the north. He was told by the locals that a group of Taleban came and asked the locals for help in getting the foreigners out and the locals said they told them to get lost because the foreigners were doing good and were not shooting anyone.
    Even so the US forces told the Kiwis to use US codes for rescue and support so in a situation where they needed rescue or air support they would have the same priority as a US unit.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Vladimir79 on Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:43 pm

    The thing isn't an MRAP and has been criticised for its lack of protection against mines. VBL is superior in protection.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:07 am

    It has a modular armour set up that can be adjusted to meet the needs of the user.

    Perhaps it is mine vulnerable when no extra armour is fitted?

    The Brits, Italians, Spanish, Belgians and Norwegians all picked it for service, but I can't find any mention of the US using it, which contradicts that news report I saw.

    Perhaps what the Russian leadership want is the production capacity to make a Light vehicle with built in modular armour kits?

    The next update of the Tigr might add modular armour kits to its design. That way the Russian military get new vehicles with modular armour and future vehicles will also benefit.

    Of perhaps they have different roles for the Tigr and this vehicle.

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    Post  medo on Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:07 pm

    I would like to ask about recce vehicle Dozor, which is based on kamaz Vystrel armored vehicle. Anyone have any info about remote weapon station with 12,7 mm machine gun. What FCS does it have, does it have night capabilities? It seems it carry small UAV ZALA 421-08. Could it send picture from UAV in real time to higher command?

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:44 am

    Isn't the Dozor-B a Ukrainian vehicle?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dozor-B

    Made by the Kharkov Morozov Machine building plant (that also makes T-80s).

    Or do you mean the company that makes the DOZOR UAV

    http://www.kronshtadt.ru/en/index.php

    With its UAV info on this website:

    http://www.uav-dozor.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=17


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    Post  medo on Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:42 am

    No, this vehicle is Kamaz Vystrel, but in Moscow parade they said it is named Dozor.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Nov 07, 2010 1:35 am

    Oops, my bad.

    Went to the Kamaz website and did a search for Dozor and came up with this:

    Another vehicle presented at the exhibition – a special armored vehicle KAMAZ-43269 Dozor (Patrol) intended for patrol and reconnaissance services as well as for convoying showed itself to good advantage at tests. At the same time Dozor protects a crew and landing forces. The armored vehicle can quickly gain a speed of 90 km p.h. which ensures successful execution of tasks. Dozor is meant for operation at the ambient temperature from -45°Ñ to +50°Ñ, the relative air humidity of 98%, the wind speed of 30 meters per second, in the mountain terrain at the heights of 4500 m. There is a room for 6 soldiers, including a driver and a commander in the vehicle, and a 16-millimeter armor provides them with a full local armoring under fire according to the 6th protection class. Moreover the soldiers have got an opportunity to fire the enemy through loopholes.

    from: http://www.kamaz.ru/en/news/2009/07/29/

    KAMAZ: Best for Army!

    On 8 July the 7th International Exhibition of Armament, Military Equipment and Ammunition was opened in Nizhny Tagil. The exposition of KAMAZ Inc. took one of the central places there.

    Military equipment, armament, ammunition and their components as well as equipment of railroad troops were presented at the exhibition. A considerable interest was traditionally aroused by new products of backup facilities. Being the leader of the Russian truck industry and one of guarantors of defence capability of the Russian Federation KAMAZ Inc. presents production of various kinds.

    Some customers were interested in an artillery tractor KAMAZ-6350 with an armored cab and a habitable compartment for a team as well as an artic KAMAZ-65225.

    Vehicles on KAMAZ-5350 chassis – a side KAMAZ-5350 with an armored cab and a functional module and a side KAMAZ-5350 with a crane-manipulating installation IM-55 look more modest but no less functional and efficient.

    A special armored vehicle KAMAZ-43269 Dozor (Patrol) intended for patrol and reconnaissance services as well as for convoying showed itself to good advantage at tests.

    One of the most powerful vehicles – a side KAMAZ-6560 (8x8) with a hydromechanical transmission is the last representative of the military “collection” of the Kama auto plant.

    The exhibition was closed on 11 July.

    Tuesday, 28 July 2009

    from: http://www.kamaz.ru/en/news/2009/07/28/

    and
    During the demonstration program, the audience managed to appreciate propulsive performance of KAMAZ vehicles, their high cross-country ability and versatile use. An armored vehicle KAMAZ-43269 “Dozor” (Patrol) was a great success. It attracted the Kuwait Ministry of Defence representatives’ great attention. And when during the demonstration under firing ground conditions “Dozor” got over a ford so deep that the water level was higher than its roof, many spectators couldn’t help crying enthusiastically.

    from: http://www.kamaz.ru/en/news/2009/07/14/

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    Post  medo on Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:45 pm

    https://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/15/83/83/58/12850018.jpg

    I hope this time work.

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    Post  medo on Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:48 pm

    https://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/15/83/83/58/12850018.jpg

    On the picture here is Dozor recce vehicle. On the first one is seen small UAV, but RCWS is not the best seen. It have 12,7 mm machine gun, but almost nothing is known about FCS and if it have any stabilization.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:52 am

    Hi Medo,

    When you host an image it shows three links that you can use to copy and paste on your post.

    The top link will display as a thumbnail on your post and the middle link will display the image itself. The bottom link will display the file on the host website page.

    If you just highlight the middle link by pressing the copy button next to it and then pressing ctrl + C on your keyboard and then click into your post and paste it on your post it should display as a picture rather than a link.


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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:14 pm

    Sorry, I can't read Russian but this short video shows a 12.7mm gun position for a vehicle and in one of the comments is a word that looks like Dozor... it has the symbol for D and then 030 and then a P which I know is an R and then an a and an x so it says dozorax.

    Ah well... have a look, it is only about 25 seconds of video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxfKm7_YV_E&feature=player_embedded

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    Post  medo on Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:43 pm



    I think RWS on this picture is better visible.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:18 am

    I think I might have the solution to this problem.

    I think Dozor refers to the name of the UAV and not the vehicle.

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    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:56 am

    Russia to buy 10 Italian armored vehicles

    Russia will buy 10 Lynx light multi-role armored vehicles (LMV) from Italy's Iveco, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said on Friday.

    He said Russia would like to set up a joint venture to assemble LMVs in Russia after the purchase.

    Italian Defense Minister Ignazio La Russa confirmed the country's readiness to transfer production technology for LMV manufacturing in Russia and their subsequent sales to CIS states, Serdyukov's press secretary Irina Kovalchuk said.

    A Russian defense industry source said in August talks were underway on LMV assembly under license at the KamAZ automaker in Naberezhnye Chelny.

    In mid-March the Russian Defense Ministry dismissed media reports that it was planning to purchase up to 1,000 Iveco M65 LMVs.


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    Post  Austin on Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:13 pm

    Surprisingly there was a snow mobility test between Iveco Lince and Tigr which Iveco failed to clear


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    Post  IronsightSniper on Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:20 pm

    It just got stuck there lol.

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    Post  Andy_Wiz on Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:32 pm

    Meanwhile the indigenious MRAP industry is getting stronger:

    There has bee major redesign of the "Bear" Cool

    According to company's website one prototype has been built.





    "OOO VPK Has produced the first redesigned SPM-3 with V-hull (the machine is primarily for MVD)

    The armour is protecting against 7,62mm armor-piercing SVD bullet at a 100m distance that is 6th class according to russian standard GOST R 50963.
    Mine protection - 2nd class STANAG 4569. "

    Chief of Gen.Staff, Ground forces commander and other high ranking officers attended the presentation of VPK company's Tigr-M, Wolf and BTR-82A at Mulino near Nizhnyi Novgorod.



    http://milindcom.ru/vic/News.html

    Plus:



    There were also reports that Army will buy a small batch of "Tigr-M" for testing in and it will apparently be built instead of basic Tigr's for the Army(as it has new Russian engine). the MVD,FSB and export customers will buy the old one as they don't have the requirement for domestic engine.

    Add to this plenty MRAP R&D programs(on new engines,transmission, ballistic and mine protection,armored tires,crew capsules etc..) now coordinated by GABTU (Main Army Armored Technical Department) as its chief - general Shevchenko has said.

    Makes it interesting where this IVECO thing is going? unshaven

    According to russian forums there is a huge IVECO factory projected to be built in Russia soon, with 3 products they will be coming to conquer Russian market... So this military IVECO shenanigans is kind of a pay Russian goverment had to make to host this factory...

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:04 am

    The main reason the Tigr didn't meet military specs was its American Cummins diesel engine.

    The new model Tigr called Tigr-M will have a Russian engine and will be in production by next year for the Russian military.

    Thing is that with the introduction of heavy, medium and light brigades the need for wheeled vehicles in the light brigades will be huge.

    I rather suspect that once the production facilities in Russia have finished making the modular armoured Ivecos M65s that they will begin making the light vehicles for the light brigades... in this case the "Typhoons" for the light brigades and possibly also the Boomerang and Kurganets-25 for the medium that will both require good mobility. I expect the heavy brigades chassis Armata will be all tracked.

    Remember they have a goal of replacing all the old stuff with new stuff, so even if they make 2,500 Ivecos right now they will replace only a small fraction of that sort of vehicles in the inventory of all the government and military.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:41 am

    BTW does anyone know what Russian company is handling this licence production?

    This Russian company will likely get a huge boost with new factory production capacity along with a state of the art tooling and skilled work force... hopefully they will apply what they learn to their own designs and perhaps initiate a few from scratch designed that combine what they have learned with what they know.

    There were also reports that Army will buy a small batch of "Tigr-M" for testing in and it will apparently be built instead of basic Tigr's for the Army(as it has new Russian engine). the MVD,FSB and export customers will buy the old one as they don't have the requirement for domestic engine.

    I have read that the Chinese are interested in the Tigr with the Cummins engine. A US designed engine made in Canada I believe.

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