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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:28 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    While the rest would have not been included until now:

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik
    KAMAZ 43269 BPM-97 Vystrel
    Skorpion 2M
    Trecol 39294
    Typhoon 4x4
    Falkatus

    GAZ 3937 Vodnik and BPM-97 Vystrel have been already seen in Syria used by Syrians.

    Likely the units come from Russian security forces (like border guard,...) and not from military forces.

    It is likely that all the units of both go to Syria, since there can be considered for combat roles as semiarmoured vehicles, while Russian security forces would move forward to newer types and maybe to units of vehicles retired from the Russian Armed forces (BRDM-2,...)
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:38 pm

    The GAZ 3937 Vodnik was accepted into the Russian Armed Forces in limited numbers for recon but was then given to the Strategic Rocket Forces as escort vehicles for the mobile Topol units. They are being replaced by Tigrs and BTR-82's.

    It was reported that there were also some BPM-97 Vystrel accepted into the Armed Forces but I have never seen any proof of that. Have seen them with Border units only.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:30 pm

    franco wrote:The GAZ 3937 Vodnik was accepted into the Russian Armed Forces in limited numbers for recon but was then given to the Strategic Rocket Forces as escort vehicles for the mobile Topol units. They are being replaced by Tigrs and BTR-82's.

    It was reported that there were also some BPM-97 Vystrel accepted into the Armed Forces but I have never seen any prove of that. Have seen them with Border units only.  

    I found in reliable sources that the Bulat 6x6 apc (developed from the BPM-97) accepted for the Russian Armed Forces in 2012, and later deployed doing this role of scort for the Strategic Rocket Forces.

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/23/

    But I found not the same evidence for the Vodnik or the BPM-97 4x4. In fact what I found would be evidence of non acceptance.

    http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/a2targets/data/ic_nomenrussiaa2targets/7/

    Like you can see the source includes many variants, a good number of them reached not the Russian Armed Forces.

    There is not doubt that some decens of units of both were produced, but I found not official reports about its acceptance, delivery or service inside de Russian Armed Forces (yes in the case of non military security forces). In the case of the Vodnik a good number of them were delivered to Uruguay. In the case of the BPM-97 it were agreements with Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan that surely were not totally successful.

    If you can provide some link proving other thing, it would be interesting to see.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:27 pm

    I have seen Russian Armed Forces news video's showing the Vodnik escorting the Topol's while they were in field deployments. In fact I think one of them was linked here somewhere but not sure where.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:53 pm

    I seem to remember this image posted showing a deployment of Vodniks to Chechnia or Dagestan or perhaps it was South Ossetia.



    And this image is the strategic rocket forces Vodnik mentioned I think:



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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  franco on Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:58 pm

    ^You took them right out of my head. Suspect

    Have never figured out how to do attachments out of that computer Laughing
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:30 am


    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:44 am

    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:36 am

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Mon Jan 30, 2017 12:29 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:16 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?

    You have zero evidence of this Vodnik being in the Russian Armed Forces. That is all.

    Russian security forces are not like the security forces in the West. You know perfectly well that Security Forces under the President (some) and the minister of Interior (others), have important amounts of military equipment. They had not only Vodniks or BPM-97, there are reports of how they had 20 D-30, 18 2S9, 247 BMP-1, 20 Mi-24/25/35, 30 Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35, 245 BMP-2, 1050 BTR-80 and 12 2S1. Some of the Russian security forces have been and are very similar to military forces.

    Then make not as fatuous your reaction, because you know perfectly well what we are talking about.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:27 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?

    You have zero evidence of this Vodnik being in the Russian Armed Forces. That is all.

    Russian security forces are not like the security forces in the West. You know perfectly well that Security Forces under the President (some) and the minister of Interior (others), have important amounts of military equipment. They had not only Vodniks or BPM-97, there are reports of how they had 20 D-30, 18 2S9, 247 BMP-1, 20 Mi-24/25/35, 30 Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35, 245 BMP-2, 1050 BTR-80 and 12 2S1. Some of the Russian security forces have been and are very similar to military forces.

    Then make not as fatuous your reaction, because you know perfectly well what we are talking about.
    RETARD, 21 code on plates refers toSouthern military district. Tactical sign is of MRB. Those vodniks are military issue. Can someone get this forum rid of such a poster? Only lies and idiocy.
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:37 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?

    You have zero evidence of this Vodnik being in the Russian Armed Forces. That is all.

    Russian security forces are not like the security forces in the West. You know perfectly well that Security Forces under the President (some) and the minister of Interior (others), have important amounts of military equipment. They had not only Vodniks or BPM-97, there are reports of how they had 20 D-30, 18 2S9, 247 BMP-1, 20 Mi-24/25/35, 30 Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35, 245 BMP-2, 1050 BTR-80 and 12 2S1. Some of the Russian security forces have been and are very similar to military forces.

    Then make not as fatuous your reaction, because you know perfectly well what we are talking about.
    RETARD, 21 code on plates refers toSouthern military district. Tactical sign is of MRB. Those vodniks are military issue. Can someone get this forum rid of such a poster? Only lies and idiocy.

    KoSHeRMoRe, where you learned it? in Brussels or in Oslo? (top European NATO cities)

    Unfortunately your word is evidence of nothing except of how idiot you are. Better if you provide some link.


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  KoTeMoRe on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:17 am

    eehnie wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    eehnie wrote:
    There is some aditional info about which units or something? There is something that assures that these vehicles are in the Russian Armed Forces and not in other internal Security Forces? Some data?

    Something like an ICBM in same column?

    It yould be the first time that you see a security forces vehicle preceding a military vehicle?

    With Vodnik? Right...well....yeah, because police doesnt have any regular patrol cars, mindblown.

    Also its not "security forces", only regular Police is requested to escort such columns if they are passing residental or civilian areas/roads. Other units got jack shit to do with column escort. Most of the time its not even regular police but MP. Regular civilian police is there only and just to clear the path and deal with possible issues in traffic. You know i kinda was myself in at least 10 columns like this and guess what... it was Peugeot 306 leading column not BOV M-86.

    Seriously do you sit whole day and try to think of most retarded questions in history?

    You have zero evidence of this Vodnik being in the Russian Armed Forces. That is all.

    Russian security forces are not like the security forces in the West. You know perfectly well that Security Forces under the President (some) and the minister of Interior (others), have important amounts of military equipment. They had not only Vodniks or BPM-97, there are reports of how they had 20 D-30, 18 2S9, 247 BMP-1, 20 Mi-24/25/35, 30 Ka-27/28/29/31/32/35, 245 BMP-2, 1050 BTR-80 and 12 2S1. Some of the Russian security forces have been and are very similar to military forces.

    Then make not as fatuous your reaction, because you know perfectly well what we are talking about.
    RETARD, 21 code on plates refers toSouthern military district. Tactical sign is of MRB. Those vodniks are military issue. Can someone get this forum rid of such a poster? Only lies and idiocy.

    Unfortunate KoSHeRMoRe, where you learned it? in Brussels or in Oslo? (top European NATO cities)

    Unfortunately your word is evidence of nothing except of how idiot you are. Better if you provide some link.

    Proof of what?

    Black Military plate with 21 indicator? It used to be the North Caucasus district until 2010 now it's the Southern Military district. Garry, Vladimir, someone get this cancer out of the forum please. NOW.

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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  Militarov on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:33 am

    eehnie wrote:

    Unfortunate KoSHeRMoRe, where you learned it? in Brussels or in Oslo? (top European NATO cities)

    Unfortunately your word is evidence of nothing except of how idiot you are. Better if you provide some link.













    This is how looks when Police escorts convoys:

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:38 am

    Kotor is right the Southern Military district does employ Vodnik's for security forces. I have seen them there before.

    Granted the first picture where yu have an entire row of them is in Syria, syrians use these things a lot.

    Those plates are russians and I have taken many pictures of such plates on Russian military vehicles.

    Man the attitude here when someone sees something they don't like needs work.

    Vodnik's are perfectly suited for security forces why wouldn't they use them?
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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  GarryB on Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:09 am

    OK guys.... that is enough.

    Personal insults will be jumped on from now on and I am talking about three day bans.

    Let me be clear if you respond to abuse then you will get a ban too.

    If someone is offensive to you then you can respond in kind and enjoy three days off with them, or you can report it... or just leave it for me to read and deal with the offender.

    The Sad thing is that I learned something new today thanks to Mil and KoTeMoRe, yet I feel compelled to delete a few posts in this thread.

    SeigSoloyvov is quite right... you guys need to reel it back a few notches and calm down...


    Man the attitude here when someone sees something they don't like needs work.

    OK... you have been warned... you control your destiny now... you can behave like kids or you can be mature adults...


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    Re: Infantry Mobility Vehicles

    Post  eehnie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:34 pm

    Militarov wrote:This is how looks when Police escorts convoys:


    This is a rough misleading simplification. The Russian security forces, also look like this (as example the former Internal Troops, now merged in the National Guard Forces Command):


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    Post  Militarov on Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:19 pm

    eehnie wrote:
    Militarov wrote:This is how looks when Police escorts convoys:


    This is a rough misleading simplification. The Russian security forces, also look like this (as example the former Internal Troops, now merged in the National Guard Forces Command):



    Oh sure, they will naturally escort convoys with riot control vehicles. #not

    They also got buses you know? Why dont they use bus?

    Also, we are talking about POLICE, not "Security forces", POLICE. None of the above is police patrol car and has nothing to do with path clearing for military convoys.
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    Post  eehnie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:15 pm

    Militarov wrote:Oh sure, they will naturally escort convoys with riot control vehicles. #not

    They also got buses you know? Why dont they use bus?

    Also, we are talking about POLICE, not "Security forces", POLICE. None of the above is police patrol car and has nothing to do with path clearing for military convoys.

    Not, but surely have been doing it with Vodniks, that they had at least until recently.

    Also, you are talking about Police, I always talked about Russian security forces.


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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:23 pm

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    Post  Militarov on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:59 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    What the Hell is this Hobo thing? Are those MLRS tubes attached to the sides? Someones garage project Smile?
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:35 am

    BTR 40, you're doing it wrong son!
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    Post  Arctic_Fox on Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:44 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    here's the video:
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:54 am

    Militarov wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    What the Hell is this Hobo thing? Are those MLRS tubes attached to the sides? Someones garage project Smile?

    It's a step up from the unarmored dune buggies (which are the alternative) when you consider the options of light tactical transport, and it looks like it'll probably have RPO/Shmel tubes.

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