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    Re: Russian population

    Post  gaurav on Tue May 28, 2013 4:58 pm

    from interfax.com


    Russia’s population may shrink to 107 million by 2050, a minister has warned, citing experts. “According to expert information,

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Tue May 28, 2013 6:40 pm

    TR1 wrote:Pseudoscience that reeks of Social Darwinism isn't intelligent debate though.

    It's lunacy, and has VERY offensive implications.


    My pastor and primary co-lecturer said I would have to make an allowance for you since you were probably raised under the Soviet education system which was incredibly one-sided and which did not allow access to dissenting viewpoints or materials related to dissenting viewpoints.


    Here in the USA you could read the Communist Manifesto [and I have], Mein Kampf [and I have], Origins and Doctrine of Fascism [and I have], Das Kapital [read parts of it], along with hundreds of Jewish sociology tracts on how race is a cultural/social construct and how it has no biological component [I have ready many- and this is the ONLY view promoted and approved for use in the school system], and I have read the classic racialist literature by Stoddard, Grant, Gobineau, and most of the classic Eugenicist texts. I have first edition books of most of the classic racialist and eugenicist works.



    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information. I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.


    So for you to automatically consider social darwinism and racial theory to be "proven pseudoscience" is not particularly shocking, you were raised in a society where that was the only acceptable view, the view disseminated to the masses, and there was absolutely no dissenting literature available even to those who might have sought it out and read it.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Tue May 28, 2013 6:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Of course you do... it fits the western white oriented Whites = smart, civilised, non whites = dumb, natives, mentality. It made it much easier to plunder the worlds resources by pretending the non-whites were lessor people.

    The problem for such thinking is that globalisation and the internet... and most importantly a depolarisation of the powers of the world from east and west, to lots of countries investing money and energy and technology into poorer countries... well lets just say if you take a baby from a village in Paupa New Guinea that has practises that would be familiar to most hunter gatherer tribes and put them in an apartment in New York, by the time that child grows up in the western society it wont be a hunter gatherer, it will essentially be a 21st C westerner. Skin colour will have nothing to do with it. The people still in that tribal village might be considered savages by the people of western society but there is nothing physiologically that prevents them from being as western as any native white child.




    We've been taking negroes out of jungles for 500 years, the jungle remains in the negro.


    Behavior is not conditioned upon environmental factors.


    Violent behavior along TRIBAL [or GANG] lines can be observed in negroes anywhere they are present in sufficient numbers.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Tue May 28, 2013 6:46 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    And I assume you haven't heard of the first world nations of Brazil, South Africa, ROK, Japan, PRC, Singapore, etc.



    My mistake, I forgot that South Africa was a barren wasteland until Zulu and Xhosa explorers arrived and began building cities... They built Pretoria, Johannesburg, Durban, right?



    They also designed and built the nuclear power plant in South Africa, they built the automobile factories in South Africa, they designed the automobiles that were later produced at the factories, and they even built all the bridges, dams, and roads!


    Who exactly built South Africa?



    Just because a lot of dark people live there, doesn't make it a black man's nation. South Africa was founded and built by the White people.



    As for Japan, it was dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern era in the mid-1800s by America, and then it was given a tremendous boost by the British in the closing years of the 1800s and opening years of the 1900s. The success of Korea is an extension of the success of Japan and the fact that America built Korea into a modern nation in the aftermath of the destruction caused during the Korean War.


    Singapore inherited a huge amount of infrastructure left behind by the British who built the cities, the brick buildings, the factories, the roads, etc. Singapore also has the good fortune to be located where it is, sitting along a major global shipping route.


    Brazil was originally settled and founded by White people and there are perhaps 40 million Whites in Brazil today. The center of economic activity is not the capital Brasilia but rather one of the Whitest cities, Sao Paulo.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Tue May 28, 2013 7:03 pm

    NationalRus wrote:we have huge problems in all kinds of ways in ou population, huge problems with durugs alcoholism and a low birth rate under our slavic population...

    encouragement alone is not enough, we need to take drastic "encouragement", big support for families with children and without harsh cuts, since a low birth rate will pressure more and more the working class which pays the pension for the old, we need to flip the pressure here, families without children will get ther pension cut by 50% when they reach pension age, families with 1 child will get a 25% cut, with 2 children a normal one and with more then 3 wll get a 5% increese for every child

    i think that would be the most "encouraging" way to get this lazy scum of a population that doesn't care that our countrs is dying out but only wants to have a good time to have children

    how to fight alcoholism most effectivly we already descuced here in a thread i started

    and drugs? execute every drug dealer out ther point blank, and every drug user goes for 5 years in a hard labour camp, thailnd dealed with its drug problem in a someway similar way, worked excellent

    but that are for now only dreams under our left-liberal on country spiting don't give a shit regime


    If people are optimistic and hopeful for the future they will have as many children as they are able to afford.

    Also, there is some truth in the idea that if the state/government establishes pensions and retirement facilities for old people, people will have far less children. If the government promises to take care of you in your old age, why have children and spend 20 years raising them? Historically it was expected that parents would raise children and care for them until they were adults and then the children would take care of the parents as they were in their final years.


    It is not enough to throw a few thousand dollars at some woman and tell her to have some babies.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Tue May 28, 2013 7:15 pm

    Pervius wrote:""" low birth rate under our slavic population."""


    Many young slavic girls walking around in 1980's nylon winter jackets in Russia.....they felt they didn't belong because they had no place to live...be....no one was in charge of helping them get DECENT employment able to help Russia's economy.

    Russian's treated them like dirt and didn't care, left them on the streets. No incorporation plan.

    Copy America's model. Welfare cards, Section 8 Government checks to get apartments. Russians would rent out apartments and make money off of the slavic population...the slavic population would have a feeling of belonging...

    It may be too late to fix where Russia went wrong. Then again America's model failed because even though +40 million Mexicans got free food, healthcare, roof over their heads.....they all still fly the Mexican Flag.



    When you pay the poor underclass to remain idle and to breed, do not be surprised when a generation later you have to deal with an underclass that is 4x the size of what it previously was and that is just as idle/lazy.


    When you provide incentives for people to refrain from working, they will refrain from working for as long as possible, unless they are of exceptional character. Do not project your exceptional character onto the masses, this is a mistake commonly made by Westeners, especially when dealing with non-Westeners.

    Note, that when I refer to the greater "Westerner" community I am referring to Europeans West of the Urals, which includes Russia. I consider Russia a central feature of Western Civilization, although Russia is sometimes a bit hard to clearly place, is it West, is it East, is it where West meets East? Russia is clearly not an Asian nation, it was founded by White Europeans, the Rus, but it is not entirely a European nation because it has a large population of non-Europeans and the majority of its land mass lies inside of Asia. Even still, Russia is an important player in the Western civilization.


    When I refer to "Western women" what I generaly mean are women from the English speaking world, British, American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and English women in South Africa.



    If Russia wants a sustainable and genuinely beneficial population increase they should strive to achieve a situation where 10% of their population are small/family farmers working 300-500 acre plots of land that they own as a family. They should also promote an small business owning class in the urban areas. The best way to do this would be to remove taxes and barriers to entry into numerous business fields.

    As for the land program? Simply declare a homestead program. Any family that moves onto a parcel of land, builds a dwelling on the land, and remains on the land for 10 years, will have full title to the parcel of land.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Tue May 28, 2013 7:23 pm

    GarryB wrote:Most western countries are suffering population decline, though that is hidden by immigration figures... but that often creates more problems than it solves.

    Considering the problems created by over population I really don't think it is actually a serious problem to actually care about as such.

    The real focus should be on quality of life, and economic development to make life easier and better to prevent "brain drain".

    There are plenty of people who will leave their home country for a better life for themselves and their children, and I can understand what they are doing and why they do it.

    The facts of the matter are however such people will always flit from place to place, the secret is to offer a safe healthy educated place to return to... that means dealing with crime, dealing with corruption, improving education and healthcare, improving infrastructure and creating jobs and making affordable housing so people will have the chance to own their own homes and feel safe.

    Regarding the borders with China... I say offer citizenship to the people crossing from China... give them a vote and a taste of economic freedom and they might stay and become good citizens.



    They don't move to Russia because they want to live as Russians, speak Russian, and become productive members of the Russian/Slavic volk community. They are moving to Russia because being a factory worker in Russia probably pays 10-20x what being a factory worker in China pays, and the food is probably better and the air is probably cleaner.


    There are 1.65 billion Chinese, if even 5% of them were allowed to move into Russia and become citizens, it would spell the end of Russia in regards to its identity as a Slavic/Orthodox Russian-speaking nation.

    Somewhere around 50% of India's population declared that they would move to the USA if they were able to do so. It is to our good fortune that a tremendous distance, along with two oceans, separates our nation from India.


    Russia MUST vigorously police its borders in Central Asia and it must not make the mistake that America has made, essentially the mistake that a Mexican who swims across the river and learns broken English can somehow become an American.


    Presently the Mexicans have organized numerous secessionist movements demanding the ceding of all lands West of the Mississippi River to Mexico.

    Look what the Albanians have done to Serbia/Kosovo and are doing to Macedonia!


    Once a foreign race, especially a foreign race that comes from a bordering country where their race is dominant, achieves about 20-30% of the overall population, or a majority of the population in border areas, secessionist talk begins to occur amongst the immigrant population and expansionist talk begins to occur amongst the government officials and military officials in the homeland.

    If Siberia were to become 60% Chinese, it wouldn't be long before the Chinese government would declare, "Siberia was always rightfully the land of the Chinese!" or they might declare, "Just as Russia grabbed up Outer Manchuria, they owe us reparations, we should have Siberia so we can grow! What do they need it for? Why are they, with less than 200 million people allowed to have more land than our nation which has almost 2 billion people! We demand Siberia!"

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed May 29, 2013 4:30 am

    BTRfan wrote:

    They don't move to Russia because they want to live as Russians, speak Russian, and become productive members of the Russian/Slavic volk community. They are moving to Russia because being a factory worker in Russia probably pays 10-20x what being a factory worker in China pays, and the food is probably better and the air is probably cleaner.


    There are 1.65 billion Chinese, if even 5% of them were allowed to move into Russia and become citizens, it would spell the end of Russia in regards to its identity as a Slavic/Orthodox Russian-speaking nation.

    Somewhere around 50% of India's population declared that they would move to the USA if they were able to do so. It is to our good fortune that a tremendous distance, along with two oceans, separates our nation from India.


    Russia MUST vigorously police its borders in Central Asia and it must not make the mistake that America has made, essentially the mistake that a Mexican who swims across the river and learns broken English can somehow become an American.


    Presently the Mexicans have organized numerous secessionist movements demanding the ceding of all lands West of the Mississippi River to Mexico.

    Look what the Albanians have done to Serbia/Kosovo and are doing to Macedonia!

    Once a foreign race, especially a foreign race that comes from a bordering country where their race is dominant, achieves about 20-30% of the overall population, or a majority of the population in border areas, secessionist talk begins to occur amongst the immigrant population and expansionist talk begins to occur amongst the government officials and military officials in the homeland.

    If Siberia were to become 60% Chinese, it wouldn't be long before the Chinese government would declare, "Siberia was always rightfully the land of the Chinese!" or they might declare, "Just as Russia grabbed up Outer Manchuria, they owe us reparations, we should have Siberia so we can grow! What do they need it for? Why are they, with less than 200 million people allowed to have more land than our nation which has almost 2 billion people! We demand Siberia!"
    Id say they can have it, but they would have to pay in blood, lots of blood. They werent the first and certainly not the last to think of getting lebensraum from the bear. Oh, and if they were to have a chance, they know would have wait for 2-3 more decades to not become a nuclear walkover. However, by that time, they would have to contend with a much more advanced albeit much smaller army, with thousands of nukes, a functioning ABM system and maybe ethnic bioweapons.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Firebird on Wed May 29, 2013 11:10 am

    Regular wrote:Keep ad hominem to Yourself.
    What did I lie? Why should I be jealous??? You sound similar to typical supremacist from the west. Open your eyes. There is no such thing as 1 world people. Get off your fake superiority horse.
    What the hell are you talking about my country, it's doing fine and it doesn't become political correct, tolerant, spineless parking lot as Your country is. Gays get their face smashed in, obese people don't get social support just for being fat, teachers in school can still hit children if they misbehave, men are men and women are women, no feminism. You can clearly see how delusional and your society of today is by watching X factor and your 'talents'. Or your music on bbc one. What does typical Brit has better than Eastern Europeam doesn't? Your know nothing of hardship, your new generation is soft, your men are weak not only by mind but by bodies too and being obese is considered to be norm. There is no competition thats why You loose in job market to foreigner work force. Ask anyone who lived in Uk what they think about You people.
    I'm not jealous just got enough of chauvinism from people that think they are beacon of culture and democracy. Europe is loosing it's values and You are already lost

    Well well, the comedy troll makes another attempt at a post.
    You're attacking Britain and you're DESPERATE to live here. Because your own "country" is a joke, a poverty ridden hole that fell down the toilet after you had a daft, jealousy and hatefilled idea to break away from Moscow.

    What would u earn if u were back in your own country, not sponging off 1st World living standards? 50 usd a month.. I wouldn't give u half that.
    You caused your "country's" problems, get back and sort them out. Stop sponging off us!

    And I'm not some "western supremacist". By blood, I'm more Russian than English.

    You're a coward.Competition, pride in your society and hard work was all too much for you in your territory. So u act like a vampire somewhere else AND start making up smears and bullshit.

    What astounds me most of all is how brainless u are with your lies and smears against Britain, and I'm not even a British patriot. If u had any sense you'd keep your head down and be grateful. This way you'll probably end up the way of the gypsies who were burned out of Northern Ireland. (The parallels are significant).

    You put your Hitler supporting "country" in the 3rd world. You can try and dig it out. Dont bring your 3rd World, gypsy antics to England, or Russia, or any other modern countries. Putin should send the tanks in.. Would stop the harrassment of Russian war heroes..

    Dont bother replying. Like most others, I wont read it.

    *Ignore*


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Firebird on Wed May 29, 2013 11:17 am

    The issues relating to race are complex, IMO.

    I do believe the races show differences. Much like different dog breeds show differences. I mean we're all closely related to chimps by DNA. Altho most of us are very unlike them (GW Bush etc excluded).

    I think another factor is cultural differences as a factor in the growth or otherwise of different types of intelligence.

    Where I disgree, I think is that I believe all races should have the chance to develop. I mean Japanese, South Indians, British, Russian etc are all known for different types of intelligence. I think part of that is "hardwired", part is cultural. Racism is a misused word. I mean there are some very intelligent people from certain parts of Asia. However, I dont want millions of them to emigrate where I live.
    That is not a racist view, it is a cultural and society based one.

    BTR is right in Russia's need to defend itself from China. And there are issues of defending a country's identity against vile invaders. Who arent always non-white
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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Regular on Wed May 29, 2013 12:09 pm

    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
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    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Wed May 29, 2013 12:43 pm

    Accept it , reject it . It is clearly mentioned in the HOLY BIBLE that Blacks , Asians are an inferior breed . They are inferior in God's eyes . Not only the slavery of blacks/asians was in fulfillment of the Biblical curse, but their dark skin color is too. Now before you jump to the conclusion that I am a racist , read what the BIBLE has to say .

    “Cursed be Canaan [Genesis 9:25]—this doom has been fulfilled in. . . the slavery of the Africans, the descendants of Ham.”

    So your proof comes from a religious text written two thousand years ago?

    Inferior in Gods eyes, yet he created all men as equals and of his own image... yeah, the bible is great... you can read pretty much anything you want in it.

    Why is it that all the developed nations in the world are White nations and all the 3rd world nations populated by blacks/asians .

    Perhaps because first, second, and third world terms are white mans terms to describe western civilisation, communist white civilisation, and then everyone else.

    Perhaps you should go to a place like Singapore and tell them they live in a third world country, or perhaps Japan?

    Don't get me wrong the rich white countries are very sophisticated, but most lack real history... New Zealand is less than 200 years old in white terms, and the same can be said for Australia and may other "white colonies". America is no where near the 5 thousand years of history and culture that China and Japan represent, yet you claim some sort of superiority... it just sounds juvenile.

    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .

    Of course... and without those dark skinned people all those white Russians would live in peace and not even need a police force because they would not have any criminals at all...


    Explain me in detail how posts from Sujoy or Austin for example are "less intelligent" than comments from a white person for example yourself?

    Indeed... my experience tells me the opposite, not only through their contributions, but also the sensible and relevant questions they ask.

    My pastor and primary co-lecturer said I would have to make an allowance for you since you were probably raised under the Soviet education system which was incredibly one-sided and which did not allow access to dissenting viewpoints or materials related to dissenting viewpoints.


    Here in the USA you could read the Communist Manifesto [and I have], Mein Kampf [and I have], Origins and Doctrine of Fascism [and I have], Das Kapital [read parts of it], along with hundreds of Jewish sociology tracts on how race is a cultural/social construct and how it has no biological component [I have ready many- and this is the ONLY view promoted and approved for use in the school system], and I have read the classic racialist literature by Stoddard, Grant, Gobineau, and most of the classic Eugenicist texts. I have first edition books of most of the classic racialist and eugenicist works.



    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information. I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.

    Intreresting... you start by saying in the US there are no restrictions on what you can read, and then you tell TR-1 that he has not had the chance to read as widely as you have because he is a commie and lives in the former Soviet Union.

    We've been taking negroes out of jungles for 500 years, the jungle remains in the negro.

    Those negroes have have cities and civilisations long before the white fella... look at China, and the Middle East... or are those dark skinned Arabs now whities?

    Of the last 2 million years the human race as a whole has spent rather more time in trees and jungles than in houses and skyscrapers.

    The obesity we see today in modern western society comes largely from our natural preference for high energy foods like fat and bone marrow... things we can get in abundance now but still crave because of our DNA programming developed over millions of generations.

    Behavior is not conditioned upon environmental factors.

    Humans are very adaptable... whites and blacks and others. There is no evidence that one race or other is more likely to be more adaptable than the others.

    Violent behavior along TRIBAL [or GANG] lines can be observed in negroes anywhere they are present in sufficient numbers.

    The most violently brutal race would have to be the whites... WWI and WWII prove that.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.

    An French colonial white people living in the Congo are saints who wouldn't break wind without permission let alone resort to violence under any circumstances... Rolling Eyes

    My mistake, I forgot that South Africa was a barren wasteland until Zulu and Xhosa explorers arrived and began building cities... They built Pretoria, Johannesburg, Durban, right?

    Those countries named were all exploited and abused by white people looking to steal land and resources from the locals before the locals could work out the real worth of what they had.

    White people learned through expansion to combine technologies... printing from China... mathematics from the arabs, etc etc and then they used their expertise to brutalise and steal. Most of central and south america has a caste system introduced by the whites and the settlers that basically puts the natives at the bottom of society... as a white person it is something to be ashamed of, though I did nothing myself, I recognise the crimes. Oh they didn't know any better... of course they did.

    You're attacking Britain and you're DESPERATE to live here.

    The strange irony is that you are accusing him of doing what Britain and Europe has been doing to the world for the last 400 years. Lots of white people... sick of not being at the top of the heap, sick of there being no more land to buy and own, took a real risk and left to find somewhere else to create a life. The criminals were sent to Australia, but many went willingly to other places around the globe.

    But now that things are bad it is easy to blame the foreigner... especially if their skin colour is different or they don't speak the same language.

    Now that this flow of people is going in the other direction all of a sudden it is a problem...

    There are 1.65 billion Chinese, if even 5% of them were allowed to move into Russia and become citizens, it would spell the end of Russia in regards to its identity as a Slavic/Orthodox Russian-speaking nation.

    If they want to work in Russian factories they will need to speak Russian. In my personal experience Chinese workers are very good citizens as long as you treat them fairly.

    Presently the Mexicans have organized numerous secessionist movements demanding the ceding of all lands West of the Mississippi River to Mexico.

    Look what the Albanians have done to Serbia/Kosovo and are doing to Macedonia!

    Indeed... what goes around... comes around.

    "Siberia was always rightfully the land of the Chinese!" or they might declare, "Just as Russia grabbed up Outer Manchuria, they owe us reparations, we should have Siberia so we can grow! What do they need it for? Why are they, with less than 200 million people allowed to have more land than our nation which has almost 2 billion people! We demand Siberia!"

    And so what if they did. I can demand all sorts of things... it means nothing unless they can back it up.

    Much of China is still largely empty... it will be some time before they actually need land... but demanding land from Russia would certainly be a very good way to deal with their over population issues... Twisted Evil

    [quote]Much like different dog breeds show differences. I mean we're all closely related to chimps by DNA.[.quote]

    We are closely related to chimps and apes because we have a common ancestor. We didn't evolve from apes and monkeys, we evolved from the same branch of the same family... they are not our brothers, they are our cousins.

    Who can out steal politician?

    They can only try... to succeed is dream.

    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    US indoctrination... they are the pinnacle of civilisation...

    There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black

    Indeed... the White British hated the Russians well before the communist revolution of last century... I have a book written by a British naval gunner from the 1870s where he talks about the evil half asian Russian that can't be trusted and at any opportunity would steal India from Britain. That is the problem with being a conquesting colonial power... paranoid that everyone else thinks like you do. (but of course just because you are paranoid doesn't make you wrong...)


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Firebird on Wed May 29, 2013 2:52 pm

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    The strange irony is that you are accusing him of doing what Britain and Europe has been doing to the world for the last 400 years. Lots of white people... sick of not being at the top of the heap, sick of there being no more land to buy and own, took a real risk and left to find somewhere else to create a life. The criminals were sent to Australia, but many went willingly to other places around the globe.

    But now that things are bad it is easy to blame the foreigner... especially if their skin colour is different or they don't speak the same language.

    Now that this flow of people is going in the other direction all of a sudden it is a problem...

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    Garry, I've never supported or welcomed the genocides committed by the British.
    So its not any way to support/defend or condone a desecration, destruction or invasion of Britain.

    And this maniac Regular is the most intolerant person you could imagine. He smears British people as lazy scum, and makes up a load of lies. He commends Lithuania for "smashing gays heads in" and many other bizarre things. And then says Lithuania is better than Britain. What was it he called Britain? Something like a "politically correct shithole". If he said that in a lot of British pubs, he'd be sent back to his gypsy patch - in a body bag. Its clear how his kind were supporters of Hitler, and committed appalling crimes against Russia.. and now Britain. ANY and EVERY country can do without his kind. Surely you can see that?

    If you let me round your house to stay and then I said "Garry you're a cunt, you're all lazy New Zealand scum", you'd probably be a little offended, yes? Very Happy

    If the guy had kept his mouth shut and respectful to his hosts, I wouldnt have even bothered speaking.

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    In general terms, short term economic migration is a problem because it is not a fair competition. British people cant take their money back to Pakistan or Estonia. So Brits become exploited and oppressed. That isnt a good thing or a democratic thing.
    Likewise, Muslim fanatics (or Baltic Nazis) aren't healthy for a tolerant and cultured society- another reason to ban it, yes?
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    My views are about communities, cultures, and balanced cooperation. And against invasions.

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    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:28 pm

    Regular wrote:
    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
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    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile



    Mass ignorance in the USA is a rather recent issue, probably going back to the late 1980s into the 1990s.

    I would put the US population of the 1950s or 1960s up against the Soviet population of the same period, in general knowledge, knowledge of literature, math, etc.

    I highly doubt that the Stalinist education system encouraged [or even allowed] young people to have access to classical works such as those of Plato, Aristotle, and other great Western philosophers. I also have to doubt whether or not the Soviet system encouraged critical thinking, independent thought, meaningful analysis of society/government.



    One feature of America societ that I have always loved even though I have many complaints about America, we don't censor information even if the vast majority of society does not find it useful. We allow people to read whatever they want, study whatever they want, and form their own worldview. Most people wind up going with whatever they receive from authority figures via the mass media and education system [but this is true for most people in ANY nation, as most people defer to authorities and are at least moderately authoritarian in personality] while some people read and become anarchists, socialists, communists, fascists, national socialists, nationalists, conservatives, revolutionaries, reactionaries, monarchists, liberals, libertarians. In short, there is no ignorance in the USA because of lack of available information or lack of access to information, the ignorance would be due solely to people lacking sufficient desire to access and use the available information.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:32 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Intreresting... you start by saying in the US there are no restrictions on what you can read, and then you tell TR-1 that he has not had the chance to read as widely as you have because he is a commie and lives in the former Soviet Union.



    If he can honestly claim that while coming of age in the Soviet Union in the 1980s he had free and unrestricted access to a multitude of books and printed material representing a variety of viewpoints, then I will retract my remark.

    By variety of viewpoints I do not mean socialism, communism, trotskyism, stalinism, social democracy, etc.


    What I am getting at, and what I shall ask rather directly- In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read a book written by a free market advocate from the United States? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read the American Declaration of Independence and the American Bill of Rights? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read Plato's Republic? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read Mein Kampf? In 1980 in the Soviet Union could you go to the library and read books on eugenics written not by detractors of eugenics but by advocates of eugenics from the 1910s-1930s United States?

    Were you free to read anything and everything you wanted?

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:35 pm

    Regular wrote:
    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
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    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile



    Cuba is a basket-case and an economic back-water, although much of that can be attributed to the US embargo.

    However, the fact that Cuba claims, "America hurts us with their embargo" is a tacit admission that communism does not work. If they were truly convinced of the validity of communism and if communism were truly workable, they would not want to trade with the USA and they would not need to trade with the USA.

    Cuba's relationship towards the USA is the equivalent of a wayward son who moves out of the house at age 18 but then still calls mom and dad on a regular basis because he needs them to pay his rent, pay for his groceries, pay for his utilities, and pay for his gasoline.

    Cuba talks a big talk about communism and self-sufficiency and how they don't need to deal with market economy nations, but then in the next sentence they moan about how the American embargo has hurt their nation and how they want to be able to buy food, medicine, spare parts for their vehicles, and modern vehicles, from the USA.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:37 pm

    Regular wrote:
    In Russia too these dark skinned immigrants from Central Asia are the biggest criminals and are dislike by all the locals .
    What? The biggest criminals in Russia are Russian citizens. Russians, Chechens, Dagestanies. Those immigrants can only do petty crimes, but real money is being stolen in Duma anyway. Who can out steal politician?

    In the USA there has always been a tremendous availability of information. Nobody suffers from lack of access to the information, if they are ignorant or have a tremendously one-sided view, it is because they never deem fit to actually utilize their access to the information.
    Oh the Irony, USA where majority of people are no thicker than sheet of paper with no geographical, historical understanding..

    I highly doubt that in the USSR you could go to the library in Kiev or Leningrad or Moscow and check out a copy of a book written by Madison Grant, Lothrop Stoddard, or any of the American eugencisists or social darwinists, let alone Mein Kampf. There was no ability to access any information other than what the CPSU decided would be accessible.
    ~
    Maybe the information was not thought to be in any way useful. Mein Kampf is lunacy for example.

    Negroes born and raised in France behave as viciously and tribally as those who stayed behind in the former French Congo.
    What about black people in Cuba?

    BTR, You should not play with racism, very sensitive topic here. There are loads of Russians that are mixed race.
    Not to mention few famous people in Czarist times that were black Smile



    Indeed many Russians may be a mix of German and Russian, Ukrainian and Russian, Polish and Russian, Balts and Russian, but that is merely mixed nationality/ethnicity, they would still be European.

    As for the Tatars, Cumans, and those from central Asia who mixed with Russians, I am polite enough that I am more than capable of restraining myself from making them the target of some slur. It achieves nothing to hurl cheap insults at such people and you won't have to worry about such conduct on my part.


    I would hope you would share my view that Russia exists for the benefit of the Russian people, for the survival and expansion of the Russian people, not for the benefit of those who descend from various nomadic tribes that rode into Russia intent on conquest. Siberia does not exist so China has a "relief valve" for its surplus population. Siberia exists for the benefit of the Russian people.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:42 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Perhaps you should go to a place like Singapore and tell them they live in a third world country, or perhaps Japan?

    Don't get me wrong the rich white countries are very sophisticated, but most lack real history... New Zealand is less than 200 years old in white terms, and the same can be said for Australia and may other "white colonies". America is no where near the 5 thousand years of history and culture that China and Japan represent, yet you claim some sort of superiority... it just sounds juvenile.


    Those countries named were all exploited and abused by white people looking to steal land and resources from the locals before the locals could work out the real worth of what they had.



    Just so we're clear, what is now South Africa was VOID and EMPTY when the Dutch first arrived. There were a few nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes, less than a few thousand in number, around the Cape area, but the interior was without population all the way to the border of what is now Namibia.

    Within about 20-50 years of Whites settling in the Cape, the first Xhosa and Zulu began to enter near the area that is now the border of South Africa and Zimbabwe. Whites did not arrive in some heavily populated, already settled area, and ruthlessly exploit and brutalize, they landed in a virtually barren and empty area and established their towns and forts.

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    Post  BTRfan on Wed May 29, 2013 6:44 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    White people learned through expansion to combine technologies... printing from China... mathematics from the arabs, etc etc and then they used their expertise to brutalise and steal. Most of central and south america has a caste system introduced by the whites and the settlers that basically puts the natives at the bottom of society... as a white person it is something to be ashamed of, though I did nothing myself, I recognise the crimes. Oh they didn't know any better... of course they did.




    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Thu May 30, 2013 3:53 am

    Garry, I've never supported or welcomed the genocides committed by the British.
    So its not any way to support/defend or condone a desecration, destruction or invasion of Britain.

    It happened for a wide range of reasons... very few of them right or fair... and the same can be said about what is happening now. The solution is not burning books and labels and 'camps'.

    He smears British people as lazy scum, and makes up a load of lies.

    He is talking from personal experience regarding the people he has had contact with... my brother spent some time in the UK and worked on building sites and he said that the people who hire prefer kiwis and aussies because they actually work while the locals tend to turn up, sign in and then bugger off till smoko. The people doing the hiring were corrupt as well... they would pretend to hire 50 guys and only hire 30 and pocket the extra wages themselves. Now that is not to say that all construction everywhere in Britain is exactly like that, but clearly some of it is. BTW he told me they were pulling down an old block of flats and all of a sudden the locals turned up and took over the job of working in the bathrooms... it seems the tiles were worth a pound each undamaged so they would carefully remove them and take them round the back of the build site to a guy in the van. When the bosses found out they demanded a cut.

    I am not going to say that that makes all Brits criminals or lazy... it is just the system they had in place where there was no accountability for each worker so the locals pretended they were working on another floor... they might be playing soccer or off down the pub... the only problem was when the bosses turned up for lunch, but you just buy them a beer and find another pub for tomorrow.

    If you let me round your house to stay and then I said "Garry you're a cunt, you're all lazy New Zealand scum", you'd probably be a little offended, yes?

    I would just write you off as another winging pom mate... Twisted Evil

    and now Britain. ANY and EVERY country can do without his kind. Surely you can see that?

    Someone who is guilty of being patriotic is someone guilty of being human.

    Don't take it so personally. He is entitled to his opinion and calling him names is not going to change his opinion, though it might make you feel better it is really just a waste of your energy.

    Most people generalise, I am sure there are a few Brits he admires and respects too... but if you abuse him he is going to ignore that..

    In general terms, short term economic migration is a problem because it is not a fair competition. British people cant take their money back to Pakistan or Estonia. So Brits become exploited and oppressed. That isnt a good thing or a democratic thing.
    Likewise, Muslim fanatics (or Baltic Nazis) aren't healthy for a tolerant and cultured society- another reason to ban it, yes?

    Look at the US Canada border and the US Mexico border... that is the price of success. Most westerners have no idea what life is like in other countries... the worst thing the west has done in the last 200 years is not bomb or shoot, it has been to embargo and isolate. Bomb craters can be filled, but being forced to struggle to survive is far worse... of course people from such countries would like to live where the infrastructure is intact, where roads are built and maintained... where there is a bus service and electricity supply that isn't on from 10am till 2pm during the day if that.

    Perhaps if the West had been nicer and allowed countries to grow and prosper they wouldn't be running to the west to make some money.

    Of course realistically the current movement of people to the west is actually only a fraction of the number it could be.

    If he can honestly claim that while coming of age in the Soviet Union in the 1980s he had free and unrestricted access to a multitude of books and printed material representing a variety of viewpoints, then I will retract my remark.

    Black markets are everywhere... ironic in this case... Twisted Evil Razz


    Were you free to read anything and everything you wanted?

    Should you be asking me?

    Perhaps I would have a different opinion of you if you had opened with such a question and then stated your views based upon that answer.

    Personally I try not to judge the people I interact with, and certainly the idea of prejudging them based upon their skin colour or ethnicity is mildly vulgar to me. I realise it is not helpful, but it reminds me of the Nazis and their world view and I find that repellent.

    Cuba is a basket-case and an economic back-water, although much of that can be attributed to the US embargo.

    Much? Cuba was the med of the atlantic and would be THE go to holiday destination for north americans... except the US bans that.

    However, the fact that Cuba claims, "America hurts us with their embargo" is a tacit admission that communism does not work.

    Clearly Chinese communism shows it can work when the rich west invests in their economy by using their cheap labour.

    It wouldn't matter what form of government the Cubans adopt as long as the US has an embargo they are in trouble. Democratic Iran proves the point. As does Communist China.

    If they were truly convinced of the validity of communism and if communism were truly workable, they would not want to trade with the USA and they would not need to trade with the USA.

    Really? Because the US was happy to licence production in the Communist Soviet Union... the DC-3, a wide range of Ford trucks and tractors, the Maxim machine gun are just a small selection of US or western products licence produced in the Soviet Union.

    Communism is not about a closed economic system, the communist chinese system at the moment has a free market economy... the main difference is that the Chinese have one political party and the US has two.

    Cuba's relationship towards the USA is the equivalent of a wayward son who moves out of the house at age 18 but then still calls mom and dad on a regular basis because he needs them to pay his rent, pay for his groceries, pay for his utilities, and pay for his gasoline.

    Cuba and the US are not related it is more like a neighbour punishing a neighbour. The US does not and has never paid Cubas bills or assisted it in any way. Before Castro most Cubans had menial jobs and most of the land owners were white foreigners, and most of the money was in casinos controlled by US criminal organisations. If your goal was to be a cabana boy all your life then it was utopia.

    Cuba talks a big talk about communism and self-sufficiency and how they don't need to deal with market economy nations, but then in the next sentence they moan about how the American embargo has hurt their nation and how they want to be able to buy food, medicine, spare parts for their vehicles, and modern vehicles, from the USA.

    Communism has nothing to do with self sufficiency... communism does not mean the country is not open to international trade.
    I rather doubt Cuba wants to buy anything from the US, it is the US economic action against any company that operates in Cuba and the US that is the problem... who is going to enter the Cuban market if it means they cannot enter the US market?

    The US is just a bully.

    And a petty one at that. They were happy to trade with China... a country that pushed them out of North Korea during the Korean war, but wont trade with Cuba... both communist countries, but China has killed rather more Americans than Cuba ever did.

    The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Thank you.

    You have described western white civilisation.

    They simply took the collective knowledge of the world and assembled it into one system and used it to built their "world".

    They stood on the shoulders of Giants, but claim to have reached heights all on their own...

    They claim if they fall no one will ever reach such heights again... Rolling Eyes








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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Regular on Thu May 30, 2013 3:58 am

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    And this maniac Regular is the most intolerant person you could imagine.
    I'm intolerant? Who started supremacist west thing? Nick. And You joined.
    He smears British people as lazy scum, and makes up a load of lies.
    Never said all British are like that, but I can see that it is acceptable in Your society. And what lies? Be more specific, as I can back my words.

    He commends Lithuania for "smashing gays heads in" and many other bizarre things.
    Well gay propaganda is pushed to us by EU what do You expect? France had riot because of gays recently. Try to parade on Moscow streets and You will end up the same.

    And then says Lithuania is better than Britain.
    In some ways, yes. You lost values. Your new generation doesn't have same values as it used to. We are worse economically, but if it's the price for being pussified, political correct country, social experiment, then I rather want it to be even poorer just, better life in khruschovka, then life eating fish and chips take-aways, living in mouldy British bungalow and watching terrible brit tv shows Smile

    If he said that in a lot of British pubs, he'd be sent back to his gypsy patch - in a body bag.
    Haha, 3 years ago we even did worse things than that and nothing happened Smile You make it sound like British pubs are taliban hideouts in fact they are nothing more places full of people that have nothing better to do with their life and are only interested to get blocked and probably go for a buck later on. Nothing fun for me there as I don't drink any more. I have nothing in common with people that find this form of amusement. We call them alhashi anyway.

    Its clear how his kind were supporters of Hitler, and committed appalling crimes against Russia.. and now Britain. ANY and EVERY country can do without his kind. Surely you can see that?
    Lithuania was "raped" by Hitler before WW2. Hitler supporters are either dumb or they hate their own people as Lithuanians would be exterminated later on as we are no better than slavs according to Hitler.

    If the guy had kept his mouth shut and respectful to his hosts, I wouldnt have even bothered speaking.
    Respect starts to fade when host thinks it's superior. It was case here and Nick started spout stuff that had to be countered.

    Still I know few brits in Lithuania, for example Mark Splinter that does criticise Lithuania often and I agree with him. He knows what he speaks and his critics are rather valuable

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Corrosion on Thu May 30, 2013 3:22 pm

    BTRfan wrote:
    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Many important mathematical concepts came from India. Transferred by Persians to Arabs to West later.

    Also, regarding your other comment. Many Russians have mongol features as well. Do you regard them part of Russian Federation or not?


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    Post  BTRfan on Thu May 30, 2013 9:07 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Cuba and the US are not related it is more like a neighbour punishing a neighbour. The US does not and has never paid Cubas bills or assisted it in any way. Before Castro most Cubans had menial jobs and most of the land owners were white foreigners, and most of the money was in casinos controlled by US criminal organisations. If your goal was to be a cabana boy all your life then it was utopia.





    American companies invested tens of billions of dollars in Cuba, built the roads in Cuba, built the railroads, built the refineries, and Castro believed he could nationalize all of that, forcing them to eat a massive loss, and still buy what he needed from the USA.

    Until they return the assets or pay reparations, the embargo should remain.




    If you have a 5,000 acre farm for growing wheat but you have no mill to process the wheat so you contract with me and I end up buying 30 acres of your land and setting up a mill at my own expense, and you immediately turn around and seize the mill once I am done building it, you have to understand we are going to have a major problem.

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    Post  BTRfan on Thu May 30, 2013 9:32 pm

    Corrosion wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Many important mathematical concepts came from India. Transferred by Persians to Arabs to West later.

    Also, regarding your other comment. Many Russians have mongol features as well. Do you regard them part of Russian Federation or not?





    What do you think about the original population of India?


    Do you think the untouchables came up with mathematics in India?



    You do realize Whites used to have civilizations/nations from North Africa into the Steppes and down into northern India, right?


    India began to develop a caste system after dark races were brought in and mixing began. It was a half-hearted attempted by the Whites to maintain their status within their society, but the end result can be seen today. India is a dark mess, but occasionally one will encounter one of the light brown or yellow elites who has blue eyes or green eyes and hair that is almost brown rather than the standard black hair and black eyes.


    The original founding class of the Indian civilization is gone.

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    Post  Corrosion on Thu May 30, 2013 10:36 pm

    BTRfan wrote:Do you think the untouchables came up with mathematics in India?

    Anybody who was out of vedic system was considered untouchable. Technically a “white” person is untouchable. Read Ancient Indian scriptures you will find it out. Google search the word "Mlechha".

    “You do realize Whites used to have civilizations/nations from North Africa into the Steppes and down into northern India, right?”

    “White” is a general term. “White race” is as real as Equator. The fact is there are so many genetic markers found in Europe. They are as diverse as anywhere in the world.

    India began to develop a caste system after dark races were brought in and mixing began. It was a half-hearted attempted by the Whites to maintain their status within their society, but the end result can be seen today. India is a dark mess, but occasionally one will encounter one of the light brown or yellow elites who has blue eyes or green eyes and hair that is almost brown rather than the standard black hair and black eyes.
    Caste System originally was a “Guna”(meaning talent) based system. You need to learn Indian history dude and get off your Neo-Nazi propaganda. India has seen influx of Scythians, Huns, Yavans(Indo-Greeks), Parthians etc. and also Muslim Central Asian Invaders right from 300B.C. upto 1600 A.D. Skin colour varies between various tribes that have settled in India(mainly North India, Pakistan) with various other regions and so do skull features. Mostly you will find different groups have different genetics as well. Race has much to do with genetics and Physical features than Skin colour. In North India you will find some Children having almost blonde hair and the hair turning brown and later into Blackish Brown as they grow up. Most if not all Indians have skin that turns Brown with exposure to Sun. People from Various Higher Castes/Tribes especially In Indian Northern parts have light skin because they don’t work outside under the Sun all the time, but you will see the farmers especially will have darker skin. Sun really shines in India most of the time in a year. There goes your skin colour myth about India.

    The original founding class of the Indian civilization is gone.
    LOL gone to Timbaktoo?....thats non-sense even by Aryan Invasion theory standards, the theory which has been debunked already. There are artifacts present that show continuation of Pre Harrapan Civilisation to Indus Valley Civilisation to Vedic Civilisation and to later periods such as Mauryan and Guptas.

    Most of the Great discoveries(eg. Number system) in India were done in the period during which, according to your theory, founding class was already finished off.


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