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    Re: Russian population

    Post  TR1 on Thu May 30, 2013 10:42 pm

    White people made anything great, get over it.

    M i rite?

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 1:22 am

    Corrosion wrote:
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    To claim "mathematics" came from Arabs is absurd.


    The Greeks pioneered geometry and trigonometry. The Arabs simply took the collective knowledge of the Greek-Roman world assembled at the library of Alexandria as well as the Persian library of Gundashapur and brought it all together in one place. They also compelled thousands of the best minds of the Greek and Roman worlds to work on massive projects for them, although this was common with the Turks, Arabs, and Mongols.

    Many important mathematical concepts came from India. Transferred by Persians to Arabs to West later.

    Also, regarding your other comment. Many Russians have mongol features as well. Do you regard them part of Russian Federation or not?



    For one to be Russian one has to be Slavic, entirely Slavic/Rus.

    Of course it is possible to obtain a Russian passport and have a legal right to live in Russia and work in Russia without being of the Russian/Slavic ethnicity.


    A Turk born in Russia is no more Russian than a German born in Pakistan would be Pakistani.



    Imagine for a moment that the community on Volga Germans was still present in Russia and was thriving... Imagine there were 500,000 families of Volga Germans in Russia [for a total of perhaps 1.5 million Volga Germans], with 200,000 women of child-bearing age... Imagine that each woman would have 12 to 15 children over the next two decades... In 20 years the community of Volga Germans would have increased by around 3 million, representing a substantial minority group. If they were then to begin agitating for German as a national language, they would be unwelcome, wouldn't they? They'd be in Russia but they wouldn't truly be Russian and they never could really be Russian, right? Even still, a few million Germans in the Volga region wouldn't represent an existential threat to Russia... However, 40-50 million Chinese and 20-30 million Muslims spread from the Caucuses to Central Asia/Siberia would represent a major threat.



    In summary, a mixed race person in Russia who is not White/Russia should be afforded the rights and protections provided by the law, assuming he is lawfully residing in Russia, but he should not be accepted as a Russian nor declared to be a Russian because his blood is not Russian.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 1:25 am

    TR1 wrote:

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?


    Take it as a compliment that most intelligent Americans recognize that they cannot discuss certain topics on American forums due to political correctness and the insanity of enforced diversity.

    People go where the freedom is. That you have Americans coming to a Russian forum to discuss topics that are socially unacceptable in most of the USA and that are outright illegal in many Western/NATO nations, is an admission that Russian culture is more tolerant of differing viewpoints and that Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 1:25 am

    It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

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    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 1:30 am

    Regular wrote:It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

    I admire how they managed to keep their dignity in the face of repeated abuses heaped upon them by the British/Rothschild empire.



    That said, I do not approve of their massive presence in the USA.


    Indeed 60% of all small hotels/motels are owned by Indians. They also own many of the gas stations and corner stores.



    Less than 50% of all Technology/Engineering/Science degree graduates are able to get a job in their field in the USA but we are told we need to bring in 180,000 foreigners on H1B visas because "we lack talent for engineering."


    Just as it was wrong for Britain to establish a colony and a commercial empire in India it is wrong for Indians to establish a demographic colony in the USA. The Founding Fathers declared that they were securing a nation for themselves and their posterity.


    I see massive non-white immigration into centuries old White nations as a form of demographic colonization and I detest it along with other forms of colonialism and imperialism.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 1:32 am

    BTRfan wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?


    Take it as a compliment that most intelligent Americans recognize that they cannot discuss certain topics on American forums due to political correctness and the insanity of enforced diversity.

    People go where the freedom is. That you have Americans coming to a Russian forum to discuss topics that are socially unacceptable in most of the USA and that are outright illegal in many Western/NATO nations, is an admission that Russian culture is more tolerant of differing viewpoints and that Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

    Hahah!

    Live in Russia for sometime, then repeat that statement to me.

    Btw- no reputable Russian scientists or intellectual would back up your notions of racism in any case.



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    Re: Russian population

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 1:32 am

    Regular wrote:It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

    Probably because they have no interest in this retarded thread.


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 2:00 am

    For one to be Russian one has to be Slavic, entirely Slavic/Rus.
    Says who? Slavs were mixing with everyone through centuries, like in that stupid saying- scratch a Russian and You will find Tatar.
    There is no 1 clear homogeneous group of Slavs in Russia too.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:05 am

    Only slavs can be Russian huh?

    Then Russia should GTFO out of lands that is conquered that are inhabited by non-slavs, right?

    Nice find Regular, I did not see that gem.
    Racial divisions are pathetic and dangerous.
    Can't believe people still exist whos lives are so empty and insecure they need to reinforce them among racial lines.

    But what would I know? I have no Slavic blood in me after all.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 2:16 am

    TR1 wrote: I have no Slavic blood in me after all.

    Which makes you?


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 2:16 am

    TR1 wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    TR1 wrote:

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?


    Take it as a compliment that most intelligent Americans recognize that they cannot discuss certain topics on American forums due to political correctness and the insanity of enforced diversity.

    People go where the freedom is. That you have Americans coming to a Russian forum to discuss topics that are socially unacceptable in most of the USA and that are outright illegal in many Western/NATO nations, is an admission that Russian culture is more tolerant of differing viewpoints and that Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

    Hahah!

    Live in Russia for sometime, then repeat that statement to me.

    Btw- no reputable Russian scientists or intellectual would back up your notions of racism in any case.





    It seems there are dozens of political parties in Russia and each of them has at least something of a following.

    In the USA there are probably only five political parties which have any appreciable number of voters/followers and of course there are only TWO that have power in Washington DC.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 2:19 am

    TR1 wrote:
    But what would I know? I have no Slavic blood in me after all.
    May I ask You what blood do You have then? Sorry if it's personal
    Funny thing that I don't know what exactly blood I have. I know that my father family is naturalised Belarussians, Polish and Lithuanians. That's what You get living next to the border.
    Mother side is mystery to us. Not sure when they came to Lithuania from Russia. Could be hundred years ago. But they are old believers, starovery.
    Would like to find out more, but Kuzmin surname is very common, so can't trace it.
    Where can I find out more about it, is there a site where You can check records or something or You have to go archives?

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:29 am

    Regular wrote:
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    But what would I know? I have no Slavic blood in me after all.
    May I ask You what blood do You have then? Sorry if it's personal
    Funny thing that I don't know what exactly blood I have. I know that my father family is naturalised Belarussians, Polish and Lithuanians. That's what You get living next to the border.
    Mother side is mystery to us. Not sure when they came to Lithuania from Russia. Could be hundred years ago. But they are old believers, starovery.
    Would like to find out more, but Kuzmin surname is very common, so can't trace it.
    Where can I find out more about it, is there a site where You can check records or something or You have to go archives?

    Not personal at all, blood really means very little to me.
    Half Avar, Half Dargin- now is there any Slav mixed in there over the past several centuries? Who the hell knows. Not that I know off, but it never really interested me.

    I know some people pay a handsome sum of money to trace bloodlines, and it can get pricy if it involves actual genetic testing and such of family trees.

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    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 2:30 am

    Putin has interesting surname, would like to know his genealogy Smile He once said - People who think that Russia is for Russians are... pridurki Very Happy
    I even found video.. I think he sums everything up

    skip to 0:50

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  TR1 on Fri May 31, 2013 2:32 am

    BTRfan wrote:

    It seems there are dozens of political parties in Russia and each of them has at least something of a following.

    In the USA there are probably only five political parties which have any appreciable number of voters/followers and of course there are only TWO that have power in Washington DC.

    Well by that standard in Russia there is only ONE party that has power in Moscow- party of Putin.
    Biggest voting block other than them is Commies, and half their votes are just people not wanting to vote for United Russia. That and Geezers.

    Other than that we have Zhirinovsky the clown, and a bunch of small disorganized liberal and socialist parties that get little of the vote.

    It ain't a pretty picture by any standard.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  GarryB on Fri May 31, 2013 3:06 am

    American companies invested tens of billions of dollars in Cuba, built the roads in Cuba, built the railroads, built the refineries, and Castro believed he could nationalize all of that, forcing them to eat a massive loss, and still buy what he needed from the USA.

    Castro openly went to the US for assistance to free the people of Cuba from the foreign colonialist occupiers... most of which was actually Mob related and therefore hardly legitimate anyway.

    The US rejected them.

    The Soviets were happy to step into that gap and provide assistance... with no other offers Cuba went from nationalist to communist. You could say exactly the same in Vietnam... it was never about communism... it was everything about the Vietnamese first kicking out the French and then the Americans and getting control of their own country... if the Soviets had supported the French and the US had gone in and supported the north then America almost certainly would have come out on the winning side... however long it took... in fact it would have been much quicker as the Soviets would not have been able to support a ground force in south vietnam for very long... if at all.

    Until they return the assets or pay reparations, the embargo should remain.

    How about the US apologises for terrorist actions in Cuba like burning sugar cane fields and supporting an invasion at the Bay of pigs?

    If you have a 5,000 acre farm for growing wheat but you have no mill to process the wheat so you contract with me and I end up buying 30 acres of your land and setting up a mill at my own expense, and you immediately turn around and seize the mill once I am done building it, you have to understand we are going to have a major problem.

    Except when you go into a foreign country and bribe the corrupt government and buy land for 20c an acre and then pay locals 1c a day to work your land so you can sell sugar for a dollar a kilo back home and keep all the profits... it was worse than coffee growers. If the locals didn't like working in the cane fields they could go to the big casinos and bars and sell drinks to rich fat americans enjoying their beaches and their women.

    Yeah... I wonder why they wanted that to change... it is not like it was Castro on his own... it was the majority of the population that asked those rich guys to leave.

    No but seriously, what is it about this forum that attracts so many closet racists?

    People believe what they believe.

    For one to be Russian one has to be Slavic, entirely Slavic/Rus.

    Interesting... and to be American you would have to be a Native American? Or Mexican?


    Of course it is possible to obtain a Russian passport and have a legal right to live in Russia and work in Russia without being of the Russian/Slavic ethnicity.

    So what you are saying is that a Russian passport is a cover to pretend to be slavic?

    A Turk born in Russia is no more Russian than a German born in Pakistan would be Pakistani.

    So what you are saying is the US is a country populated by passport holding Europeans and Asians and Africans and the only real Americans are native americans, mexicans, and natives from central and south america... interesting.

    magine that each woman would have 12 to 15 children over the next two decades...

    If they decided to have 12 to 15 children each in 20 years and they all actually managed to do that I would not want to get in their way... they would be formidable women by any measure! respekt


    In summary, a mixed race person in Russia who is not White/Russia should be afforded the rights and protections provided by the law, assuming he is lawfully residing in Russia, but he should not be accepted as a Russian nor declared to be a Russian because his blood is not Russian.

    Interesting, because the same sort of ideas here in New Zealand suggest the same thing...


    In summary, a person in New Zealand who is not Maori should be afforded the rights and protections provided by the law, assuming he is lawfully residing in New Zealand, but he should not be accepted as a New Zealander nor declared to be a New Zealander because his blood is not Maori.

    The thing is that Russia is made up of hundreds if not thousands of little ethnic groups and they are all already considered Russian... Russia is a Federation remember. Adding a few new groups will not radically change that... as long as the focus is moving forward and getting along... rather than arguing and looking at differences.

    What use would a tool box be if you could only carry one type of hammer and no other tool?

    Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.

    He is actually right there... Embarassed


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

    Which is quick and easy, but doesn't really deal with the issues.

    It only makes me wonder why our Indian members stay quiet Smile IMHO, Indians are cool, and I get along with them pretty good, not like with their "neighbours" Wink I had chance work with are very talented and would never put myself higher then them. One of the calmest people I've met.

    I don't want to speak for them as I have no authority to do so, but I suspect it is a battle they have and will fight all their lives when around white people and they know it is just like arguing politics or religion. A few words are never going to change such fundamentally held beliefs and to be honest anyone who has a chat online in a forum and suddenly realises their beliefs were wrong obviously didn't spend much time thinking about them properly in the first place.

    Art of war... I have never read it but I suspect one of the rules is don't look for battles you can't win.

    I see massive non-white immigration into centuries old White nations as a form of demographic colonization and I detest it along with other forms of colonialism and imperialism.

    Yet by your own beliefs human migration is normal... without white migration north america would be largely empty. Why would it change now.

    You admit your government let almost 200,000 Indian nationals into your country because your country needed their expertise.

    Which makes you?

    Which makes him TR-1.

    It is amusing that your opinion of him is more based on his ethnicity than what he has said, but that is the problem with such views... you miss out on interacting with some really neat people because you can't get over the fact they might not need to spend time in the sun each summer to get a tan. Rolling Eyes

    Personally ethnicity or race is totally unimportant to me... an interesting person is an interesting person... and an Ass is an Ass... whether they are white, or blue, or pink.

    Of course I don't judge people for their views either so I don't hate BTRFan or Nick or anyone here even if I don't agree with them.

    We can disagree on all sorts of things... this is the internet, not the UN... we don't have to sort out the worlds problems here.

    Just keep it civil and treat everyone with respect and there will be no problems.


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    Re: Russian population

    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 3:08 am

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    Not personal at all, blood really means very little to me.
    Half Avar, Half Dargin- now is there any Slav mixed in there over the past several centuries? Who the hell knows. Not that I know off, but it never really interested me.

    I know some people pay a handsome sum of money to trace bloodlines, and it can get pricy if it involves actual genetic testing and such of family trees.

    Interesting. It seems You don't care about your ethnic groups at all.

    For me it means something maybe because it's a some kind identity crisis that I'm experiencing. Not like I want to be special, cause anyway it's more important where I grew up. It's not like I suddenly become other person.

    Rest of my family don't twist their heads about it and even don't care about being old believers as most of us are atheists.

    I have dark characteristics, I'm naturally tanned, very dark hair, I can grow difficult beard in 3 days. Mongolic features runs in mothers side family and that what bothers me. Surname is Russian.

    I would probalby pay some money but with these tests there is always room for mistake, for example that I doubt that anyone could trace neighbour from top floor that came for sugar when that persons father was in komandirovka.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 3:36 am

    TR1 wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:

    It seems there are dozens of political parties in Russia and each of them has at least something of a following.

    In the USA there are probably only five political parties which have any appreciable number of voters/followers and of course there are only TWO that have power in Washington DC.

    Well by that standard in Russia there is only ONE party that has power in Moscow- party of Putin.
    Biggest voting block other than them is Commies, and half their votes are just people not wanting to vote for United Russia. That and Geezers.

    Other than that we have Zhirinovsky the clown, and a bunch of small disorganized liberal and socialist parties that get little of the vote.

    It ain't a pretty picture by any standard.



    A Jew running an ultra-nationalist party for Slavs/Russians is somewhat comical.


    Are there any parties in Russia that value freedom, small government, nationalism, Russia for Russians, yet friendship and trade with other nations?

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    Post  Regular on Fri May 31, 2013 4:15 am

    BTRfan wrote:
    Are there any parties in Russia that value freedom, small government, nationalism, Russia for Russians, yet friendship and trade with other nations?
    Well by idea LDPR of Zhirnovski supposed to be that way. There is no other parties with same values in Duma. Check RPR-PARNAS but not sure about their nationalism. Not a fan of politics, especially Russian. It's one sided game.

    Just bit of topic, My Russian became rusty and I thought that Russian word "CHLEN" only means "DICK". So I was reading about that party and was like WTF, is this a joke or Zhirnovski went totally insane and started to count dicks in his party. Apparently "Член" has more meanings. In this context it's member. Just don't google it the word for christ sake!

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    Post  GarryB on Fri May 31, 2013 6:01 am

    In English technically Dick is a contraction of a persons name (Richard).

    It is also another name for Penis, as is Member, Schlong, one eyed monster, purple helmeted knight, etc etc... there are web pages with very extensive lists.

    The problem with english is that it is different in different places... in the US a fanny is an ass or arse or backside. In Britain a fanny is female genitalia... so in the US you can fall on your fanny or get your fanny whipped or kissed or licked and this obviously has a very different meaning in the rest of the english speaking world... Shocked


    Even in New Zealand a holiday house is called a batch up north and a crib in the south.


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    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 6:04 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Which makes him TR-1.

    It is amusing that your opinion of him is more based on his ethnicity than what he has said, but that is the problem with such views... you miss out on interacting with some really neat people because you can't get over the fact they might not need to spend time in the sun each summer to get a tan. Rolling Eyes

    Personally ethnicity or race is totally unimportant to me... an interesting person is an interesting person... and an Ass is an Ass... whether they are white, or blue, or pink.

    Of course I don't judge people for their views either so I don't hate BTRFan or Nick or anyone here even if I don't agree with them.

    We can disagree on all sorts of things... this is the internet, not the UN... we don't have to sort out the worlds problems here.

    Just keep it civil and treat everyone with respect and there will be no problems.



    Of course he's TR1 and it doesn't change if he is a Tatar or an Avar or whatever he might be... But I do like to know who I am talking with.

    If somebody wanted to know, "are you a German American?" and I got evasive and replied, "why does it matter?" well it obviously mattered enough to them to ask, so they should get an answer.



    Also, your comment about America and "natives."


    Clovis Man was White, they found fossilized remains in the Pacific Northwest, 18,000 years old with red-hair. Asiatics/Indians do not have red hair.


    Also, the United States of America is a nation, a country, it was founded by White settlers. Indians/Natives never had a nation and they didn't even have a concept of private land ownership.

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    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 6:10 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Russian forum moderators are mature adults who can handle people with different beliefs.

    He is actually right there... Embarassed


    The standard way to handle things on any forum operated by Anglo/American moderators is to denounce differing views as "racist" and then ban the forum member.

    Which is quick and easy, but doesn't really deal with the issues.



    On an American forum I frequent I stated my opposition to the illegal drone war in Pakistan, the murder of people with drones in Yemen, and I also questioned Israel's actions in Lebanon and Syria and suggested that Israel is causing instability in the Middle East.

    Immediately several American Jews called me an anti-Semite, one compared me to Hitler, several said I should be banned, and they also suggested I go over to Stormfront.



    That's about the height of discussion/debate one can achieve in an American forum.


    Israel actually employs tens of thousands of college students, army reservists, and pensioners to go onto forums and advance pro-Israeli zionist propaganda.

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    Post  Corrosion on Fri May 31, 2013 8:21 am

    BTRfan wrote:
    Clovis Man was White, they found fossilized remains in the Pacific Northwest, 18,000 years old with red-hair. Asiatics/Indians do not have red hair.
    Can you explain this "White" thing first? So a person with red hair is "White".
    Also, the United States of America is a nation, a country, it was founded by White settlers. Indians/Natives never had a nation and they didn't even have a concept of private land ownership.
    So your theory goes like this. There was a person with red hair 18000 years ago in USA. And since Native Americans had no paperwork to show you, USA was there for the taking.

    Then why are you complaining if a Foreigner comes with a paperwork and settles under US law and buys property legally following Land Ownership concepts of United States of America.

    Please make sense.

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    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 9:12 am

    Corrosion wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    Clovis Man was White, they found fossilized remains in the Pacific Northwest, 18,000 years old with red-hair. Asiatics/Indians do not have red hair.
    Can you explain this "White" thing first? So a person with red hair is "White".
    Also, the United States of America is a nation, a country, it was founded by White settlers. Indians/Natives never had a nation and they didn't even have a concept of private land ownership.
    So your theory goes like this. There was a person with red hair 18000 years ago in USA. And since Native Americans had no paperwork to show you, USA was there for the taking.

    Then why are you complaining if a Foreigner comes with a paperwork and settles under US law and buys property legally following Land Ownership concepts of United States of America.

    Please make sense.



    It was a clash of cultures and we won, I am not sorry that we triumphed.


    The first settlers traded large amounts of trade goods [forget all of that nonsense about "ten dollars in beads" for Manhattan], they traded blankets, metal tools, alcohol, even some firearms, in exchange for land.


    White settlers believed that they were obtaining exclusive ownership and rights to exclusive use of the land that they had just traded away valuable goods for. However, the Indians, having no concept of ownership, let alone exclusive rights, believed that people belong to the land and the land belongs to all, so the Indians continued to use the land as though no exchange had ever taken place. They also didn't believe the settlers/Whites had exclusive rights over the livestock they brought with them from England.

    As you can see, that would be a source for conflict... People [Whites] who have just paid for what they believe is going to be exclusive ownership/rights to specific land, while the people [Indians] who accepted the trade goods for the land, don't believe in the concept of exclusive ownership and don't believe the settlers have exclusive rights to anything.


    It was natural that fighting would result, I am not sorry we won. We paid for the land and had to fight to receive what we paid for.

    It was similar with the Whites and aboriginies in Australia. The Aboriginies never had a concept of exclusive ownership of land.


    For a people to have a concept of exclusive ownership of land they need to have progressed beyond the level of hunter-gatherers and they need to be engaged in more than nomadic hunting of game herds. They need to have villages, towns, even cities, along with permanent/semi-permanent agriculture. It is not surprising that the Africans, American Indians, and Australian aboriginies never had a concept of exclusive ownership of land because they never progressed beyond nomadic hunting-gathering.


    I don't hold their lack of progress, their inferiority, against them, we had a concept of private property ownership, we paid [in some cases handsomely] for the land we wanted, they didn't understand that by giving them stuff we were expecting them to leave us alone on what was to become our own land, and we had to fight them. It was a clash of two ideologies and the White man won. I'm not sorry for being on the winning side.

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    Re: Russian population

    Post  BTRfan on Fri May 31, 2013 9:28 am

    Corrosion wrote:
    BTRfan wrote:
    Clovis Man was White, they found fossilized remains in the Pacific Northwest, 18,000 years old with red-hair. Asiatics/Indians do not have red hair.
    Can you explain this "White" thing first? So a person with red hair is "White".
    Also, the United States of America is a nation, a country, it was founded by White settlers. Indians/Natives never had a nation and they didn't even have a concept of private land ownership.
    So your theory goes like this. There was a person with red hair 18000 years ago in USA. And since Native Americans had no paperwork to show you, USA was there for the taking.

    Then why are you complaining if a Foreigner comes with a paperwork and settles under US law and buys property legally following Land Ownership concepts of United States of America.

    Please make sense.



    This is essentially my view on citizenship, what it means to be a member of the wider volk community of the volk state.


    Mein Kampf page 302-303


    During the last century it was lamentable for those who had to witness it, to notice how in these circles I have just mentioned the word ‘Germanization’ was frivolously played with, though the practice was often well intended. I well remember how in the days of my youth this very term used to give rise to notions which were false to an incredible degree. Even in Pan-German circles one heard the opinion expressed that the Austrian Germans might very well succeed in Germanizing the Austrian Slavs, if only the Government would be ready to co-operate. Those people did not understand that a policy of Germanization can be carried out only as regards human beings.

    What they mostly meant by Germanization was a process of forcing other people to speak the German language. But it is almost inconceivable how such a mistake could be made as to think that a Nigger or a Chinaman will become a German because he has learned the German language and is willing to speak German for the future, and even to cast his vote for a German political party. Our bourgeois nationalists could never clearly see that such a process of Germanization is in reality de-Germanization; for even if all the outstanding and visible differences between the various peoples could be bridged over and finally wiped out by the use of a common language, that would produce a process of bastardization which in this case would not signify Germanization but the annihilation of the German element.

    In the course of history it has happened only too often that a conquering race succeeded by external force in compelling the people whom they subjected to speak the tongue of the conqueror and that after a thousand years their language was spoken by another people and that thus the conqueror finally turned out to be the conquered.

    What makes a people or, to be more correct, a race, is not language but blood. Therefore it would be justifiable to speak of Germanization only if that process could change the blood of the people who would be subjected to it, which is obviously impossible. A change would be possible only by a mixture of blood, but in this case the quality of the superior race would be debased. The final result of such a mixture would be that precisely those qualities would be destroyed which had enabled the conquering race to achieve victory over an inferior people.

    It is especially the cultural creativeness which disappears when a superior race intermixes with an inferior one, even though the resultant mongrel race should excel a thousandfold in speaking the language of the race that once had been superior. For a certain time there will be a conflict between the different mentalities, and it may be that a nation which is in a state of progressive degeneration will at the last moment rally its cultural creative power and once again produce striking examples of that power.

    But these results are due only to the activity of elements that have remained over from the superior race or hybrids of the first crossing in whom the superior blood has remained dominant and seeks to assert itself. But this will never happen with the final descendants of such hybrids. These are always in a state of cultural retrogression.





    This also sums up my view on the state, the relation of the people to the state, and the reason for the very existence of the state-



    MK page 84-85


    After the great war of 1870-71 the House of Habsburg set to work with all its determination to exterminate the dangerous German element - about whose inner feelings and attitude there could be no doubt - slowly but deliberately. I use the word exterminate, because that alone expresses what must have been the final result of the Slavophile policy. Then it was that the fire of rebellion blazed up among the people whose extermination had been decreed. That fire was such as had never been witnessed in modern German history.
    For the first time nationalists and patriots were transformed into rebels.

    Not rebels against the nation or the State as such but rebels against that form of government which they were convinced, would inevitably bring about the ruin of their own people. For the first time in modern history the traditional dynastic patriotism and national love of fatherland and people were in open conflict.

    It was to the merit of the Pan-German movement in Austria during the closing decade of the last century that it pointed out clearly and unequivocally that a State is entitled to demand respect and protection for its authority only when such authority is administered in accordance with the interests of the nation, or at least not in a manner detrimental to those interests.

    The authority of the State can never be an end in itself; for, if that were so, any kind of tyranny would be inviolable and sacred.

    If a government uses the instruments of power in its hands for the purpose of leading a people to ruin, then rebellion is not only the right but also the duty of every individual citizen.

    The question of whether and when such a situation exists cannot be answered by theoretical dissertations but only by the exercise of force, and it is success that decides the issue.

    Every government, even though it may be the worst possible and even though it may have betrayed the nation’s trust in thousands of ways, will claim that its duty is to uphold the authority of the State. Its adversaries, who are fighting for national self-preservation, must use the same weapons which the government uses if they are to prevail against such a rule and secure their own freedom and independence.

    Therefore the conflict will be fought out with ‘legal’ means as long as the power which is to be overthrown uses them; but the insurgents will not hesitate to apply illegal means if the oppressor himself employs them.

    Generally speaking, we must not forget that the highest aim of human existence is not the maintenance of a State of Government but rather the conservation of the race.

    If the race is in danger of being oppressed or even exterminated the question of legality is only of secondary importance. The established power may in such a case employ only those means which are recognized as ‘legal’. yet the instinct of self-preservation on the part of the oppressed will always justify, to the highest degree, the employment of all possible resources.

    Only on the recognition of this principle was it possible for those struggles to be carried through, of which history furnishes magnificent examples in abundance, against foreign bondage or oppression at home.
    Human rights are above the rights of the State. But if a people be defeated in the struggle for its human rights this means that its weight has proved too light in the scale of Destiny to have the luck of being able to endure in this terrestrial world.

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