sepheronx wrote: TR1 wrote:
sepheronx wrote:Out of curiosity, how hard and how expensive would it have been to replace those IR sensors on the T-64's with modern Thermal imager?
Thermals are expensive. Mounting them is comparatively easy.
Seps needed tanks badly apparently. Getting old stored T-64s was rushed enough without trying to modify them with thermals.
The T-72B3s definitely have thermals however, Sosna-U. However those have not been handed over properly to the Seps-they went in (with Russian crews I am sure), fought, then left. We have not seen any pics of them since summer....
BTW: That article that I posted has some errors. For example some T-72s are counted twice when they have been confirmed on LostArmor to be the same.
Some were captured by Ukranians and then destroyed, some were captured then captured back.
Not sure what the hell those tank drivers were doing to get into a position where 1.) Those two burned out T-72s were hit in the wide open and 2.) They had to abandon that barely damaged T-72, that was later captured by the Ukrainians later destroyed.....but I guess they are fighting within a fairly patchy framework, and not with the support of actual full Russian military formations and assets. So fuck ups are expected.
I still think they were given to the seps, no evidence of the troops involved. But still wouldn't make much sense of either or. The T-64's being upgraded with Thermals would have done wonders for the seps, far more than what is currently used. From my understanding, those IR sensors were near useless.
Did you look @ the post fully?
There are photos of people from Russian army units gathered in fields with vehicles that took part in fighting in Donbass. Some have obvious battle damage. And then there are the vkontakte posts by the Russian crews that are all but explicit about what they have been up to lately.
Is some of that stuff fakable or possible not true? Yeah sure, but overall, a picture is shaping up.
If they trained sep crews in Russia (or RUssian volunteers, w/e) then sent them into the fighting, there would be no reason to pull them back after the summer counter strike. But they dissapeared essentially.
I think it makes sense in the context of it being Russian vacationing volunteers. I mean Strelkov and other seps have alluded as much.
Re. thermals, the important counter attacking units (T-72B3s) had em. For most rebels normal T-72 or T-64 works fine. I don't think they do too much intensive night fighting. Thermal is nice, but expensive. All decent Russian thermals use French matrices anyways, I guess it might be hard to randomly amp up orders in the current political climate.
I am guessing for the most important roles (artillery attacks on static Ukranian positions) they might have had forward spotters with thermal equipment.