Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

Choked with baquette.

The direction it entered the body would take a long time to choke someone...  

More likely the bled to death...

India will “resonate the voice of the Global South” at a conference on the Ukraine conflict hosted by Switzerland next month, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has said during an interview with the PTI news agency.  

Commenting on the planned Swiss gathering and a G7 meeting in Italy also scheduled for mid-June, Modi said India “will be participating in all important summits that promote the agenda of global peace, security and development.”

The goal of the Swiss is to get a large "global south" country to come along and listen to that shit and then pressure Russia to agree to what ever they decide with no input from Russia at all.

By cooperating, India is trying to sit on two seats, which always leads to ending up on your arse on the ground because the west tends to pull its seat away when it realises you are not going to give up the other seat that suits you better.


BTW Lots of useless posts and related posts are going to be moved to the talking bollocks thread.

To be clear, nothing has been deleted and you can continue your discussion there, though I would warn you that personal attacks are meaningless and will just lead to responses in kind. When I get complaints about personal abuse and I check and find both parties abused each other... I honestly don't care who did it first.

Yeah, I am unsure what India is doing other than trying to pretend to be someone important in all of this.  To which they are not.  The amount India economically provides to Russia is so slim that I am certain Iran will end up replacing India.

That said, India is free to do what it pleases.  They will go, listen and give their input and then India will be made fun of by nearly every side afterwards.  That is up to them.  Even Brazil is only sending some junior over to it.

The problem is with India, it tries to act important to which it isn't. I am sorry to Indians who wish they were, but no one respects the country. The west makes fun of it rather regularly (always reminding them they don't have toilets when they send something to space, or their rather abysmal number of people living below poverty line), or its backwards industry for most part that relies on imports of high tech to end up being mostly just mass amounts of cheap labor doing the job.

The west doesn't respect India, but it will always strive to try and get the respect. It will fail. Russia showed respect to India but India always tries hard to seek it from the west. Indians like to mention how Russia worked with Pakistan but Russia only gave a few basic things to Pakistan while the west they aspire to gain support from, provided everything to Pakistan to hurt India. Indians sometimes mention it, but rarely do they. Instead they concentrate on rather random small deals Russia does. Its like Armenia really.

All India will get out of this is heartache and peoples disdain. On both sides.

When I talk of Iran vs India for Russia, I'm talking trade with Russia, not Indias trade with the world. If you look, russias overall trade with India is rather small.

Indias attempt of being middle man doesn't work anymore. That is from a bygone era.

Yes, the hilarious thing is that the EU has just changed how Russian energy arrives... it used to go direct and be rather cheap compared with world prices... now they get it via third parties who make money off the Europeans.... India and China doing to Europe what Europe has been doing to Russia and many other countries for centuries when ever they could...

Zelensky thinks this thing in Switzerland will be a one sided show of him outlining his wish list to the already brainwashed (west) and also to the rest of the world in the hopes that they will then end the conference by going to Russia and spelling out Zelenskys wish list verbatum.

The problem is that dictating terms to an enemy normally requires that enemy to be beaten on the battlefield and have no alternative.

The concept of BRICS is non interference... China and India can say they want the conflict solved peacefully and with diplomacy all they want... they are not going to inflict sanctions or exert pressure to force Russia to do anything at all... and it works both ways... Russia will offer advice to China or India but it wont issue them as international commands like the west does, and they also won impose any force to compel them to conform.

China and India have enormous and rich histories, and are to be respected, but at the same time everyone wants to give friends advice that might help them out with their problems if they are not dealing with them very well.

China and India understand the conflict in Ukraine is not about Ukraine and it really is an open conflict with the west and her HATO proxy... so they will talk about peace but they wont have a tantrum if Putin refuses to surrender and withdraw as Zelensky will demand.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Long as there is a buck to be made, there will be corruption.

Wonder what took them so long to catch him tho

Corruption always involves more than one person. The first rule of corruption is to protect the racket. My guess is that he has long been suspected but finding the evidence took time

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Long as there is a buck to be made, there will be corruption.

Wonder what took them so long to catch him tho

Maybe you live in the west and aren't aware of how real investigations work but compiling evidence of corruption always takes time since there's usually multiple people involved. After all, what evidence did the US ever present to the UN about Bin Laden or the Taliban being the 9/11 masterminds other than naming him as the main suspect over and over again in the news until soft, pliable American brains accepted it as gospel?

$17B trade between India and Russia, especially when its really only oil, is not much. I am talking of end goods that Indians buy.

Instead, India will buy mostly from the west. Rafale (expensive, way beyond its actual usefulness), Helicopters, and so on. On average goods stuff, a lot of it comes from China, their so called enemy next to Pakistan.

I have investments in India. I have personal experience and work in India. I have assets there. I work closely within their society. I can say that the peoples hearts are in the right place and so are their minds. But their entire elite around Modi (not necessarily his allies) are all western centric people. Their kids are in the west, their investments are in the west and they themselves may have everything in the west and is only in India for its political position. Heck, the NRI's (Non Resident Indians) in the west play a huge roll in every day affairs of India and money sent back is as much if not more than the entire oil trade with Russia and EU.

India unfortunately cant do much and wont do much and will continue to be Europe's and US' asset. They are rich on paper and it is mostly because of the massive population. But majority of them are rather poor. The ones you hear that own everything and are mega rich, those are lots of them there but in overall population, they are less than 1% but with such massive number of population, thats still a lot of them. And those ones rule all, and most of them have assets in UK, US, Canada and Australia.

Anyway, I will just state that Russia needs to keep India at arm length. Don't get too comfortable around them. Simply sell what you can and seek other investments from them but do not, politically, do not get too close to them. This kinda goes for China too.

When I say Iran can be a bigger trade partner, I wasn't lying. Iran's economy and industry is ripe for development and investments and most steer clear because of sanctions. But since Russia is also sanctioned equally, Russian industries can work hand in hand with Iranian. They can easily sell military gear and even civilian gear to Iran and vice versa. The work between the two can be significantly more than 17B investment. India's economy is rather closed to Russia.