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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:02 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Dude, I know you build literal castles with 1 foot thick walls, but the 125 mm high explosive shell is an angry fist of god:



    That's 9MJ of kinetic energy pummeling the wall, before the 5kg of TNT equivalent does its job.

    The thing is the amount of concrete in a so called "commie block"

    Those buildings have tons of concrete and are supported in almost every part of the building

    Look at any donbass battle, and T-Series are opting for cumulative AT loads of 125mm to penetrate the building before switching to HE once the concrete has been penetrated

    The problem with that is once a hole is put into the building, you have to put more in to expose the foundation, which creates advantages for defenders, namely spider holes to shoot ATGM and sniper fire from

    Not only that but the amount of ammo expended from a tank to take down these buildings is insane

    So the FAB is the main ticket to just knocking the fucker down

    The key is not to expend FAB liberally, I mean if you can then by all means

    But the key is to take down the buildings which provide flanking fire positions for enemy defenders

    And therefor isolating the remaining defenders in a lower height building, while friendly guys can fire at the isolated defense from enfilade positions in taller buildings,

    That was the staple of Avdeevka it seems, as the tactics of Mariupol and Bakhmut have become nearly refined and perfected

    I'm sure Chasov Yar will be Assault 3.0 because we have nearly perfected urban assault tactics now

    I think what is useful will be PBK-500U Drel bombs

    Although they are expensive, they could be key to opting for Accuracy in taking down select buildings, instead of expending FAB on leveling the entire apartment blocks

    Anyway, the experimentation has led to what we see, speed and aggression in a focused channel, in this case the railway junction and then the auto dealer

    They focused the assault in one narrow sector, and FAB cleared their path for them

    Anyway give credit where credit is due, 115th spetsnaz are Wagner guys

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:17 pm

    Again no, as that is not a translation as such, it is an official news release authored for release in English.
    Who the f... cares? dunno

    to focus reserves
    What reserves?  scratch
    The cauldron around Avdeevka was created for enemy reserves to be send in.
    FABs and TOS are waiting for them.  Twisted Evil

    It is like LEGO, only structures are much bigger.
    Saw a documentary about one of the new generation buildings being constructed in Moscow.
    Parts are being glued together with concrete.
    Wall segment after wall segment.
    Then the ceiling segments and on to the next floor.
    15 floors or so were build in 30 days.
    In Winter.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:28 pm

    You need some small ordnance to break the glass . Then you need incendiary rounds to set fire to soft furnishings . The smoke will dive out the angry Bees . QED .



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    Post  PhSt Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:54 pm

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    There are intense efforts by NATzO to sour relations between Russia and India, Im sure these munitions have been sourced from third countries and delivered to Ukraine to make an impression that India is supplying weapons to NATzO occupied Ukraine.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:59 pm

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2024/02/11/7441398/

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    Post  mnztr Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:23 am

    nomadski wrote:You need some small ordnance to break the glass . Then you need incendiary rounds to set fire to soft furnishings . The smoke will dive out the angry Bees . QED .




    I've see ships start more elegantly then that POS lol.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:16 am

    PhSt wrote:There are intense efforts by NATzO to sour relations between Russia and India, Im sure these munitions have been sourced from third countries and delivered to Ukraine to make an impression that India is supplying weapons to NATzO occupied Ukraine.
    The US is sending to Ukraine some Indian ammunition that the US bought supposedly for its own use.
    https://military.news/unveiling-the-global-chessboard-indian-munitions-surface-in-ukrainian-conflict/

    India shouldn't be selling any ammo to these NATO suckers.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:01 am

    this is the beginning of the end: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/11/ukraine-may-have-deployed-one-its-best-brigades-to-try-to-save-avdiivka/?sh=167014cd5e95

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:22 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Cel0BMDHA
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    Post  lancelot Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:25 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:this is the beginning of the end
    Steiner counter attack?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:32 am

    I doubt they will be able to stage any attack worthy of the name.
    Btw, NK threats r aimed at SK, to stop its supply of shells to US Ukraine, so soon they won't be return fire at all.

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:09 am

    US chose to back Neo Nazi regime in Ukraine

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:11 am

    PhSt wrote:There are intense efforts by NATzO to sour relations between Russia and India, Im sure these munitions have been sourced from third countries and delivered to Ukraine to make an impression that India is supplying weapons to NATzO occupied Ukraine.
    I had already provided evidence a few days ago that munition sold by India to NATO member states were exported by them to Ukraine.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:22 am

    Sujoy wrote:I had already provided evidence a few days ago that munition sold by India to NATO member states were exported by them to Ukraine.
    Even if it wasn't sent directly to Ukraine, it would still be used by the US to replenish their own stocks. So they would be able to send more of their other ammo to Ukraine anyway.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:29 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    The thing is the amount of concrete in a so called "commie block"
    Those buildings have tons of concrete and are supported in almost every part of the building

    Not only commie.
    Nazi Reich used was widely known for monumental buildings.
    The brightest example would be Flaktuermen - giant bunkers designed as antiaircraft artillery locations and shelters.
    They have built those in Berlin, Hamburg and Vienna.
    When the Soviets stormed Berlin, they were forced to bypass those, as even B-4 203mm howitzers were able to scratch the surface only Laughing
    When a decision to blow it up was made in Dec45, it took the Soviets a year to prepare the detonation of the one located at Tiergarten. Finally, they have used 30 (thirty) tonnes of explosives to tear it down.
    Still, they were much more effective there rather than the French. When they tried to blow up the one located at their occupational zone, managed only partially Laughing

    I remember that a few years ago, Georgians were dismantling some Soviet era monument. The only way to do so was explosives. They had to put as much of those there, that when detonated, it demolished a nearby architecture as well, killing some residents.
    It is crazy stuff, and hard to imagine if someone has not witnessed that.

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:41 am

    Tests of rheumatological drugs for large Western pharmaceutical companies with the assistance of Ukrainian officials have been conducted for several years on patients of the psychiatric department of the hospital in Mariupol. The documents are at the disposal of RIA Novosti.

    Among the experimental patients were children, including infants under the age of 1 year. According to the documents, the drug was administered to children under the age of 11.
    https://t.me/rian_ru/231169

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    Post  Scorpius Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:32 am

    FSB officers raided the offices of the Federal Air Transport Agency in Moscow and St. Petersburg after information appeared about the illegal export of 59 aircraft abroad. Some of the aircraft were later involved in a special operation against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This became known to the Izvestia newspaper.

    According to the source of the publication, Mi-8 helicopters and Il-76 aircraft fell into the hands of unfriendly countries, which moved with their beacons turned off. The documents seized on February 7 made it possible to confirm the illegality of the actions of some employees of the Federal Air Transport Agency.

    Two criminal cases have been opened on the fact of the incident. Recently dismissed employees Pyotr Kozyrev and Kristina Byvalina were in the field of special attention of the FSB.
    https://iz.ru/1648413/stanislav-fedorov-iuliia-leonova/mi-ne-vinovaty-v-rosaviatcii-proshli-obyski-iz-za-vyvoza-za-rubezh-59-bortov

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    Post  PhSt Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:26 am

    Scorpius wrote:
    FSB officers raided the offices of the Federal Air Transport Agency in Moscow and St. Petersburg after information appeared about the illegal export of 59 aircraft abroad. Some of the aircraft were later involved in a special operation against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. This became known to the Izvestia newspaper.

    According to the source of the publication, Mi-8 helicopters and Il-76 aircraft fell into the hands of unfriendly countries, which moved with their beacons turned off. The documents seized on February 7 made it possible to confirm the illegality of the actions of some employees of the Federal Air Transport Agency.

    Two criminal cases have been opened on the fact of the incident. Recently dismissed employees Pyotr Kozyrev and Kristina Byvalina were in the field of special attention of the FSB.
    https://iz.ru/1648413/stanislav-fedorov-iuliia-leonova/mi-ne-vinovaty-v-rosaviatcii-proshli-obyski-iz-za-vyvoza-za-rubezh-59-bortov

    This is quite a serious offense by the traitors involved. Russia needs to set the minimum sentence for these kinds of atrocities to no less than 50 years in prison. IMO taking away more than half of a criminal's potential lifespan is a good deterrent to make them think twice before committing traitorous crimes against Russia.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:54 am


    Are they buying back their donated equipment? Are they buying back scrap?

    They are placing an order.

    They donated some launchers and fire control centres to the Ukraine.

    They ordered replacements for those launchers and control centres, but now they are talking about adding on an extra order for 10 further launchers and four extra fire control centres to add to that order for replacement new units.

    In other words say they had 20 launch units and 8 fire control centres and they decided to donate to Kiev 8 of the oldest launchers they had and 3 of the oldest fire control centres (or the ones that weren't working and the maker would not take them back), then they would have had an order for 8 new launch units and 3 fire control centres.

    This article says they are going to change the order to 18 launch units and 7 fire control centres (10 more launchers and four more fire control centres).

    Therefore no need for close quarter fighting by Russian troops ,

    You could nuke it 20 times you would still need to send in troops to make sure it is clear...

    if the Orcs pour troops without fire support into a town , to " capture , " it or claim a hollow victory ( possession of a skeleton or empty destroyed shell of a town ) .

    When they run out of towns to hide in they will be left out in the open and horribly vulnerable so I can't see them leaving the towns unless they have no choice.

    All these towns will be rubble when this is over and will need UXO clearance and then to be completely rebuilt... but they are in regions that are likely already joined to the RF or likely to join so they will be rebuilt.

    India shouldn't be selling any ammo to these NATO suckers.

    They could have had it for decades.

    This should actually sour relations between India and the US because essentially the US is abusing Indias neutrality in this Ukrainian conflict.

    I hope it makes India rethink other agreements it has with the US... especially the US plan to use Indians as cannon fodder in a war with China that the US wants to start as soon as they can.

    Even if it wasn't sent directly to Ukraine, it would still be used by the US to replenish their own stocks. So they would be able to send more of their other ammo to Ukraine anyway.

    There is no evidence these are recent production, plus military sales are bound by very strict agreements that restrict the use of the equipment and ammo to what it was intended for, which is why Russia is not happy with Equador selling old Russian stuff to the US to send to the Ukraine. A breach of contract.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:05 am

    A whole of Ecuador's stock can be placed in a gym.
    Mi-8 including.
    The whole thing has only propaganda meaning and I would call it a sign of pure desperation.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:12 pm

    Relaxing without responsibility. On a country walk with the wife Very Happy

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:15 pm

    What do we make of this?

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    The military analytical resource Deep State stated that the Russian Armed Forces have created a 30-kilometer-long train in the Donbass. Its creation began in the summer of 2023.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:26 pm

    US MLRS arrives back in the US

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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:30 pm

    this is the beginning of the end:
    Every time an important city is about to be liberated, the western MSM comes up wit the same lame BS.
    A few month ago they send their best brigades to defend Avdeevka against the russian attack.
    Now they send "one of their" best brigades to unlock the cauldron.
    In two weeks they will send their absolut best brigades to develop a new defence line west of the city.
    Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
    Remember that they also send their best brigades to the defence of Bakhmut.
    Wonder what happened to them?
    Wink

    Finally, they have used 30 (thirty) tonnes of explosives to tear it down.
    That´s why some of them are still there.

    What do we make of this?
    Resolution is too bad.
    Could be anything.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:25 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Watching the interview, halfway through.
    So I guess we can consider that official.
    Putin was persuaded to withdraw the army from Kiev under the pressure of France and Germany.
    Both argued that a peace deal being brokered in Istanbul would look bad if considered from the perspective of holding a gun at Kiev's head.
    Putin would never say that, addressing directly Edyp and Leberwurst, not having hard proofs on hand.
    And he did that multiple times in the interview, suggesting Tucker confront his words by asking his counterparts back home.

    Putin is the head of the Russian state and cannot talk too bluntly, besides the whole operation is conditioned by the need of generating a case which conforms at least under certain interpretation to international law. The fact is that the whole point of the attack on Kiev was to force the ukr leadership to the negotiation table, so giving up on it made no sense apart from directing the conflict into the war to the last ukrainian that the West predictably would pursue and that would allow Russia to bring a permanent solution to their problem with 404. But this time, with a clear blame on the Western side, once Russia made the"good will" movement only to be stabbed again in the back. When the whole conflict is put in perspective in the future to reach a legally binding settlement, it needs to be crystal clear to any external observer, that Russia only escalated when forced by their opponents and after many diplomatic attempts, only that will create international recognition for eventual new borders an/or the dissolution of 404.

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