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    Post  Hole Sat Feb 10, 2024 4:45 pm

    everyone gets resurrected.
    Some people even multiple times.  lol1

    Real time waypoints are fed into the missile all the time.
    In the vincinity of russian jammers?
    I doubt that. In that enviroment the missile has to rely on pre-programmed waypoints.
    And her inertial navigation system, because GPS will also be jammed.

    That pedophile with Alzheimer's is the main person responsible for the evil in the world
    Listen to what Putin said. Biden is not in charge. He is just the pretty ( lol1) face of the deep state.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:21 pm

    Belisarius wrote:


    WTF was that at :38? An entire massive warehouse goes up from a single strike.
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    Post  thegopnik Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:39 am

    Ukrainians abusing more mentally disabled people on the battlefield https://uploads.kiwifarms.st/data/video/5699/5699589-1b5d6df07a43bcf73df14610f06d1298.mp4

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:46 am

    They don't belong there, being a burden, & may cause more casualties on their own side.

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    Post  TMA1 Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:17 am

    It isnt even the point that they are burdens to those poor soldiers. They are to be protected and cared for. Someone better find the demon who allowed this poor disabled guy to be used and abused this way. It is not funny. It is not good. **** Ukrainians. I hope Russia and protect these guys. The way you treat the defenseless is the way you treat everyone. Fucking demons.

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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:39 am



    When I first looked at Ukraine ethnic map , it reminded me of a lava lamp . Two liquids that don't mix  , globules drifting . The level of mixing or homogeneity is different in different countries . The more economically developed towns or nations , having a homogeneous structure , strong national identity , instead of tribal or ethnic identity . In Syria , there were or are villages that are Sunni and others that are not . A recipe for disaster , like so many other places in the world . War is inevitable in such societies .

    But once war breaks out , then what to do , when different populations are overrun by opposing armies ? The population votes with it's feet , they choose safety and seek shelter . They do this if they are able or free to travel . But what if they are not free to travel ? Like those civilians under siege in Gaza , or those civilians in Ukraine , not allowed to leave , and kept as a shelter for military ops ?

    Under such conditions , then there are two possibilities : The first is an encirclement of a settlement , weakening the defences and drawing their forces to the edge of the settlement and away from the centre and civilian hostages . Followed by a frontal assault and house to house fighting in urban areas . The second is a frontal assault without an encirclement .

    If supplies and troop movements into settlements can be intercepted by drones or planes or artillery  , then no need for infantry to surround the town , in classical siege . Then a frontal assault will save the number of troops used . Otherwise a siege is needed . In large cities with big reserves of food and fuel and hiding places and proportionately larger forces , then siege is mostly needed .
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    Post  jhelb Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:11 am

    Hole wrote:In the vincinity of russian jammers?
    I doubt that. In that enviroment the missile has to rely on pre-programmed waypoints.
    And her inertial navigation system, because GPS will also be jammed.
    Su-57's share information with each other in a environment where plenty of jammers are active.
    Missiles do the same. They are designed to resist jamming. Though it is not 100% effective. Even then they get windows to get waypoint updates.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 11, 2024 5:04 am

    Rather the presence of the Russian S-400 forced the Storm Shadow to change direction and head towards another target that's not defended. Real time waypoints are fed into the missile all the time.

    If that missile had any idea it was flying over a signficant SAM battery it would have forgotten its programmed target and tried to destroy the SAM battery as a much more valuable target.

    Interestingly Russian cruise missiles and Iskander missiles have jammers and decoys which means they also have basic sensors to detect SAM sites and avoid flying over them and potentially getting shot down. They will have their target coordinates and use their onboard sensors to detect enemy radar to avoid being detected by flying around such energy signatures. When they detect ARH radar signals like from an AMRAAM they will manouver and release decoys and jammers to evade those as well, but they are not mapping the location of all these systems and would not be able to then change targets and attack nearby defences and neither does storm shadow.

    Overflying such a thing was coincidence.

    If they knew that SAM battery was there they would have never flown anywhere near it. Electronics vehicles that are part of the SAM battery probably listened to the Storm Shadows and listened for altitude keeping emissions and any signals it might be sending or receiving.

    was given as civilian " hostages . " If so I understand why a frontal assault may be needed in difficult house to house fighting .

    A frontal assault that is room to room combat is not going to reduce civilian casualties, but it will increase Russian soldier casualties.

    But why not encircle town first and cut military supplies ? The area around town is open and no visible defensive trenches ! So this favours armour against infantry ? Will all towns be cleared in this way ? I am sure there must be good reason , but I don't know why .

    With the new guy they have in charge that their own soldiers call the butcher because he follows orders for frontal attacks without artillery and air support, then it is not likely there will be any need for a lot of sieges because they will run out of men and the entire Orc front is likely to collapse soon enough.

    Su-57's share information with each other in a environment where plenty of jammers are active.

    Storm Shadows are launched at specific targets and would never receive inflight target updates because an enemy tuning in could repeat the command with nonsense coordinates and the missile would hit nothing.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:43 am

    I posted about this before, but the official announcement contains a strange phrase "repurchasing equipment already donated" Shocked

    Are they buying back their donated equipment? Are they buying back scrap?

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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:25 am

    @ JohninMK

    The way the sentence works , is that :  New equipment is being provided , as well as an equal amount to previously donated equipment .

    @ GarryB

    What you described works if town contested is devoid of civilians . Therefore no need for close quarter fighting by Russian troops , if the Orcs pour troops without fire support into a town ,  to " capture , " it or claim a hollow victory ( possession of a skeleton or empty destroyed shell of a town ) . A symbolic victory for them at best , but a real loss in manpower .

    Neutral

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:16 am



    NATzO "reporting" on Ukraine is nothing more than NAFO masturbation.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:28 am

    nomadski wrote:@ JohninMK

    The way the sentence works , is that :  New equipment is being provided , as well as an equal amount to previously donated equipment .


    Sorry but that's wrong. It is two sentences. Also there is a pretty key word "repurchased".

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    Post  kvs Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:49 am

    I take the last sentence as meaning to purchase new amounts of the same type of equipment already donated to Ukria. So it is a
    resupply reference and not a take back reference. It does not sound that awkward to me in terms of English, but it must be a
    translation of a Norwegian document.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:23 am

    kvs wrote:I take the last sentence as meaning to purchase new amounts of the same type of equipment already donated to Ukria.   So it is a
    resupply reference and not a take back reference.    It does not sound that awkward to me in terms of English, but it must be a
    translation of a Norwegian document.


    Again no, as that is not a translation as such, it is an official news release authored for release in English.

    If 'resupply, they would have said what it was.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:20 pm

    Looks like Russia has commenced a general offensive along the defense line

    This will prohibit Syrsky from being able to focus reserves and send them to Avdeevka

    We have Russian troops fighting in Novomikhailovka

    We have Russian troops fighting in Bogdanovka

    We have Russian troops fighting in Sinkovka

    These three advances are important, the first to sever the Marinka-Ugledar road

    The second to facilitate assault on Chasov Yar

    The third to provide flanking position and fire over Kupyansk

    Overall guys are advancing by hundreds of meters across the lines, going through the most robust defenses

    The gamechanger is FAB, as those "commie block" apartments around donetsk were built by the USSR to resist nuclear blasts

    You can watch videos of how 125mm, LMUR, Kornet, all kinds of artillery fails to collapse these concrete buildings, but leaves them full of holes for defenders

    So instead FAB is used, and FAB is indeed doing the job of leveling these well engineered and strong concrete buildings

    This allows the guys to push forward without getting bogged down clearing buildings

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:24 pm

    Hey NAFO, who is having the beach party now?
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:19 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    The gamechanger is FAB, as those "commie block" apartments around donetsk were built by the USSR to resist nuclear blasts

    You can watch videos of how 125mm, LMUR, Kornet, all kinds of artillery fails to collapse these concrete buildings,  but leaves them full of holes for defenders

    So instead FAB is used, and FAB is indeed doing the job of leveling these well engineered and strong concrete buildings

    This allows the guys to push forward without getting bogged down clearing buildings
    Most reinforced structures can be demolished with a tank's loadout of high explosive shells aimed at the support columns. A tank has to get dangerously close and exposed to pull off those shots however so a glide bomb risking virtually nothing will always be a no-brainer.

    That said its not like the Russians can just abuse their FABs all the time. The villages and towns that are being fought on right now are almost devoid of civilians from 2 years of nonstop high intensity combat so the RuAF can let loose. That won't be the case as the Russians push further and further into Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:33 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Most reinforced structures can be demolished with a tank's loadout of high explosive shells aimed at the support columns. A tank has to get dangerously close and exposed to pull off those shots however so a glide bomb risking virtually nothing will always be a no-brainer.

    No bro, it ain't work this way.
    I guess you have never experienced an industrial preconstructed architecture?
    Those buildings are made of concrete squares made of steel-reinforced carcass.
    There are no supportive columns. It is like LEGO, only structures are much bigger.

    Check this out :

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    Each wall is one piece of reinforced concrete.

    In all of those, there is an even more reinforced elevator shaft just in the middle, but it is not a skeleton of a building, just an additional reinforcement that ends up with a shelter on the minus2 level. Those are not basements, but minus1 to the basement, with multiple emergency exits in all directions/sections.

    All of those have been designed by specialized institutes, with a settled resistance in mind from the beginning.
    In SU they had several different modular systems.
    Same for GDR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary.
    In Romania, the scale of this architecture made with Causecsu rule was simply mindblowing - they were building a whole districts as one modular building, 20 floors up. I will check if I have any photo from my trips to Romania welcome

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:19 pm

    In fairness I was thinking more low-rise to mid-rise panel apartments with maybe dozens of panels per floor, not high-rise monsters with hundreds of panels per floor. The former is definitely doable given that a single impact of 125mm high explosive shell would knock a man-sized hole in the wall - which is the primary reason why MBTs still feature heavily in a urban warfare despite the many disadvantages of using them.

    A multi-story monster of a panel building like that would have hundreds of panels per floor so it will definitely take some time.

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:39 pm

    Hate to ask, but does anyone have the russian/ukrainian territory map with updates link? I will make sure to save it on my favorites tab next time because it sounds like constant advancements.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:46 pm

    lyle6 wrote:In fairness I was thinking more low-rise to mid-rise panel apartments with maybe dozens of panels per floor, not high-rise monsters with hundreds of panels per floor. The former is definitely doable given that a single impact of 125mm high explosive shell would knock a man-sized hole in the wall - which is the primary reason why MBTs still feature heavily in a urban warfare despite the many disadvantages of using them.

    A multi-story monster of a panel building like that would have hundreds of panels per floor so it will definitely take some time.

    We don't build this way in Europe.
    You can pierce multiple holes in that panel, and nothing will happen.
    It will still keep tight, as it is being reinforced with steel bars carcass, 12mm diameter each.
    8mm for upper floors Laughing
    I guess I know where the issue is - nobody constructed this way.
    We did.

    Check this :

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    It is a two-floor single-family house.

    It has been made with this system :

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    Check this technical chart :

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:53 pm

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-using-starlink-terminals-in-occupied-ukraine-ukraine-intel-2024-2

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:38 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    We don't build this way in Europe.
    You can pierce multiple holes in that panel, and nothing will happen.
    It will still keep tight, as it is being reinforced with steel bars carcass, 12mm diameter each.
    8mm for upper floors Laughing
    I guess I know where the issue is - nobody constructed this way.
    We did.
    Dude, I know you build literal castles with 1 foot thick walls, but the 125 mm high explosive shell is an angry fist of god:



    That's 9MJ of kinetic energy pummeling the wall, before the 5kg of TNT equivalent does its job.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:31 pm

    https://asiatimes.com/2024/02/zaluzhny-out-oleksandr-syrsky-in-to-what-purpose/
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 11, 2024 4:58 pm

    lyle6 wrote:

    That's 9MJ of kinetic energy pummeling the wall, before the 5kg of TNT equivalent does its job.

    Hardly.
    Take a look at historical photos of Grozny.
    It took them a hell of money to demolish those Laughing after the war.

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