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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:25 am

    JohninMK wrote:Is the coke plant outside the Russian controlled area?

    EDIT Answered by Kiko below

    I wonder if Zelenssky was disappointed when he visted the coke plant and found out it made a different type of coke then he prefers.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:54 am

    Syrsky issues his final command in the Battle of Avdeeka

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    BTW sorry Ukroscum but unlike the troops of old Dennie II, the Rohirrim and the oath-breakers of Dunharrow aren't coming to your rescue  Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:56 am

    The coke plant has fallen russia

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:04 am

    Lawrence of Arabia had the right idea. The civilians of Donetsk cry out for revenge against those those have subjected them to murderous shelling over the best part of a DECADE. Twisted Evil

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:16 am

    JohninMK wrote:.....

    But maybe for not much longer

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    E tu, Julian? cry




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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 18, 2024 2:27 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Coke plant has fallen.   russia

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:04 am

    What?  My coke plant has fallen???  But I'm down to my last few dime-bags....     cry

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:09 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:What?  My coke plant has fallen???  But I'm down to my last few dime-bags....     cry

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    This one's for you Z man:

    https://youtu.be/uhFF_NhaUIU?si=kqqgPKgjVNyNjAYf

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    Post  Krepost Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:34 am

    Nyash-Myash Avdeevka nash.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:48 am

    I still can't follow why Russia doesn't enter via Belarus and try to control the Western Banderastani borders.

    I think the obvious reason would be an attack via Belarus would enable Kiev to launch drone attacks and terror attacks on Belarus which is probably not as strong as Russia with more potential public dissent regarding this conflict.

    Trying to control the western borders would mean sending hundreds of thousands of troops into hostile territory where the locals hate you and want to help any guerilla activity against you.... the enemy can dress as civilians so any successful attempt to stop an attack would be a war crime because once they drop their weapons they are civilians.

    NOTE: had read somewhere else that an announcement was made yesterday saying banana shipments could resume... so this could be called battle of the bananas!

    The Russians are reasonable people, if Ecuador is prepared to prevent material ending up in a war zone contributing to death and destruction then of course Russian officials can work with Ecuadorian companies to ensure their banana shipments are safe for import and sale in Russia. I would think Russia might offer to buy those bits of scrap back and perhaps offer some other items they could use in their place if that is what they were after.

    Makes you wonder whether a banana ban 5 years ago could have saved Assange... but Assange is not Russias problem.


    Will it? they have 150K troops in Belarus I beleve

    Most likely to secure Belarus from terrorist attack...


    You can't get much more "banana republic" then that.

    No doubt the US threatened and bullied them, and now Russia has done the same... wonder what the US is going to do to them for this "betrayal".

    People are getting lazy and not trimming conversations when they post. Keep it up and that quote button will be disabled again.
    It is not hard to work out the perpetrators... a conversation Mnztr posted included posts by Franco and himself and Argentinaguard... now the post by Franco was the first but the other two names appear in that conversation twice...


    I wonder if Zelenssky was disappointed when he visted the coke plant and found out it made a different type of coke then he prefers.

    Or all the coke was removed and they were left with dirt and coal...

    I saw video footage of troops on vehicles driving out earlier on and while none of them spoke one guy had an american flag on his helmet...

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:02 am

    JohninMK wrote:The long walk, crying out for some straffing

    It is old material, John.
    I saw it months ago.
    Not connected to Avdeevka.

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    It's weekend. Anal Julian needs his weekly dose of anal fisting.

    And fr a dessert, a pic worth thousand words regarding yesterday matter.

    E'voila, an average Ukro supersoldier.



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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:39 am

    This ex army Swede knows his stuff.

    Disciple cracked, they had only one way to get control back (preserve Azov) as they will really need their blocking forces now.

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    ANALYSIS FALL OF AVDIIVKA, EVENING FEB 17 2024
    The fall of Avdiivka came faster than many, including myself, thought possible. Especially the fall of Khimik/9 Kvarter and the Chemical/Coke plant was a surprise. I had thought that UkrAF would try to keep the way of retreat out of Avdiivka, through Khimik, open for a week and try to hold on to the line Coke plant-Lastochkyne-Severne as long as possible, but it didn't happen.

    The reason is very simple. UkrAF gave the order to immediately evacuate the entire city. Even though many Ukrainian soldiers thereby was abandoned. Those soldiers were told to surrender to save their lives. We don't know exactly numbers, but somewhere 500-2000 Ukrainian soldiers were abandoned and lost when fighting ended.

    I understand the rationale behind this decision, even if its a sign of the desperation of UkrAF. But the abandonment of the Coke plant is an enigma to me. They needed the factory as a linchpin in their defence. Without the factory there will be a large hole in the Ukrainian defenceline. That nullifies much of the positive effects UkrAF got from the hasty abandonment of Avdiivka.

    UkrAF relied on the Coke factory and has only limited defences  behind it. This gives RuAF a good opportunity to continue their offensive behind the factory and also tear up Ukrainian defences to the North from behind. It's hard to say when Ukrainian forces will be able to stabilise the frontline, at least temporarily, but RuAF will probably be able to establish a buffer zone in 1-2 weeks that totally eliminate the remaining salient (map 2). That's 15-20 km North to South and around 10 km in depth.

    Why did UkrAF abandon the coke plant? They must have known about the consequences, since they are professionals. Probably due to a lack of fighting spirit in the troops locally and  the fear that 4000 more Ukrainian soldiers would be encircled and ultimately lost.

    When we look at the bigger picture we must also answer the question of why UkrAF withdraw and abandoned not only Avdiivka, but probably the entire Avdiivka salient? It can't have been an easy decision since Ukrainian forces have defended this area steadfastly for 10 years and it was considered one of the best fortified positions in the world.

    The answer must be that UkrAF realised that the forces defending Avdiivka and the salient wasn't enough, but that they couldn't send any more reinforcements. They took the wise decision to retreat and save as many soldiers as possible for the continued defence of the Donetsk (former Avdiivka) front. The Ukrainians are battered but are still able to put up a decent fight at that frontline.

    Why couldn't Ukraine send more units to Avdiivka? They have already thinned the troops at several other frontlines to a dangerously low level and they can't continue doing that. The strategic reserves are very limited. The 3rd Assault (Azov) brigade came from that strategic reserve.

    There is now a growing expectation for an all out offensive from the Russian side, all along the different frontlines. The meager reserves Ukraine has, must be husbanded well for such an eventuality. There is already a strong Russian push at the Kreminna, Bakhmut and South Donetsk fronts.

    Large Russian forces are amassed at the Belgorod, Kupyansk and Zaporizhia fronts. All in all at least 150 000, maybe even 200 000, soldiers with lot of equipment. An activation of these frontlines would press Ukrainian defence forces to the uttermost. No wonder Ukraine must make territorial sacrifices to keep as many units combat worthy for the coming storm.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:03 am

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:06 am

    Good luck digging trenches in frozen ground that is melting to slimy mud on top when every mechanical digger is a prime drone target,

    The Armed Forces of Ukraine are carrying out excavation work at full speed on a new defensive line outside Avdeevka

    Military correspondent Alexander Kots writes.

    “They are actively digging along the ridge from Ocheretino to Umansky and further to Karlovka. Therefore, the current attempts to resist in the Lastochkino and Orlovka area are rather intended to gain time. And then to roll back to prepared lines at the heights,” the journalist explains.

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    In Ukraine they proposed to mobilize prisoners and arm them with shovels

    ▪“We don’t want, or we can’t, or it’s risky to give a machine gun - let’s give a shovel,” said the head of the Ministry of Justice of Ukraine Denis Malyuska.
    ▪According to him, now it is possible to “calmly send at least 50 thousand people with a criminal record to the front.”

    http://t.me/RVvoenkor

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    Post  nomadski Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:38 am

    JohninMK wrote:The Armed Forces of Ukraine are carrying out excavation work at full speed on a new defensive line outside Avdeevka

    Military correspondent Alexander Kots writes.

    I am not even military , but by the looks of , if your map and plan of new " trenches , " is correct , then the Ukrs under the leadership of General Circusky are doomed !


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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:18 pm

    I have seen a 30y/o from 404 with no teeth.
    You see a lot of them in the US.

    but it is wrecking their economy.
    lol1 lol1 lol1

     Kamala Harris is convinced 
    She is convinced to be an intelligent woman.  lol1

    This one's for you Z man:
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    try to hold on to the line Coke plant-Lastochkyne-Severne as long as possible,
    Why they didn´t give it a try?
    FAB-1500 glide bombs, baby.

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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:21 pm

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    russia

    Russians claim blue on blue
    Red on Red. Old Russian tradition.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Feb 18, 2024 1:54 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Shows you that Banderaland is a failed state.
    As Supreme C-in-C the President has the right to fire anyone in the military, no matter if
    those Generals like it or not.

    In the same way the constitutional court (or equivalent court) should have the right to start an impeachment process and initiate charges against the president (commander in chief) for misconduct.

    I do not like Zaluzhny, but Zelenski has shown many times that he does not have any interest in the wellbeing of his citizens and he is only a foreign puppet.

    Furthermore,  at least those generals had to follow a certain training and education...while Zelenski is only a comedian.

    The problem with some military leaders is that they have not the full picture with other political or strategic impact of some military choices (like as many people were criticizing the russian MOD for their slow progresses) in favour of the statements of some local commanders.

    But the only strategy followed by the Ukrainian commander in chief is to please his foreign masters, whatever the cost in lives.

    Anyway, sometimes I do not understand why public officials are allowed to run for important offices without any requirements except being of the required age and being a citizen... and this is something completely wrong in many modern states.

    At least in Roman times (republic and early empire) there was the cursus honorum. One person could not run for consul (let say the equivalent of head of state or head of government) without having proven himself in other important positions.

    Furthermore, prior to entering political life and the cursus honorum, a young man of the required rank was expected to serve around ten years of military duty.The years of service were intended to be mandatory in order to qualify for political office.

    https://www.livius.org/articles/concept/cursus-honorum/

    This typical career was called the cursus honorum, the 'sequence of offices'. When one was elected consul, he had already shown what kind of man he was in several branches of government activity (the army, accounting, care for the temples and Games, justice); in other words, the Roman magistrates were not specialists but generalists.

    Furthermore only a senator could be assigned as a legatus, i.e. the general in charge of a legion (and second in command to the military governor (i.e. consul/ proconsul/propraetor)).

    One interesting issue with this is that during the Punic wars at one point they had to invite a lot of people from the plebeian ranks (of course rich plebeians...) to the senate, because a large percentage of the senators died in the wars against Carthage.

    Can you imagine if people from the Ukrainian Rada or from the US parliament would have to risk their lives and fight together with the men that they sent to the frontline?

    Note the problem started later in the Roman empire when senators and people from their families were then completely excluded from military service.

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    Post  Ispan Sun Feb 18, 2024 3:09 pm

    My take on Avdeyevka, I was unimpressed the Swedish guy posted above, but not bad for a a Westoid

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2024/02/18/fin-de-la-batalla-de-avdeyevka-resultados/

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    Post  medo Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:07 pm

    Considering quick collapse of Ukrainian army in Avdeevka and that in Avdeevka were at least two most elite ukrainian brigades, 110th motorized brigade and 3rd storm brigade of Azov, who were eqipped with the best NATO armament and equipment, there is a good question, how much of that NATO equipment and armament Russian army captured there. Those ukies, who succede to escape were mostly on foot, so they could not take much of it with them.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:24 pm

    A few days ago they showed a corridor stuffed with Javelins containers all walls long.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:29 pm

    850 Ukrainian personnel lost their lives or were captured during the escape attempt on February 16 before the order to withdraw from the city. The fighting continued until January 17, with an additional 1,500 personnel losing their lives. Today, more than 800 personnel are trapped within the city.

    The amount of lives lost from January to February 17 is unknown.

    @Slavyangrad

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This ex army Swede knows his stuff.

    Disciple cracked, they had only one way to get control back (preserve Azov) as they will really need their blocking forces now.

    Mikael Valtersson
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    ANALYSIS FALL OF AVDIIVKA, EVENING FEB 17 2024
    The fall of Avdiivka came faster than many, including myself, thought possible. Especially the fall of Khimik/9 Kvarter and the Chemical/Coke plant was a surprise. I had thought that UkrAF would try to keep the way of retreat out of Avdiivka, through Khimik, open for a week and try to hold on to the line Coke plant-Lastochkyne-Severne as long as possible, but it didn't happen.

    The reason is very simple. UkrAF gave the order to immediately evacuate the entire city. Even though many Ukrainian soldiers thereby was abandoned. Those soldiers were told to surrender to save their lives. We don't know exactly numbers, but somewhere 500-2000 Ukrainian soldiers were abandoned and lost when fighting ended.

    I understand the rationale behind this decision, even if its a sign of the desperation of UkrAF. But the abandonment of the Coke plant is an enigma to me. They needed the factory as a linchpin in their defence. Without the factory there will be a large hole in the Ukrainian defenceline. That nullifies much of the positive effects UkrAF got from the hasty abandonment of Avdiivka.

    UkrAF relied on the Coke factory and has only limited defences  behind it. This gives RuAF a good opportunity to continue their offensive behind the factory and also tear up Ukrainian defences to the North from behind. It's hard to say when Ukrainian forces will be able to stabilise the frontline, at least temporarily, but RuAF will probably be able to establish a buffer zone in 1-2 weeks that totally eliminate the remaining salient (map 2). That's 15-20 km North to South and around 10 km in depth.

    Why did UkrAF abandon the coke plant? They must have known about the consequences, since they are professionals. Probably due to a lack of fighting spirit in the troops locally and  the fear that 4000 more Ukrainian soldiers would be encircled and ultimately lost.

    When we look at the bigger picture we must also answer the question of why UkrAF withdraw and abandoned not only Avdiivka, but probably the entire Avdiivka salient? It can't have been an easy decision since Ukrainian forces have defended this area steadfastly for 10 years and it was considered one of the best fortified positions in the world.

    The answer must be that UkrAF realised that the forces defending Avdiivka and the salient wasn't enough, but that they couldn't send any more reinforcements. They took the wise decision to retreat and save as many soldiers as possible for the continued defence of the Donetsk (former Avdiivka) front. The Ukrainians are battered but are still able to put up a decent fight at that frontline.

    Why couldn't Ukraine send more units to Avdiivka? They have already thinned the troops at several other frontlines to a dangerously low level and they can't continue doing that. The strategic reserves are very limited. The 3rd Assault (Azov) brigade came from that strategic reserve.

    There is now a growing expectation for an all out offensive from the Russian side, all along the different frontlines. The meager reserves Ukraine has, must be husbanded well for such an eventuality. There is already a strong Russian push at the Kreminna, Bakhmut and South Donetsk fronts.

    Large Russian forces are amassed at the Belgorod, Kupyansk and Zaporizhia fronts. All in all at least 150 000, maybe even 200 000, soldiers with lot of equipment. An activation of these frontlines would press Ukrainian defence forces to the uttermost. No wonder Ukraine must make territorial sacrifices to keep as many units combat worthy for the coming storm.

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    It's tragicomic to surrender or die in a Coca Cola plant.

    I think that Russia's thermobaric bombs were key in the surrender.
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    Post  Hole Sun Feb 18, 2024 4:57 pm

    It's tragicomic to surrender or die in a Coca Cola plant.
    Coke = a solid carbonaceous residue derived from the destructive distillation of coal.
    Mostly used in furnaces to smelt iron ore.


    The collapse of Avdeevka freed roughly 50.000 russian soldiers for further attacks along
    the sector. The VKS is already bombing the next six or seven villages in the area.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Feb 18, 2024 5:22 pm

    Avdiivka Koksokhim will not become the second Azovstal for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, by Rafael Fakhrutdinov for VZGLYAD. 02.18.2024.

    The liberation of Avdeevka Koksokhim will give the Russian Armed Forces an advantage for the offensive.

    Russian troops liberated Avdeevka in the DPR, but Azov militants (recognized as a terrorist organization and banned in the Russian Federation) still remain in the basements of the Avdeevka Koksohim plant. Now assault teams are clearing the area. Why are the Ukrainian Armed Forces trying to grab hold of Koksokhim and can we expect a repeat of the situation with Azovstal?

    Russian military groups “Center” completely liberated Avdeevka (DPR) and advanced to a depth of 8.6 km. The area of ​​the liberated territory is 31.75 square meters. km, and the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over the past 24 hours are more than 1.5 thousand soldiers, the Russian Ministry of Defense reported in its Telegram channel.

    Department representative Igor Konashenkov said that the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Alexander Syrsky, ordered the Ukrainian troops to retreat from Avdiivka after the start of their uncontrolled flight. Only isolated isolated formations of Ukrainian militants managed to hastily leave the city. At the same time, they had to abandon their weapons and military equipment.

    Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in the Kremlin reported to Head of State Vladimir Putin about the complete taking of the city under control. Putin congratulated the Russian military.

    At the same time, the offensive actions of the Russian Armed Forces in the Avdeevka area continue , Ukrainian troops are not allowed to gain a foothold on new lines. Advisor to the head of the DPR, Igor Kimakovsky, said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have transferred air defense systems here, including the American Patriot. Ukrainian troops continue to hastily form a defense line several kilometers from the city.

    Meanwhile, the Russian military will have to clear out the Avdeevka coke plant, where Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers are hiding in the basements, TASS quotes Kimakovsky as saying. “The armed formations of Ukraine, taught by the Mariupol events, do not offer much resistance, but prefer to surrender and leave the territory of the plant alive,” he said.

    The Telegram channel “Welders” indicates that there are a large number of Ukrainian military personnel in Avdeevka who were unable to break through the encirclement and retreat. They create pockets of resistance, including at Koksokhim.

    “I think the cleanup will take a couple more days, and then we can start smoking out the APU from all the basements. But analogies with Mariupol are not appropriate here. Firstly, Koksokhim is much smaller in territory than Azovstal. There is a much smaller group of Ukrainian Armed Forces - about two hundred people. This is not several thousand, like at Azovstal. And there are no hostages or civilians there,” explained military expert Mikhail Onufrienko.

    “Besides, our task is not to surround Koksokhim and hammer at the remaining fighters there for two months, incurring unnecessary losses. It would be more appropriate to withdraw advanced units from dangerous areas and use glide bombs in certain areas of the plant. And for those who can break through and retreat, drones can work. Especially,

    “We are unlikely now to strive to capture the Azovites so that they, as defenders of Azovstal, do not get to the front again through Turkey,” the interlocutor noted.

    “Koksokhim” is very important for us, it is a natural shelter, it is a height. There you can install various technical devices, ranging from communication antennas to long-range vision cameras. At a minimum, this will give us certain advantages in order to develop the offensive further,” military expert Fedor Gromov detailed.

    “Shooting out the Wehrmacht from there will be the usual assault actions - given that they do not have any artillery support. The point is that the Ukrainian combat contingent at Koksokhim is no longer the same as at Azovstal, both in terms of qualifications and motivation. Two years of defeats were not in vain for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, so I don’t expect any particularly massive resistance there,” he emphasized.

    “It is important that the Ukrainian Armed Forces no longer have another technically equipped and large-scale defensive line as in Avdievka. Of course, somewhere along the route of the Russian forces, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will try to dig in and gain a foothold, but I don’t expect anything radical,” the interlocutor said.

    “Where will Russian troops go next? I think to the west, towards Pokrovsk, because in the immediate vicinity of Donetsk, Ukraine controls another city - Krasnohorivka. Thus, the movement of the Russian Armed Forces towards Pokrovsk provides us with a flank. And squeezing Ukrainian forces out of Krasnohorivka reduces shelling of Donetsk and allows Russia to use the city as a full-fledged logistics hub, including a railway one,” the military correspondent concluded.

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