Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

Interesting note: although I’m aware Mediazona’s confirmed Russian loss counter isn’t totally accurate, but going by their numbers Russia has been incurring very few casualties over the last 3 months compared to most of the conflict.
https://t.me/VampireSix/360

mnztr wrote:

yes it worked with Germany and Japan in WWII. They created a massive fuel shortage. Why do you think Japan sent the Yamato, a 80K ton battleship on a suicide mission with half tanks?

Germany and Japan never had enough fuel to begin with, Allied attacks only exacerbated problems that already existed due to lack of resources in the axis countries.

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1697629151027499257

It is totally unrealistic.
I don't know a single Ukrainian male who returned in the last 18 months.
And not a single who even considers that.
Most of them are already well established here, with jobs, places to live, and plans for the future.
Some have already settled locally based own businesses.
Oh sure, Zhenia, gardner, will surely close his business here and will go back to get killed. He dreams about that every single moment.
Bogdan who is a paver and can earn 1000 euros in two days can't wait for the opportunity to be a Leopard driver either. Not sure what his girlfriend has to say about that, as she is pregnant and can't get stressed
Siergiey who drives for DHL has a wet dreams about driving the same VAN over the minefields.
And all the guys who left the Banderastan after 2014 have nothing better to do rather to get back and get killed for Bandera

GUR published videos of attack on Pskov airport. It was done by DRG that launched simple quadrocopters with underbelly explosives.
These attacks as ones done by FPV drones can be successfully foiled by building a simple metal wire fence barrier around planes.

https://t.me/rybar/51408?single

caveat emptor wrote:GUR published videos of attack on Pskov airport. It was done by DRG that launched simple quadrocopters with underbelly explosives.
These attacks as ones done by FPV drones can be successfully foiled by building a simple metal wire fence barrier around planes.
https://t.me/rybar/51408?single

Which only presents how the mouth full of shit on some TG Russkie channels operate.
And how we all should STFU until things get clear rather than running like a madman with a torch in his arse.

Rammstein airbase has a very nice parking next to a cinema, some 500m straight line from the shelters and maybe 1500m from a runway. A good place to put a few dozen of drones, while you control them from the cinema roof that gives a great panoramic perspective over all the base.

Yeah, a "24/7 working TOR" would make a difference, surely

kvs wrote:

mnztr wrote:

kvs wrote:Exactly, Russia is trying to minimize civilian losses and misery.   Taking out the Ukr electrical grid is not going to change much at the
front.   They would have to bomb every road and seed vast tracts of territory with mines to shut off Ukr munitions flows.   Has anyone
ever heard of a full shut-off of logistics tactic being applied in major wars?   More arm chair general "planning".

yes it worked with Germany and Japan in WWII. They created a massive fuel shortage. Why do you think Japan sent the Yamato, a 80K ton battleship on a suicide mission with half tanks?

BS.  Germany was bombed by the western allies round the clock but kept operating and it was losses on the eastern front that eventually caused its collapse.  

You have not provided an example.   Every single road between Germany and the eastern front was not obliterated and the logistics kept operating right until the end.

Lack of fuel made it harder and harder to operate and made them less effective militarily. The plan for the battle of the bulge was to capture fuel to keep the offensive going. When that failed it collapsed. Also the lack of fuel hugely reduced their air defense, they could only launch when the allies were close and could do little CAP. and it was a big element in the Japanese defeat as well. So while its true you can keep fighting with sticks, if your enemy has tanks and fuel its not gonna work out well.

Belisarius wrote:
Interesting note: although I’m aware Mediazona’s confirmed Russian loss counter isn’t totally accurate, but going by their numbers Russia has been incurring very few casualties over the last 3 months compared to most of the conflict.
https://t.me/VampireSix/360

And note how high it was at the height of the battle for Bakhmut too

And yet there are those who insist on Russia launching a blitzkrieg all along the entire front and to assault every major city. Because no, Russia simply can't tolerate the sort of casualties they've suffered in August and sit around in exceptionally-built fortification lines for much longer, the Ukrainian will to commit hare-kari will outlast them

caveat emptor wrote:GUR published videos of attack on Pskov airport. It was done by DRG that launched simple quadrocopters with underbelly explosives.
These attacks as ones done by FPV drones can be successfully foiled by building a simple metal wire fence barrier around planes.

https://t.me/rybar/51408?single

Whats a DRG?

mnztr wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:GUR published videos of attack on Pskov airport. It was done by DRG that launched simple quadrocopters with underbelly explosives.
These attacks as ones done by FPV drones can be successfully foiled by building a simple metal wire fence barrier around planes.

https://t.me/rybar/51408?single

Whats a DRG?

Diversionary Recon Group?

mr_hd wrote:Actually there are plenty of information that Ukraine now has established some kind of military production like ammunition's in almost any town across the country. I am talking about thousand of sites.
They are doing the same for UAVs, there are reports that sometime they are using small makeshift buildings in the middle of small villages too - in order to spread and diversify supply and make it impossible that production is suppressed by long range attacks.

They are starting to produce they own howitzer too.

There are more then enough signs that they are increasing own production of various equipment.

Well nice to know that the Ukraine has to resort to cottage industries home workshops to produce what the West had earlier promised yet failed to supply it in sufficient quantities

However this sort of initiative is hopeless for supplying an actual army. An insurgency or partisan movement can be supplied by it, but not tanks, artillery, aircraft and so on in large formations.
Smaller production sites are always going to lose out. The highest outputs with the most efficient production processes and the highest amount of output per worker you can always get at these giant factories and industrial basins Russia and other advanced economies have. Ukraine had such until recently too. As you start going down the scale though and spread things out you'll lose efficiency, you'll lose organized production lines, automation, large-scale machinery, and concentrated expertise. Economies of scale - can't get around it.

And for strategic programs they built underground facilities - weapons like missiles that are strategic for them would not be built in any normal building that can be easily bombed.

Well as strategic you can get with a hand blowtorch and 220v welding set I guess. And by underground facilities I assume they mean the basement. Anything serious has long become Kinzhal fodder or will do as soon as they're discovered.

Having own weapons make sense since they do not fall under any Wester restrictions. Additionally Russian weapons are perfectly built to match and neutralize western ones. So bringing new models that are hybrid is actually sometimes more effective then to have very expensive and sophisticated western models that are expensive and complex to operate and nightmare for maintenance and not effective at the end.

Whatever the Ukraine can come up with in some garage workshops is not going to be 'hybrid' or 'more effective' or somehow outmatch russkie weapons that according to you are only designed against NATO equipment.. no, it's just going to be a deathtrap. The end. The Ukraine had 'indigenous' weapons production. Stuff like the T-64, T-84, Kozak, BTR-4, and a whole bunch of modernization packages for Soviet models. Some of it was pretty good. Some was lacking. But the production capacity for all of it has long been taken out, and what Uncle Mikola and his buddy Ihor can weld together in some deserted hall of the Nikolayev shipyards that the Russians haven't even bothered to blow up is not going to be any sort of substitute.

mnztr wrote:

Whats a DRG?

Diversionno-razviedatielnaya grupa.
A special forces diversion&recon unit DELTA/SEALS style.

ALAMO wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:GUR published videos of attack on Pskov airport. It was done by DRG that launched simple quadrocopters with underbelly explosives.
These attacks as ones done by FPV drones can be successfully foiled by building a simple metal wire fence barrier around planes.
https://t.me/rybar/51408?single

Yeah, a "24/7 working TOR" would make a difference, surely

Khmeimim Air Base has been regularly attacked by drones since 2016. Over the months and years, these became increasingly perfidious, smaller and better managed. Those aren't cameleers driving those drones. The Russian Air Force Command said very clearly: Pantsir is not able to intercept these small commercial hobby drones but TORM2 almost 100%.

You are not new to the forum and should be familiar with the reports and statements as well as the attacks there. The development in Ukraine arose in the exact line of these experiences of the USA through its IS terrorists! The same attack pattern, the same drones just completely different profiles.

Russia to Allocate $20.7Bln for Development of New Regions in Coming Years - Putin, 09.01.2023.

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - The Russian authorities will allocate almost 2 trillion rubles ($20.7 billion) in the coming years for the development of Russia's new regions, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday.

"In the coming 2.5 years, I think, I it is planned to allocate almost 2 trillion rubles from federal sources alone for the development of these territories [Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions] — 1.9 trillion rubles. This is decent money," Putin stated at a meeting with students.

The money is to be spent in accordance with the government's program for the socioeconomic development of Russia's new regions, adopted on April 27. The first stage, according to the president, is to bring the four new regions up to all-Russian levels in terms of social issues, including medical care, education and infrastructure development.

"These are ordinary things, but they are very important for people — they are utilities, road maintenance, restoration of higher education, cultural monuments, industry and agricultural facilities," Putin emphasized, listing the sectors that require attention.

The government's programme is already being implemented. For example, the Russian government's Territorial Development Fund will repair more than 3,600 infrastructure facilities in Russia's new regions, according to the fund's statement released on Wednesday.

The fund plans to carry out 1,633 restoration works, including reconstruction of 1,145 residential buildings, 227 social facilities, 173 utilities, 41 transport infrastructure facilities and 47 other projects are to be completed in the four new Russian regions by the end of 2023, the statement read.

In late September 2022, Putin and the heads of the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, as well as the Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, signed agreements on the accession of these territories to Russia, following referendums that showed an overwhelming majority of the local population being supportive of this idea.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20230901/russia-to-allocate-207bln-for-development-of-new-regions-in-coming-years---putin-1113060784.html

Belisarius wrote:

mnztr wrote:

yes it worked with Germany and Japan in WWII. They created a massive fuel shortage. Why do you think Japan sent the Yamato, a 80K ton battleship on a suicide mission with half tanks?

Germany and Japan never had enough fuel to begin with, Allied attacks only exacerbated problems that already existed due to lack of resources in the axis countries.

Well of course, the whole war with Japan started over an oil embargo. Conversely power of the USA can be traced directly to the fact that they had a lot of oil and were the first to successfully exploit it. In an all out war with Europe, if Russia can stop oil shipments to Europe (and I think they can) they are fucked. the USA will have to ship the oil, while Russia has the oil all in a nice safe place they can defend with powerful air defense assets. That said drones to alter the equation and I look forward to a defense against them.

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
Khmeimim Air Base has been regularly attacked by drones since 2016. Over the months and years, these became increasingly perfidious, smaller and better managed. Those aren't cameleers driving those drones. The Russian Air Force Command said very clearly: Pantsir is not able to intercept these small commercial hobby drones but TORM2 almost 100%.

You are not new to the forum and should be familiar with the reports and statements as well as the attacks there. The development in Ukraine arose in the exact line of these experiences of the USA through its IS terrorists! The same attack pattern, the same drones just completely different profiles.

Sure you are right, yet missing two issues.
Who and how is supporting them, and who operates there.
In the case of Russia, you have an environment that was infiltrated heavily before the war even started. Ukrainian refugees account for several mln people there, and Russia is not Murica. They won't put the entire population into concentration camps, as US did with the Japanese.
Banderastani sabotage groups can use a wide array of support, which is totally different to Syria. Those are well trained, well equipped, well motivated and deeply devoted operators. The same level that Russian special forces can provide. They will succeed occasionally. That is the reality.

Every major drone attack is being heavily assisted by the NATO recon and support. That night one more attempt to attack Kerch Bridge was prevented, and multiple semisubmersible drones were taken out. There were FOUR different NATO recon aircraft over the black sea at that moment, plus some in Poland and Romania. Since Bolton, there has been no major attack on Russian assets in Syria assisted by the NATO recon tools. The last one was carried with Bolton in charge, and made with different drones, from a longer distance giving Russkie time to search&destroy them. They have taken down 12 drones indeed.

Russia is to cut oil to Europe ? So they are exporting enough somewhere else . What if some ME country export to Europe or Kazakhstan do it ? Will Russia be annoyed ? What to do ? What is fair ? Oil exporters should agree and not take the share of Russia , to traditional market . If problems exist because of war . If they do , then they participate in war , and Russia can be justifiably annoyed . Water resources are subject to international law , I think . Everyone should make efforts for a fair share , to stop environmental degradation on particular region , in favour of other regions.

Russia can observe and dictate what passes through Ukraine borders . Special and small vehicles with open top , can be used by Ukraine , to transport civil goods , as opposed to military or heavy military . If they refuse , then large and heavy transports that are covered up , are legitimate targets , even on dirt Roads or fields .

Simple nets near Airfield will stop many a drone at low altitude . Then AD has less to do , and has to cover the sky above planes . The taller and closer these nets , the better . Electricity pylons , already manufactured and in stock , cheap , can be erected quickly around planes .

mnztr wrote:

kvs wrote:Exactly, Russia is trying to minimize civilian losses and misery.   Taking out the Ukr electrical grid is not going to change much at the
front.   They would have to bomb every road and seed vast tracts of territory with mines to shut off Ukr munitions flows.   Has anyone
ever heard of a full shut-off of logistics tactic being applied in major wars?   More arm chair general "planning".

yes it worked with Germany and Japan in WWII. They created a massive fuel shortage. Why do you think Japan sent the Yamato, a 80K ton battleship on a suicide mission with half tanks?

While yes anyone saying destroying Ukraines infrastructure wouldn't do anything are complete morons who are just trying to kiss ass, and I would never take such responses seriously, what kind moron do you have to be to claim this.

Japan isn't the best example to employ here, even before WW2 they had fuel issues, they could not produce enough oil for their fleet. This is why they invaded British held areas, to get the fuel needed to supply their forces and needs.

Prior to US embargoing them, Japan got most of it's oil from US. Once they lost the British held rich oil areas and without us they no longer had the fuel to sustain themselves.

Japan is a small island with no natural resources, even back then they had to mostly import all of their needs, this is why they invaded China etc.

Yama class was also 70k, and by that point in the war the Japanese had been pushed out all their resource rich conquered areas, and their navy was destroyed. Without their carriers, Yamamto was useless, to big and a ship like that needed lots of air cover, so they did the only real thing they could do with her, try to beach her and use her guns as shore defense

ALAMO wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:
Khmeimim Air Base has been regularly attacked by drones since 2016. Over the months and years, these became increasingly perfidious, smaller and better managed. Those aren't cameleers driving those drones. The Russian Air Force Command said very clearly: Pantsir is not able to intercept these small commercial hobby drones but TORM2 almost 100%.

You are not new to the forum and should be familiar with the reports and statements as well as the attacks there. The development in Ukraine arose in the exact line of these experiences of the USA through its IS terrorists! The same attack pattern, the same drones just completely different profiles.

Sure you are right, yet missing two issues.
Who and how is supporting them, and who operates there.
In the case of Russia, you have an environment that was infiltrated heavily before the war even started. Ukrainian refugees account for several mln people there, and Russia is not Murica. They won't put the entire population into concentration camps, as US did with the Japanese.
Banderastani sabotage groups can use a wide array of support, which is totally different to Syria. Those are well trained, well equipped, well motivated and deeply devoted operators. The same level that Russian special forces can provide. They will succeed occasionally. That is the reality.

Every major drone attack is being heavily assisted by the NATO recon and support. That night one more attempt to attack Kerch Bridge was prevented, and multiple semisubmersible drones were taken out. There were FOUR different NATO recon aircraft over the black sea at that moment, plus some in Poland and Romania. Since Bolton, there has been no major attack on Russian assets in Syria assisted by the NATO recon tools. The last one was carried with Bolton in charge, and made with different drones, from a longer distance giving Russkie time to search&destroy them. They have taken down 12 drones indeed.

correct me if i'm wrong but Aren't S-500s capable of downing satellites, Russia should down the US satellites on the grounds of them being used to help Ukraine

GarryB wrote:

Japan is a small island with no natural resources, even back then they had to mostly import all of their needs, this is why they invaded China etc.

What a shock... US and UK.... western sanctions started the war in the Pacific and claims of Imperial Japan being a colonial power like the UK really was are BS.

The British empire is the most evil Empire in history, killing over 250 million and it's the British Empire America wishes to emulate, the death rate is climbing fast and the number of wars the US has started caused is getting close

[quote="GarryB"]

Japan is a small island with no natural resources, even back then they had to mostly import all of their needs, this is why they invaded China etc.

What a shock... US and UK.... western sanctions started the war in the Pacific and claims of Imperial Japan being a colonial power like the UK really was are BS.

[quote]

What a fing joke of a comment go learn history we did not embargo them UNTIL AFTER THEY INVADED CHINA.

So Japan invaded and got the response we warned they would get, but its our fault lol.

I know you are anti US but that remark was so awful and shows you will act like a child and try to turn any remark into an anti US one, grow up.

Japan wanted to conquer territory well then it had to deal with the repercussions of doing it and to sit there and defend them, they would have cut your head off and played ball with it and laughed

ALAMO wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/LogKa11/status/1697629151027499257

It is totally unrealistic.
I don't know a single Ukrainian male who returned in the last 18 months.
And not a single who even considers that.
Most of them are already well established here, with jobs, places to live, and plans for the future.
Some have already settled locally based own businesses.
Oh sure, Zhenia, gardner, will surely close his business here and will go back to get killed. He dreams about that every single moment.
Bogdan who is a paver and can earn 1000 euros in two days can't wait for the opportunity to be a Leopard driver either. Not sure what his girlfriend has to say about that, as she is pregnant and can't get stressed
Siergiey who drives for DHL has a wet dreams about driving the same VAN over the minefields.
And all the guys who left the Banderastan after 2014 have nothing better to do rather to get back and get killed for Bandera

They are not returning because they are ready to openly take over Poland, or at least a part of it.

They are planning for Ukraine to be "compensated" with Polish land.

You are facilitating it.


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714



Them staying in Poland is absolutely nothing to smile about.

GarryB wrote:

Japan is a small island with no natural resources, even back then they had to mostly import all of their needs, this is why they invaded China etc.

What a shock... US and UK.... western sanctions started the war in the Pacific and claims of Imperial Japan being a colonial power like the UK really was are BS.

What the ****, Garry? There's no need to whitewash Japan's action in WW2. Japan annexed Manchuria in 1931 and invaded China in 1937. At the great cost in human lives and suffering of population. While respecting Western powers territorial claims throughout Asia.
War started only after oil embargo in 1941.