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    Post  thegopnik Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:17 pm

    so 66kms is the new range than the estimated 40km max range for Lancet i will post that in the drone section as well, thanks

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:22 pm

    Belisarius wrote:🛸 Lancet hit a Ukrainian mig-29 at Krivoy Rog airfield.


    https://t.me/llordofwar/204433

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Lancet kamikaze drone strikes the Ukrainian Dolgintsevo airfield in the Krivoy Rog region.

    It is very interesting how two Lancets were able to overcome such a distance - after all, from the nearest point on the left bank of the Dnieper to the airfield there are almost 65 kilometers. And remembering how the Lancets are carried and launched, I doubt that these are saboteurs. Moreover, the drone was flying FROM THE NORTH

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    Post  nomadski Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:55 pm

    Thanks for your replies . It looks like some think Russia has more than 50% achieved it's war aims , yet others believing in full victory , not stating a percentage . And all thinking that , it is early days and war should continue until complete victory 100% . In fact some said , no alternative , since Orcs can not accept peace and Russia will not accept anything but complete victory , until Orcs removed and NATO out . One or two highly dislike the idea that , maximum or most effort possible has already been made , and the contemplation of ,  or acceptance of more Russian refugees .

    I think the only guarantee that local populations will not be subject to ethnic cleansing , is the actual presence of troops in those areas . Even if the Orcs and NATO run away at some stage , and the Orc's rule ends ,  then Russian troops need to advance , where the Ukrainian lines collapse . It is not enough , just to destroy hardware or kill Orcs . Also interdiction of supplies needs to be speeded up . Russia can not afford to worry about the UNSC response , when it hits a ship bound for Ukrainian port , or worry about possible " embarassing" hit against a repair yard . They are doing their worst already anyway . One idea to stop a ship , without sinking it , is to hit the Rudder . See ! No smoke or tears , and no arms shipment either ! Russians need to have the strength of their convictions . Unfortunate a sacrifice is unavoidable and needed,  if full 100% complete victory is to be achieved .
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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:39 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:🛸 Lancet hit a Ukrainian mig-29 at Krivoy Rog airfield.


    https://t.me/llordofwar/204433

       🇷🇺🇺🇦 Lancet kamikaze drone strikes the Ukrainian Dolgintsevo airfield in the Krivoy Rog region.

       It is very interesting how two Lancets were able to overcome such a distance - after all, from the nearest point on the left bank of the Dnieper to the airfield there are almost 65 kilometers. And remembering how the Lancets are carried and launched, I doubt that these are saboteurs. Moreover, the drone was flying FROM THE NORTH

    The most interesting is that they didn't hit them way before with a salvo of BM-30 smerch. They are in the open, 60km away and can be used as spare part for the ones launching nato missiles. Another dumb thing by the russians.

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    Post  Isos Tue Sep 19, 2023 5:57 pm

    Looking again, there is like at least 5 mig parked there.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:53 pm

    Mir wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    I would rather say build a new one by canibalizing parts of this one.

    2 years is the time needed to build a new one.

    One of the boats was built in +/- 14 months, in peace time.
    I guess they can go to a year, and make more than 2 at the same time.

    I think it's safe to say it will fail a hydro pressure test Laughing

    Not according to some reverse-loaded colloid drinkers here Laughing

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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:40 pm

    It is very interesting how two Lancets were able to overcome such a distance
    New batteries could do the trick. Or a new version with some extra batteries.

    I think it's safe to say it will fail a hydro pressure test
    For most of the last 10 years Alrosa looked worse.  Laughing
    A few roles of duct tape and the sub is like new.  thumbsup

    Saw that in the last video from Martyanov:
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    Su-34 using Kh-101 would be great.
    The Kh-59/69 are not long-range and the Izd. 720 is new.


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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:43 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    nomadski wrote:From zero to one hundred , zero being a total defeat and one hundred being total victory for Russia , where do you all think Russia is now ? If Russia did nothing at all and allowed the Orcs to evict millions of Russians from their homes , as they said they would do , and advanced all along the border , and opened up with Artillery and Rockets , with their NATO buddies fighting , side by side , then this would be zero . And if Russia defeated the Orcs and removed them from power and established protection for all Russian speaking regions , with NATO pushed back firmly inside it's own territory , then this would be one hundred .

    Then the result now is perhaps fifty fifty . Some territory secured , some borders safe with advances , some still under fire on occasion or with incursion . Some Russians under protection , yet some still living under Orc rule . Some NATO forces inside Ukraine , and some outside . The question is , has Russia reached the maximum possible achievable goals by military operation ? And if so , then what to do for longer term solution ?

    I think it has , or will soon reach the maximum achievable results by military action . Then , the Russian population remaining in Ukraine , are unlikely to have a bright future . Many may choose to leave or go to Russia . Also the Orcs will remain in power , with NATO membership and Nukes on their soil . I think that Russia being a vast country , can use and accommodate these refugees . And I also think that Russia can compensate for Nukes based in Ukraine , by putting own Nukes closer to Europe or America , for a deterrence . Overall , it is a better result , than not doing anything at all  !

    In terms of American gridiron football, its late in the first quarter.  Russia is up 10-6.  Looks like a competitive game so far, but its still way too damn early to determine who wins this from a score position, but if you look at stats, its clear that the Russians are dominating this game but the game has not been going long enough for the scoreboard to reflect how lopsided this game is.

    Russia is dominating every possible way. It's just there are 50 minutes of the game left still and it doesn't matter how much one side is winning, and also the crowd may yet decide to crash it which is the X factor of the whole thing and why Russia has to be on its guard and prioritize a defensive play.

    Or whatever the ****. Never played American football in my life, sorry dunno

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:46 pm

    Isos wrote:The most interesting is that they didn't hit them way before with a salvo of BM-30 smerch. They are in the open, 60km away and can be used as spare part for the ones launching nato missiles. Another dumb thing by the russians.

    Doesn't matter what weapon you get them with, so long as you get them.

    Drones have the possibility to loiter and spot targets. They might not have known what was on the airfield if anything and then spotted a target of opportunity. Or perhaps there were no Russian Grad batteries in range.

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    Post  Hole Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:51 pm

    In terms of American gridiron football, its late in the first quarter.  Russia is up 10-6.  Looks like a competitive game so far, but its still way too damn early to determine who wins this from a score position, but if you look at stats, its clear that the Russians are dominating this game but the game has not been going long enough for the scoreboard to reflect how lopsided this game is.
    Russia is leading 48-9. Belichicks (Shoigus) defensive play is tearing the opponent apart, just like the short pass game of Brady (Gerassimov) to Gronk (Surovikin) and
    Edelman (standing for all the Chechen fighters). I give the Ukros 3 field goals for all their miserable attempts to score cheap points on TikTok.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:18 pm

    thegopnik wrote:West maybe laughing at the kilo sub getting destroyed but in the end the last laugh goes to Russia since a program with trillion-dollar investment got compromised. They might as well start giving F-35s to Ukraine now.


    Could be a seat malfuction, or a thumb malfuction. Also with the US forces if you do certain maneuvers and lose control of the plane, policy is you eject below 10K feet if you have not regained control. So its possible the auto pilot was executing recovery steps but did not complete before the 10K deck arrived.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:
    nomadski wrote:From zero to one hundred , zero being a total defeat and one hundred being total victory for Russia , where do you all think Russia is now ? If Russia did nothing at all and allowed the Orcs to evict millions of Russians from their homes , as they said they would do , and advanced all along the border , and opened up with Artillery and Rockets , with their NATO buddies fighting , side by side , then this would be zero . And if Russia defeated the Orcs and removed them from power and established protection for all Russian speaking regions , with NATO pushed back firmly inside it's own territory , then this would be one hundred .

    Then the result now is perhaps fifty fifty . Some territory secured , some borders safe with advances , some still under fire on occasion or with incursion . Some Russians under protection , yet some still living under Orc rule . Some NATO forces inside Ukraine , and some outside . The question is , has Russia reached the maximum possible achievable goals by military operation ? And if so , then what to do for longer term solution ?

    I think it has , or will soon reach the maximum achievable results by military action . Then , the Russian population remaining in Ukraine , are unlikely to have a bright future . Many may choose to leave or go to Russia . Also the Orcs will remain in power , with NATO membership and Nukes on their soil . I think that Russia being a vast country , can use and accommodate these refugees . And I also think that Russia can compensate for Nukes based in Ukraine , by putting own Nukes closer to Europe or America , for a deterrence . Overall , it is a better result , than not doing anything at all  !

    In terms of American gridiron football, its late in the first quarter.  Russia is up 10-6.  Looks like a competitive game so far, but its still way too damn early to determine who wins this from a score position, but if you look at stats, its clear that the Russians are dominating this game but the game has not been going long enough for the scoreboard to reflect how lopsided this game is.

    Russia is dominating every possible way. It's just there are 50 minutes of the game left still and it doesn't matter how much one side is winning, and also the crowd may yet decide to crash it which is the X factor of the whole thing and why Russia has to be on its guard and prioritize a defensive play.

    Or whatever the ****. Never played American football in my life, sorry dunno

    Eh, close enough. Its 10-6 now, and Russia has the ball and the Ukes have no air game and their ground gsme gains a yard (meter). The Uke cheerleaders are thrilled about that "game changing yard" they gained, but say nothing about the fact that all their starters are badly injured and they are running out of players to play the game. So yeah, its early in the first quarter, but you can tell that Russia is about to score 50 unanswered points to win it 60-6.

    So how is Russia doing in a non sport metaphor? Well this war is going about 93 percent in their favor.
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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:29 pm

    @garryb would it make you happier if I compared it to ATACMS
    It's 610mm? Uragan doesn't have the range nowhere near it. But KN-25 isn't there version of iskander. KN-23 is and as I said it's unlikely to have decoys etc etc. But there is no mistaking it's identical to Iskander if it doesn't have the bells and whistles then we wouldn't know as it not visible just like the Russian systems. KN-25 uses different sizes of rockets, one being 600mm, another 450mm, and smaller rocket although Info on the size of the smaller has been give only thing I found was a smaller rocket is available it could be 220mm or 300mm but the system itself is almost identical to HIMARS, (just for Info $168,000 for each GMLRS rocket) see below first image is KN-25 with smaller missiles

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    Post  Backman Wed Sep 20, 2023 4:56 am

    Not sure what this is. Real bridges across the Dniper?

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:45 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Not gonna pretend I am some well read up history nerd with a lot of theoretical "wisdom" under my belt, but isn't it rather typical that big countries like Russia move with a lot of inertia, and seem slow to adapt to rapidly changing circumstances at first, until they sort out an overall formula that works and then start steaming unstoppably to victory after a while?


    There is a Russian proverb, that Russkie volna zbierajutsa, no bystra jedut.
    Russians gear up slowly but drive fast.
    Is it an answer to your question? Laughing

    JohninMK wrote:A bit more on this

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    🇺🇦⚡A missile strike on the market in Konstantinovka on September 6 in the part of the DPR controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces was carried out by the Ukrainian side - The New York Times

    The most hilarious part of this story, it took them only two weeks to figure out the things that were crystal clear from the beginning.
    Admitting it only when there was no further option to deny the thing.
    Yet they still lie about that, because if they did any investigation, it is obvious clear that it was not a Buk system missile, but HARM.
    The registered explosion patterns, fragments size, and the picture of the missile reflecting in the roof of the parked cars leave no doubts about that.
    But Murican Wunderwaffe does not fail!

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    Post  Arrow Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:35 am

    New type loitering munition  Very Happy

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