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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:33 pm

    Sprut-B wrote:

    That is hilarious because it appears to be a suicide drone simulator but the vehicle in the TV image is Ukrainian... so he is flying his drone into a Ukrainian APC... hilarious...

    Emplaced in cities at key points they won't be in the Ka-52s habitat. And the short distances will mean that the inferior 105mm gun will matter rather less.
    Similarly as an assault gun for infantry fighting in cities it can also be useful.

    Against Russia with all its anti armour weapons and equipment it wont be much better protected than your average MRAP, but does have a better gun than most MRAPs.

    It is certainly not nothing, but it is the equivalent of taking T-55s and T-54s to the front line and using them instead of upgraded T-72s and T-90s.

    funny you mention Panther as that is to be Germany's new main Battle tank to replace the Leopard 2A7, the Panther KF51

    Should be ready in 20 years or so, but by then will they have the heavy industry to make them?

    I'm genuinely happy for Freddy, he deserved this pile of dough, may he spend it in good health

    Totally agree... he was probably hoping to give them modest overhauls and sell to a third world country that already uses Leopards, but now he has won the jackpot... but he does need to be quick and get the cheque cashed as fast as he can because when Kiev folds that will be it... the opportunity will be gone.

    The MIC will extend and prolong the war for profit .

    The western MIC is making very good money, but they are going to make good money no matter how long the war goes on... there is all the reserves and ammo and weapons in storage that needs to be replaced and of course replaced with new stuff which is more expensive so wont be replaced one for one, but there is also clear evidence that western weapons need serious upgrades and improvements and that their strategy of having the defence and attack based on air power and air defence being based on air power too is flawed and dangerous.

    Armour is under serious threat on a modern battlefield and the Russians clearly have all the new dangerous stuff the west thought it was alone in having which was going to make the fight easy for them. Drones and long range sniper rifles and body armour and modern C4ISTAR equipment, not to mention their superiority in EW... it is pretty clear that HATO JSTARS and AWACS and strategic drones they use for recon and intel gathering would not last long if they were not pretending to be neutral... they would be rapidly dealt with and HATO forces would be blind and deaf and in rather serious trouble.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 11, 2023 1:51 pm

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    For those who do not know what Polkovodets Rumyanstev was:

    After Kursk, the wehrmacht was incapacitated (much like Ukraine now), the wehrmacht had thrown its reserves at Kursk hoping to salvage its offensive potential and retain the initiative, but the Soviet defenses were layered and effectively chewed the wehrmacht into a spent force

    This meant the Wehrmacht also did not have any defensive potential in the Kharkov region. The soviets knew that if they attacked the German, there would be no way to prevent a soviet advance on Belgorod and then Kharkov.

    Simply because Wehrmacht had used its equipment, supplies, and manpower in Kursk

    So there was nothing left to really protect Kharkov

    If we draw comparisons, we can say Zaporozhye turned out eerily similar to Kursk - hundreds of burnt vehicles and tanks, many dead , and shortages of ammunition compounding the situation

    At the same time, Russian generals know that Ukraine is stretched, and if they want to prevent a collapse of the line, Ukraine will have to take reserves from other areas and try to defend anywhere Russia advances

    This is where Ukraine has a big problem - they will have no choice but to pick where they want to lose first, and right now Kupyansk looks like the winner

    Although I will say, Kupyansk and the Kharkov area north of Slavyansk is the most important real estate to prevent a defensive collapse

    Although without equipment, or ammo, it's gonna be hard for Ukraine to maintain any frontline as Russian troops overload them

    For Russia, all they have to do is press wherever they feel that Ukrainian defenders are not skilled enough or equipped enough, and gauge how much force they need to walk the line forward

    Gradually the entire front line will start to fold in the direction they apply mass, or conversely if Ukraine shifts reserves , then build mass in the area where Ukraine vacates

    In general, it means that the time for Russian offensives is near,

    And what followed Polkovodets Rumyanstev?

    Well operation Kutuzov

    And if you know about it, that would be the first Soviet offensive, which the wehrmacht could not stop - and guess where it took place?

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    Post  Godric Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:03 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    Godric wrote:anyone got a link to the video of the Russian soldier slagging western weapons systems like the Leopard tanks

    This one?

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/Russian-vents-about-the-state-of-the-West-and-it's-arms.:a


    yes thanks, that is the very video , it was truly epic and truthful

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:35 pm

    I always find it curious how when a particular place is destroyed, like the "pizza parlor" a while back or inded this hotel in Zaporozhye, that a big bunch of western journos immediately come out and go "oh, that's where we were X weeks ago"

    It's well-known that they mingle with VSU people all the time, and foreign mercenaries etc.

    Now, unfortunately there's always the risk of collateral damage, that's a given, but after the initial outrage has subsided a bit other curious obituaries usually start trickling in. I wonder what will eventually come out of this latest one. Further developments are of course of no interest to media, but yeah.

    Russia's goal is quite obvious: make people avoid the VSU and foreign mercs as the plague, as they are CM magnets. It is a wee bit of a cynical/callous approach, but pretty much lifted straight out of the U.S. GWOT doctrine. Except no random wedding parties.





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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 11, 2023 2:57 pm

    Western "journalists" are de facto NATzO spies. Like the clown who was dispatched to Russia to data mine personal data on military families
    in the guise of investigating Russian troop losses and got arrested. I recall back in 1999 western "journalists" were helping the KLA and NATzO
    in Kosovo.

    Considering the brazen level of propaganda in the "free" NATzO media, it is not surprising that they would be agents in the field. Western
    journalism has been weaponized for both external and internal control.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 11, 2023 3:47 pm

    Hole wrote: .....
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    Looks like some little "accident" happened in an oil depot in Rivne.  angel

    Hopefully this gets expanded to local NPP, plenty of stuff to zap in Rivne


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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:11 pm

    It seems hohols have evacuated this area:

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    This means they want to stand and fight there, my guess is they will pull reserves from Klesheevka and bring them to Oskol

    Meaning Bakhmut flank will be safe

    If they pull reserves from Orekhov, it would mean Russia can advance there

    This is a catch 22, nowhere to run, nowhere to hide anymore

    Conversely if they double down on Klesheevka, the entire left flank of VSU will be exposed from Valuyki to Seversk

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    Post  Hole Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:22 pm

    Now wait a few weeks and add an attack from the Northern/North-Eastern direction.  Very Happy

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:30 pm

    Hole wrote:Now wait a few weeks and add an attack from the Northern/North-Eastern direction.  Very Happy

    I think its a good idea, but maybe after the election in March, heading into summer

    So consolidate north of Slavyansk, advance where possible for winter,

    As spring comes, wait out the rasputitsa, and chill

    When the elections are over, end the war, and give biden the biggest ass kicking before November

    That's how I foresee it Very Happy
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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Aug 11, 2023 4:58 pm

    Pr 775 Ropucha class LST Olenegorsky Gornyak in dry-dock following a Ukronazi sea drone attack.   Is this the best the Ukrofilth and their NATOstani leash-holders can manage?  Razz
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    Post  mnztr Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:16 pm

    Hole wrote:Now wait a few weeks and add an attack from the Northern/North-Eastern direction.  Very Happy


    Yes and when the Ukes move troops to defend attack from Belarus and CLOSE THAT FUCKING BORDER for the love of GOD!!! bounce cheers
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    Post  Kiko Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:31 pm

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:25 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:The war can be won, if donbass is resolved

    At least the main part of the war which is high intensity , mechanized, and use of missiles and air defense

    The Donbass grouping of forces for the VSU, exceed 300,000 troops - this is the bulk of the Ukrainian army, making a last stand in Slavyansk-Kramatorsk

    They are dug-in and launch small unit attacks on Bakhmut, but they cannot defend Oskol-kupyansk-lyman

    They can only use these numbers in Donbass, because of the urban defenses they take advantage of there

    If Russia can finalize Oskol Reservoir offensive and start approaching Slavyansk,  the VSU will have to run away to the nearest city (Poltava) or stay and die jn Donbass

    Running to Poltava is going to be bad idea because Russian drones,  Helicopters, bombers,  and missiles will destroy any large forces which attempt to escape, and they cannot trickle 300,000+ men quietly to Poltava without "waking up" the VKS

    So standing and fighting here,  will mean no meaningful Ukrainian forces remain to defend the left bank

    There are isolated troops in Kharkov, Chernigov , Sumy, Poltava, but they are nothing like Donbass where the entire defense was interconnected

    Syrsky has a very tough decision to make : when will he begin to retreat to the right bank? A breakthrough in kupyansk or any part of the front will be the end for his men, they will be surrounded at any point ,

    And this is the main issue for Syrsky and Zelensky, losing Kupyansk will lead to domino effect in Seversk, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk

    And he has no reserves, only teraborona and they flee whenever Russian troops advance on them

    That's why the time for a limited offensive is now, the Ukrainian lines will break, and you can advance in all 3 sectors , Kupyansk, then Ugledar, then Zaporozhye,  and Zelensky will try to shuttle his remaining brigades to plug holes in his defense

    The Ukrainian army is never conducting a meaningful offensive again,

    They are the wehrmacht after Kursk, and the Russians conduct a polkovodets rumyanstsev


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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 11, 2023 6:54 pm

    Ritter is on the Mirotvorets "information terrorist" hit list. This list is approved by the US regime. YouCrap is under the control of the
    US regime. The US is a rotten oligarchy that is approaching totalitarian internal conditions. But the lemmings think they are the freest
    in the world.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:26 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:I always find it curious how when a particular place is destroyed, like the "pizza parlor" a while back or inded this hotel in Zaporozhye, that a big bunch of western journos immediately come out and go "oh, that's where we were X weeks ago"

    It's well-known that they mingle with VSU people all the time, and foreign mercenaries etc.

    Now, unfortunately there's always the risk of collateral damage, that's a given, but after the initial outrage has subsided a bit other curious obituaries usually start trickling in. I wonder what will eventually come out of this latest one. Further developments are of course of no interest to media, but yeah.

    Russia's goal is quite obvious: make people avoid the VSU and foreign mercs as the plague, as they are CM magnets. It is a wee bit of a cynical/callous approach, but pretty much lifted straight out of the U.S. GWOT doctrine. Except no random wedding parties.




    Russians are still easy on them.

    During the 1940's the Ukrainians murdered-off without any regard to age and sex entire unarmed defenseless ethnic Polish villages.



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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:00 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:During the 1940's the Ukrainians murdered-off without any regard to age and sex entire unarmed defenseless ethnic Polish villages.

    If it was not for their other doings I am sure we would all congratulate them.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:02 pm

    A forecast

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    We may be seeing Ukraine starting their main push. With the end of summer closing in combined with the possible Ukrainian withdrawal from the east of the Oskil River and the Ukrainian independence day upcoming as well as pressure from western countries and media for results we may see Ukraine start their main push soon.

    We've seen increased activity of Ukrainian assaults over the past few days after a period of "silence" where the Ukrainians had no advancements at all for a period of a week.

    Ukraine has entered Robotyne twice and has now captured half of Urozhaine which makes them very close to Russia's first formal line of defense.

    We now also see intensified attempts at river crossings across the dnieper.

    So the day is not far where we see Ukraine put 100% at it and do their final and biggest attempt at this offensive.

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    Post  Broski Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:28 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:Russians are still easy on them.

    During the 1940's the Ukrainians murdered-off without any regard to age and sex entire unarmed defenseless ethnic Polish villages.
    And today Poland fully supports the Ukraine so what's your point?

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    Post  Kiko Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:00 pm

    Kupyansk Clashes: Ukraine Forces Face Encirclement Amid Russian Advance, by Ilya Tsukanov for Sputnikglobe.com. 08.11.2023.

    Russian forces have advanced to within less than 7 km of Kupyansk, a Kharkov region town helping hold Ukrainian defensive lines together. What’s the area’s strategic significance? And what would its loss mean for Ukraine militarily? Sputnik reached out to veteran Russian military intelligence officer Anatoliy Matviychuk for his assessment.

    Russian forces are continuing their advance toward Kupyansk, the eastern Kharkov region settlement which serves as a major regional road and rail artery.

    On Thursday, Ukrainian authorities announced the mandatory evacuation of the Kupyansk district, including the town and over fifty surrounding villages.

    "In the Kupyansk direction, assault detachments of the Zapad group of forces improved their positions along the front line in the course of offensive operations," Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said the same day.

    Over a twenty-four our period, Konashenkov said, Russian forces "successfully repelled" seven attempted counterattacks by units of the 14th and 44thMechanized Brigades of the Ukrainian Army in villages in the Lugansk People’s Republic and Kharkov region. "Enemy losses amounted to more than 55 Ukrainian servicemen, two armored combat vehicles, three vehicles, an M109 Paladin self-propelled howitzer, and a US-made M777 artillery piece," the MoD spokesman said.

    Reports on Russian efforts to make headway along the Kupyansk direction of the front first began to filter through in mid-to-late July, with the MoD reporting the capture of Molchanovo railway station, situated north of the city.

    On August 7, Russian forces advanced 11 km along the front, and over 3 km into the depth of the enemy’s defenses, over a three-day period. A day later, Vitaly Ganchev, the head of the pro-Russian administration of Kharkov, said Russian troops had liberated five local settlements.

    How Will Ukrainian Forces Respond?

    Asked to comment on Russia’s operations in the Kupyansk direction, retired Army colonel Anatoliy Matviychuk, a veteran retired Soviet and Russian military intelligence officer and analyst with experience in Afghanistan and Syria, said that the advance will make Kiev’s forces hard pressed to fill gaps in the frontlines as their mobility is restricted by Russian superiority in air and artillery.

    "First of all, this is great news that we are returning those territories which we left in the fall during the forced withdrawal. Second, we are advancing, destroying the enemy’s reserves, destroying the enemy’s manpower, equipment, and this is very important, because we’re approaching Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Effectively, we’re not only creating the prerequisites for the return of these lands, but for the destruction of the entire [enemy] group of forces in this area," Matviychuk said.

    The observer says Ukrainian commanders have two options, neither of them enviable – to take the risk of deploying their reserves, or face the area's loss.

    "Kiev has one corps left, somewhere in the area of 30,000-35,000 troops, but has problems with heavy equipment. Kiev is trying to bring it into battle, but hasn’t been able to succeed, since introducing it piece by piece will mean its destruction [from the ground, ed.], while bringing it in all at once is impossible due to the lack of fire support from the air and on the ground," Matviychuk said, implying that Russian forces would immediately notice and react to the attempted deployment of a large group of enemy forces.

    Matviychuk cited Kiev's announced evacuation of the region as evidence that Ukrainian forces are preparing to completely surrender the area, with the evacuation likely introduced to strip Kupyansk of any useful industrial equipment and facilities, to mobilize any remaining men in the area, and gain a propaganda demonstrating that Kiev is "protecting the population of these territories from Russian aggression."

    "There's no one left to mobilize already, only children, old people, the maimed and the crippled. And by the way, they don’t want to leave, because this is their home. They're called 'waiters', many of them are waiting for the arrival of the Russian army," Matviychuk said.

    Kupyansk’s Strategic Significance

    If the Russian advance continues and Kupriyansk is taken, its long-term significance will match that as the loss of Artemovsk (Bakhmut) this past spring, Matviychuk believes.

    "This is first of all psychological damage and a drop in the morale of the army. Secondly, it will open up operational space for our forces, we can begin to perform maneuvers to encircle Ukraine's southern group of forces, closing the ring around Slavyansk and Kramatorsk [in the DPR]," he said.

    "Kupyansk occupies a very advantageous position. Both to the west and to the east it is a logistical link – both roads and a railway for the transport of supplies. In general, I would call this a strategic point on whose retention the stability of the defense of this entire direction depends. The loss of Kupyansk means the loss of stability, and after that we will be able to go directly to the Kharkov direction," Matviychuk summed up.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20230811/kupyansk-clashes-ukraine-forces-face-encirclement-amid-russian-advance-1112542228.html

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:12 pm

    "starting their main push"

    Freaking LOL. This is utter BS serving the NATzO talking points about how the mighty counter-offensive didn't get serious and it was all
    probing attacks. The Russian MOD statement that 43,000 Ukr soldiers have departed this mortal coil is factual.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:26 pm

    Svatove-Kreminna Sector
    Situation as of 18:00 on August 11, 2023
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    Post  Hole Fri Aug 11, 2023 10:02 pm

    kvs wrote:43,000 Ukr soldiers
    Wanted to state the same.  Very Happy
    KIA is closer to 50.000 by now. Plus wounded.
    This 100% is roughly 25% of what was there at the beginning of the "big counter-offensive".

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    Don´t know if this was captured or if it´s on the long way to Poland for "repairs".  lol1

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Aug 11, 2023 11:01 pm

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (11 August 2023)

    ◽In Kupyansk direction, assault groups of the Zapad Group of Forces continued offensive actions on a broad front and improved the tactical situation near Olshana and Pershotravnyovoye (Kharkov).

    ◽In the course of active defence, 4 attacks and counterattacks of AFU 32nd, 41st, 44th, and 67th mechanised brigades were repelled near Novosyolovskye LPR, Sinkovka and Mankovka (Kherson).

    ◽The enemy losses were up to 165 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 2 pickup trucks, 1 Krab self-propelled howitzer, and 2 AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar station.

    ◽ In Donetsk direction, the Yug Group of Forces' units successfully repelled 5 attack of assault groups of the AFU 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade, the 59th Motorised Rifle Brigade, and the 3rd Tank Brigade close to Nevelskoye, Belogorovka, Staromikhalovka, Maloilinovka, and Veseloye DPR.

    ◽The enemy losses were up to 180 servicemen, 7 IFVs, 2 pickup trucks, 1 Strela-10 anti-aircraft missile system, 1 M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery system, and 2 D-20 howitzers.

    ◽In South Donetsk direction the Vostok Group of Forces thwarted an enemy reconnaissance-in-force attempt near Staromayorskoye DPR.

    ◽3 attacks of assault groups of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade and the 38th Marine Brigade have been repelled near Nikolskoye and Urozhaynoye DPR.
    Up to 35 servicemen, 2 AFVs, 2 motor vehicles, and 1 D-30 howitzer were destroyed.

    ◽ In Zaporozhye direction, 3 attacks of the AFU 21st Mechanised Brigade were repelled by the Vostok Group of Forces near Uspenovka and Rabotino (Zaporozhye).

    ◽The enemy losses were up to 60 servicemen, 3 motor vehicles, and one D-30 howitzer.

    ◽In Krasny Liman direction, the Tsentr Group of Forces repelled 2 attacks of the assault groups of the AFU 68rd Infantry Brigade and the 42nd Mechanised Brigade close to Novoegorovka and Kremennaya LPR.

    ◽The enemy losses were up to 115 servicemen, 3 AFVs, and 1 D-20 howitzer.

    ◽In Kherson direction, up to 20 servicemen, 2 pickup trucks, 1 M777 artillery howitzer, 1 D-20 howitzer, as well as and 1 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer were destroyed.

    ◽Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Group of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 139 areas during the day.

    ◽A temporary deployment point of foreign mercenaries has been hit near Zaporozhye.

    ◽Moreover, 4 ammunition depots of AFU 24th, 43rd, 60th mechanised brigades and the 108th Territorial Defence Brigade have been destroyed close to Toretsk DPR, Cherneshina, Liptsi (Kharkov), and Gulyai Pole (Zaporozhye).

    ▫ Air defence facilities have intercepted 2 HIMARS MLRS projectiles during the day.

    ◽Moreover, 16 UAVs have been shot down close to Kupyansk (Kharkov), Lisichansk LPR, Artyomovsk, Volnovakha DPR, Oreknov and Gulyai Pole (Zaporozhye).

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    Post  Isos Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:07 am

    They are probably waiting for the new game to start and wait for the respawn of the ones that died lost.

    Someone should tell them Call Of Duty isn't the reality...

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