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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:19 pm

    The loss of the Tu-22 is material but not personnel. Get something from storage, upgrade it, that's fine. Material is lost in war. Here there were no high-quality sacrifices of pilots and the like. Case closed, let the hunters do the rest.

    There should at least be covered parking spaces (see Syria or China) which are closed on the sides with nets. This makes simple drone attacks less likely.

    mnztr wrote:So I don't think Putin visited just to say "HI". Is a counter- counter offensive in the works? I think Medvedevs latest statement saying the war could last for decades maybe a clue. Its either he thinks it will last for decades or he is concealing he massive escalation that is about to happen. I wonder of the BRICS summit will be the distraction or will they wait until after?

    The Commander-in-Chief inquired about the preparations, the goals of the possible offensive and what risks and political consequences could arise on the ground.

    This wasn't a troop visit. He definitely had his jacket on, so he wasn't there as a PR man but as a decision-maker. See video. It was important to him to wear it and act politically as head of state.

    This is symbolic and gives the signal to the west, the door is still open but if you continue, I will hand it over to the military again and they will then finally clarify it.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:25 pm

    thegopnik wrote:-Luna 25 lander got fucked up.

    The failure of Russian lunar operations is almost tragic but has less to do with war. It's more of a curse, or the charts in the space missions operations center just don't add up for the moon. It is quite possible that basic assumptions about the moon were hostilely sabotaged in the 1960s. The failure here at Mondmission is epic.

    But if you deliver perfectly on Venus, you can't always fail so colossally on the Moon or Mars. Therefore, somewhere a value must be wrong that is used over and over again.
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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:34 pm


    But if you deliver perfectly on Venus, you can't always fail so colossally on the Moon or Mars. Therefore, somewhere a value must be wrong that is used over and over again.

    NATO still haven't successfully planted Saboteur groups in the Russian space program at the time, also, the Boeing X-37 isn't in existence yet at that time, this aircraft possibly has a special instrument capable of disruption communication lines between Roscosmos and its outer space probes. This spacecraft needs to get rammed by "accident" by one of Russia's maneuverable satellites.
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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:56 pm

    Regarding Chinese gear - Not happy? Why? Russians prefer Russian gear but there is availability issue:

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    However, it must be added to the above that today it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy domestic helmets in any serious quantity, so many are looking towards China and I must say honestly, frankly, not unreasonably.
    So far, those "Chinese" that I came across - and these are helmets from the LEAF and ATLANT ARMOR project, confidently held 9 * 19 FMJ, BUT!
    But I will not GUARANTEE anything, in relation to the question.
    By the way, even helmets certified and officially accepted for supply are still shot back as part of large purchased lots.
     
    The main options for domes are still earless and full-eared, but since active headsets suddenly turned out to be JUST FUCKING the right device (we'll talk about them separately), earless helmets are becoming more and more.
    Pros:
    Weight - They are lighter, which is important in a 24/7 wearing format.
    Works best with active headsets.
    Ergonomics - if you need to remove the headphones, it is not necessary to remove the helmet for this - they just “click off” a little or are set aside and that's it.
    Minuses:
    Protection area - I tried to find at least one case when the only chip that fell into the temporal zone open with an earless helmet was put an end to, but to no avail.
    Either there were many of them, or he was alone, but of such a size that ...
    But the decision is up to you.
     
    Any helmet directly and directly affects ergonomics and the point is not that it is heavy, but, for example, shooting while lying down without a helmet is 100500 times more convenient than in a helmet.
    This problem is solved:
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    Secondly, by appropriate training, which is best done “on the shore”.»
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    Post  mnztr Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:01 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Mats Nilsson
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    Why would Russians use a very advanced rocket on the simple military drones exhibition?

    It is now reported from #Chernigov that there were not one, but two attacks on the city. The first, as we know, hit the building of the regional Drama Theater, where an exhibition of drone pilots was held.

    The second attack was aimed at the headquarters of the Main Intelligence Directorate and the reception of the Counterintelligence Department of the regional department of the SBU.

    So far, 54 people have reportedly died. 3 civilians. The wounded and injured exceeded 89 people.

    11 very badly injured  foreigners (officers from Poland and the Baltic States) were taken by air ambulance helicopter to Kiev and from there on board to Poland.

    Senior officers and the general were taken by helicopter to Vinnitsa, where they will decide what to do next. Most likely, some of the senior officers will be lucky enough to fly to Poland and from there to Munich or Düsseldorf.

    In the Chernihiv Drama Theater, a BND employee who was in charge of space communications and encrypted data transmission services, assigned to NATO headquarters in Vilnius, went missing.

    https://yaplakal.com/forum2/st/760/topic2660054.html

    Guessing that in a week or two we will see obituaries if indeed there was a hit  on the meeting of officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO from Poland and the Baltic States, before making decisions in Kyiv and Warsaw.

    If indeed there was a hit on the GUR/SBU meeting "opposite the theatre", this footage is however not yet published.


    I don't understand why Russia does not anticipate these VIP medical evacuations and have SU-35s or MIG-31's orbiting at high altitude to shoot down the helos. Do they WANT Ukraine to have helos? Goddamn sometimes I can see why Pregozhin got pissed. All those asshole mercs should understand there is no mercy for them and they will go home in coffins.

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    Post  mnztr Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:07 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    But if you deliver perfectly on Venus, you can't always fail so colossally on the Moon or Mars. Therefore, somewhere a value must be wrong that is used over and over again.

    NATO still haven't successfully planted Saboteur groups in the Russian space program at the time, also, the Boeing X-37 isn't in existence yet at that time, this aircraft possibly has a special instrument capable of disruption communication lines between Roscosmos and its outer space probes. This spacecraft needs to get rammed by "accident" by one of Russia's maneuverable satellites.


    Considering the debacle of constructing the spaceport, they don't need to. The rife corruption was enough. its a shame about the moon mission, if comms are being jammed I think the Russians would know it. Also the routines should be preprogrammed. The commss have a time lag of 2.6S I asssume there is a relay sat or several in space. So I would expect they sync timers and send the maneuver commands to execute at a set time. Real time control with such a time lag is not really possible.

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    Post  Isos Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:11 pm

    Nothing surprising. They just moved their nuclear triade long range bombers close to NATO where drones successfully hit targets in Russia almost weekly.

    I already said they will go for the tupolevs so better to move them in an airbase lost in Siberia where they can easily patrol the surroundings.

    Next target will for sure be Boreis. They will try to sink russia sunmarines for sure. Would surprise me if wheeled ICBM are targeted.

    Those drones are nasty.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:36 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Next target will for sure be Boreis. They will try to sink russia sunmarines for sure. Would surprise me if wheeled ICBM are targeted.
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    Don't be surprised if attacks on Russia's nuclear arsenal lead to strikes on American nuclear weapons as well. Laughing

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    Post  Isos Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:52 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    Next target will for sure be Boreis. They will try to sink russia sunmarines for sure. Would surprise me if wheeled ICBM are targeted.
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    Don't be surprised if attacks on Russia's nuclear arsenal lead to strikes on American nuclear weapons as well. Laughing

    No it won't. The ones doing it are ukrainians. They are already targeting their nuclear forces.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:05 pm

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    Over the past few months, Russian forces at this base dug new revetments to protect vehicles and equipment.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:10 pm

    Today, our air forces successfully destroyed a key river crossing in the Kupyansk direction using two UFAB-500M-62 bombs.

    This operation has pushed the enemy on the left bank of the Oskol River further back, and it has isolated the last remaining crossing near the settlement of Borovoy. Consequently, the supply situation for the enemy group defending the left bank of the Oskol River has significantly deteriorated, compounding their previous logistical challenges. The enemy group is now nearly completely cut off.

    As previously mentioned, our military forces are gearing up for a large-scale offensive. All preparations are in place!

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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:03 pm

    No it won't. The ones doing it are ukrainians. They are already targeting their nuclear forces.

    Yes it will. Also, its not the Russians who will hit American nuclear triad assets, but their proxies just like how Ukrainians is a proxy for the Americans.

    Tu-22Ms, just like Su-34s are nuclear "capable" but not necessarily a core part of the Russian nuclear triad. Hitting Borei and Yars launchers is a direct attack on Russia's nuclear forces and poses a severe threat to Russia's national integrity.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:07 pm

    The loss of the Tu-22M3 is bad. Very vital in use as a cruise missile launcher. Why they are based near Ukraine is beyond me. At that, there needs to be heavy EW and anti drones near all the airforce bases.

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    Post  PhSt Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:20 pm

    Why they are based near Ukraine is beyond me. At that, there needs to be heavy EW and anti drones near all the airforce bases.

    But wasn't it stated that the drone used in the attack was from inside Russia? Even if the bombers where based in Siberia of the saboteur groups are inside Russia the threat is still there, the FSB needs to work double time to weed out these NATO terrorist cells inside Russia. Everyone NATO terrorists captured needs to be given AIDS, Hepatitis D and Cancer before being sent to labor camps. attack

    if the FSB is not enough to guarantee Internal security then perhaps the MGB needs to be revived to complement the former.
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    Post  nomadski Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:21 pm

    So the Russian moon mission failed ? Good ! Even better if India moon mission succeeds right now  . It would be terrible now for the Russian troops , if moon mission succeeded . Hubris feeds on false victories that grow arrogance . Arrogance leads to defeat . Buying or making , that's the question . As long as buying does not stop or slow down making , but speeds it along ,  then buy . And Russia made gains in the North ? Objectives expanding beyond LDPR ? Well it was predictable . Wishful thinking for peace and a cease fire and stopping or reducing arms supplies to Kiev and political settlement .....machinations of a peace loving madman . There is victory in defeat and defeat in victory .


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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:23 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Why they are based near Ukraine is beyond me. At that, there needs to be heavy EW and anti drones near all the airforce bases.

    But wasn't it stated that the drone used in the attack was from inside Russia? Even if the bombers where based in Siberia of the saboteur groups are inside Russia the threat is still there, the FSB needs to work double time to weed out these NATO terrorist cells inside Russia. Everyone NATO terrorists captured needs to be given AIDS, Hepatitis D and Cancer before being sent to labor camps. attack

    if the FSB is not enough to guarantee Internal security then perhaps the MGB needs to be revived to complement the former.

    As well, the jets should be in shelters of such kind. This is just stupid that they aren't.

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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:27 pm

    sepheronx wrote:The loss of the Tu-22M3 is bad. Very vital in use as a cruise missile launcher.  Why they are based near Ukraine is beyond me. At that, there needs to be heavy EW and anti drones near all the airforce bases.

    No it isn't very bad. It is just bad. A TU-22 was lost in the Georgia war. They get lost in training. It is just as loss like any other. But because its Russia, and the whole western media complex hypes it up, it makes it feel worse than it is. One plane. No pilots. Who tf cares.

    Russia is manufacturing new Tu-160's. Tu-22's are far from a perfect aircraft.

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    Post  Hole Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:55 pm

    An impressive hedge line or trench bang. The UA should consider issuing parachutes.
    That´s NATO training, baby. No other soldiers can leave a trench that fast.  lol1

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    Post  Backman Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:31 pm

    There is some talk lately on the Z channels that Ukraine will eventually sign an unconditional surrender. This is not going to happen. The only way that this would happen is if a faction in the Ukraine military overthrew Zelensky, took the US embassy hostage and then signed a surrender with Russia. Which cant be ruled out. If this war goes for another 3-5 years.

    But short of that, there will be no surrender in the foreseeable future.

    Russia has 250,000 troops trained in reserve. Is this enough to take Kiev ?

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:32 pm

    Backman wrote:There is some talk lately on the Z channels that Ukraine will eventually sign an unconditional surrender. This is not going to happen. The only way that this would happen is if a faction in the Ukraine military overthrew Zelensky, took the US embassy hostage and then signed a surrender with Russia. Which cant be ruled out. If this war goes for another 3-5 years.

    But short of that, there will be no surrender in the foreseeable future.

    Russia has 250,000 troops trained in reserve. Is this enough to take Kiev ?

    Mixed with current forces there, yes.

    The Ukrainian military doesn't need to overthrow the leadership to surrender. They can always surrender on their own accord. Cant fight if your military decides to call it quits.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:34 pm

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    Ukrainian authorities plan to evacuate residents of 68 settlements in the Kharkiv region due to the "threat of invasion", according to documents obtained by RIA Novosti
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    Post  psg Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:43 pm

    We all know they have made concrete and metal/prefabricated shelters, like in Syria before. Once this SMO is over, we will see new infrastructure, bases modernised, weapon storage facilities etc rebuilt or built from scratch.

    There placement will depend on the new defined borders, once them dumb fks have had enough of being slaughtered. As far loosing a TU-22M3, they have plenty left, but would need to set up more active and passive anti drone systems, to protect the modernised TU-22M3M versions where ever they are or will be based.

    We have a number of finalised systems ready or being put into production, like the mini missiles for the Panstir, new programmable 23mm ammunition, as well as new radars and sensors. So alot is being done behind the scenes, MIC, research and development are not sitting idle.

    A year ago many complained about not having enough reconnaissance and intel gathering platforms namely uav's, look at the situation now, we have many types operating in the field, hundreds of them, as well as the Lancet loitering attack munition, already with the new updated Izdelie 53, plus the thousands of FPV attack drones.

    This SMO is a huge eye opener for the RF Armed Forces, all branches. They are constantly changing tactics, adapting to and countering new threats, as they surface.

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 A recent satellite image of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ammunition depot destroyed on August 19 near Lysogorka, Khmelnytsky region. At the site of one of the strikes, a funnel with a diameter of 100 meters was formed.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:06 am



    An outstanding and long interview with Lukashenko made with a Ukrainian opposition TV host star who was forced to flee "free Ukraine".
    I guess you can switch EN subtitles as it is in Russian.
    Tons of very informative pieces, so just enjoy.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:07 am

    mr_hd wrote:so another day and three russian regions are under drone attacks. Airports were again disrupted briefly... 
    Ukraine is more and more able to bring war back deep into Russia and that is perfectly ok. 
    It is not terrorism how idiotic russian state media call it - it is simply fair and just reciprocity.

    And we are few months away from readiness of heavier strike drones that Ukraine is developing, 3 different types are known so far that are coming. It will be interesting to see how Russian air defense will work against mix of decoys, cheap light and heavy strike drones all at one. 

    As per battlefield, last week one more village was liberated but also 1km deeper inside of russian occupied territory by the Ukrainian forces. Russian forces held till last moment and then had to retreat fast... there is a clip of it online, they had many casualties and was not pretty. 
    Ukraine proudly presented mines laying equipment it destroyed. 

    Ah and two KA-52 were shot down too. 

    It seems Ukraine adjusted to Russian defense tactic and is dealing with it appropriately. 

    Ps. since this site is insanely one sided someone needs to put a bit news from other side and bring perspective. War in any case is lost for Russia.

    And how many times have you been on here to pronounce the latest Ukrainian cunning plan or tactic to win the war?

    No-one cares about these 'heavier strike drones' that crash into some random building in Moscow city every 2-3 weeks. It's managable.

    No-one cares about that 1 village Robotino that the Ukrainians have been trying to take for some 6 weeks now. Or whatever village it was that they captured that you're talking about. Talk about moving the goal posts. Remember when the goal of this offensive was to capture Melitopol and sever the Russian-land bridge to the Crimea.. and now you're talking about a village and 1km further into Russian-held territory (in reality, 1km further into the gray-zone.. the Russian-held territory is where the Surovikin line is).

    Russia has captured 5 villages just over the past few days in the Kharkov region. While the Ukrainians have to sacrifice countless men to capture 1. Talking about Russian losses is pointless as you're robbed of the context. Did the Ukrainians show you how many casualties they took then, and all the days previous, to capture this point? Didn't think so.

    Now get lost

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