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    Post  franco Tue Aug 08, 2023 8:10 pm

    Ukrainian-Russian war entered in the five hundred and thirty-first day while the highly acclaimed Ukrainian counteroffensive entered on its second month. These are the gains #UkrainianArmy achieved during this period:

    1. Zaporizhia front:
    - Lobkove axis: 7,5 sq Km
    - Orekhiv axis: 13 sq Km

    2. Donetsk front
    - Velyka Novosilka axis: 24,5 sq Km
    - Southern Bakhmut front: 16 Km


    Regarding the following data the counteroffensive lead to the recapture of 61 sq aproximately, which is 3,4 times less territory than the one taken during the first month of the counteroffensive.
    The fact that this territory was retaken again with a huge cost of lives and material is a clear symptom the planned counteroffensive is not going according to the Ukrainian plans. The first Russian defense line still far from Ukrainian troops and even further is the cities of Melitopol and Tokmak and therefore the Azov sea.
    The best result for Ukrainian side is located south of Bakhmut in which troops put #RussianArmy inside and around Klishchiivka/Кліщіївка under big pressure and the situation remains very difficult as the adjacent hills still in fierce dispute or under Ukrainian control. The breakthrough in this axis might led to the cut of the southern road to Bakhmut, which suppose a risk for the supply within the city.

    https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1688962546693246984

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    Post  Arrow Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:02 pm

    soon Ukraine will have no more SU-24 to fire them according to figures they are down to there last 8 SU-24 in service and the airbase they operate from was pounded last night wrote:

    We'll see if they keep attacking with Storm Shadow projectiles.

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    Post  pavi Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:20 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Just out of interest have we seen or heard of SOSNA-R, Tunguska, S-350 being used or taking anything out? Maybe I have missed any posts on it.

    Earlier this spring I read that S-350 has shot down aerial target in fully autonomous mode. It was first ever fully autonomous kill in the world from SAM system. I don't remember telegram channel which told this and I can't be sure is this information correct or not.

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    Post  Hole Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm

    How it starts vs. how it ends ...
    Father and son?  lol1

    recapture of 61 sq 
    The area was not "recaptured", it is in the grey zone.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:06 am

    ALAMO wrote:Today is a good date to remember ...

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    How it starts vs. how it ends ...

    He's looking a lot worse than that now. Karma 😁

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 09, 2023 1:44 am

    Though personally I would have preferred more T-90s to be sent rather than T-80BVM. The T-89BVM as such doesn't bring any major technological benefit, just the number that counts.

    They are good enough to deal with anything Kiev is deploying or can deploy, and they would be effective in the role.

    And if they are lost then they can be replaced with new build T-90s and later T-14s.

    Striking civilian infrastructure is necessary to save Russian lives

    It wasn't civilian infrastructure... it was a military HQ and mercs lodgings...

    Regarding tanks, it is said that the USA finally announced that the downgraded versions M1 Abrams will be sent to the Maidan regime by autumn this year.

    I wonder how much the USA charges the Maidan regime for each of these pieces.

    Even stripped down they use a lot of fuel... more than the Orcs can probably supply... so if they do get some they will be used to guard fuel dumps because they wont be able to operate very far away from fuel supplies.

    soon Ukraine will have no more SU-24 to fire them according to figures they are down to there last 8 SU-24 in service and the airbase they operate from was pounded last night

    When France announced it was sending its Storm Shadow missiles the Russians hit Ukrainian air bases with Su-24s... not a coincidence.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:32 am

    GarryB wrote:

    It wasn't civilian infrastructure... it was a military HQ and mercs lodgings..

    There's a lot more of it which needs to be hit

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:42 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    GarryB wrote:

    It wasn't civilian infrastructure... it was a military HQ and mercs lodgings..

    There's a lot more of it which needs to be hit

    Absolutely. What should have happened since day one was the leveling of every bridge across the Dniepr, the leveling of every single government and administrative building, the cratering of every major airfield and airport, the ruination of every large railyard and terminal. While civilian infrastructure should not be hit, there is no reason at all for anything that is not Russian controlled to still have electric lighting or internet or running water. This would cause a refugee crisis that would cripple the EU economy even more, would swamp roads and rail needed to move NATO weapons east. I am not calling for genocide or nukes, just massive displacement. Near the front? Well Ukraine likes hiding troops in apartment blocks? Drop leaflets and warn civilians if they stay they are risking certain death as Russia will level any building from which they are fired. Kiev wants air raid sirens whenever foreign leaders arrive? Russia should build on that. No foreign leader should feel safe visiting anywhere in Ukraine.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:46 am

    Patrick Lancaster has interviewed some of the soldiers at the front. Some mobilized from Russia, some locals from Donetsk. Overall it's pretty interesting

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:52 am

    War crimes of the Maidan regime against civillians.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/581022-donetsk-shelling-civilian-deaths/

    Three dead, 11 wounded in Donetsk shelling – authorities

    Ukrainian forces have used US-supplied cluster bombs against civilians in Donbass

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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 09, 2023 8:44 am

    IMO the military sends t-80 because they always wanted to remove it totally from service. Now the more are destroyed the more new t-90M will be bought. However it is the best tank in their service if we don't considere t-90M. Former t-90 are not better.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:24 am

    You are better to use up the older stuff than keep the older stuff for later use... what are you keeping it for?

    You kept it to use it... so use it.

    They are no longer in production so once they are used up they are gone, but that is OK because when they are gone you have fewer different vehicle types in service making maintenance and training easier and simpler.

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    Post  Mir Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:51 am

    pavi wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Just out of interest have we seen or heard of SOSNA-R, Tunguska, S-350 being used or taking anything out? Maybe I have missed any posts on it.

    Earlier this spring I read that S-350 has shot down aerial target in fully autonomous mode. It was first ever fully autonomous kill in the world from SAM system. I don't remember telegram channel which told this and I can't be sure is this information correct or not.

    Yes that info was published in RT and Sputnik? as well.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:06 am

    Isos wrote:IMO the military sends t-80 because they always wanted to remove it totally from service. Now the more are destroyed the more new t-90M will be bought. However it is the best tank in their service if we don't considere t-90M. Former t-90 are not better.


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    Would have been nicer if they upgraded then to Black Eagle standards to evaluate the design in real battlefield conditions

    Do these tanks still use gas turbines as opposed to diesel? I the Russian army had bad experience with gas turbines from the first Chechen war, but tank casualties back then could be a result of poor planning rather than actual tank characteristics.

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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:07 am

    Not only older but also more expensive to use. T-80 was very good since the beggining, BVM must be wonderful but if the economics don't follow it is not that good.

    Nato expensive weapons can't be replaced in Ukrainian army because they are expensive, no matter if they are good or not.

    Thus when you have a t-72 or t-90 that can be almost at the same level as your expensive tank then you choose it.

    This war just reminded that numbers are still better than quality. It's not the few fancy weapons that impact the war but the mass produced ones.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:14 am

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58417

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    NATO and Ukrainian sabotage groups still seem to maintain a presence deep inside Russia with occasional attacks on some of Russia's defense enterprises. Russia needs to bolster security in its industrial and defense plants to keep these kinds of incidents to a minimum.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:18 am

    Isos wrote:

    This war just reminded that numbers are still better than quality. It's not the few fancy weapons that impact the war but the mass produced ones.


    You have a point but I think crew protection is something that's equally essential in today's warfare unlike during the era of ww2, especially in relation to today's demographic trends not just in Russia but the whole world in general. Also, tank crews today have a lot more to learn/ train as equipment has become more sophisticated, so I think crew protection is a must therefore Russian needs to invest more research and development in this area and keep their tanks, aircrafts, ships, etc more survivable for the personnel
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:26 am

    GarryB wrote: They are good enough to deal with anything Kiev is deploying or can deploy, and they would be effective in the role.

    And if they are lost then they can be replaced with new build T-90s and later T-14s.
    Another reason could be the T-80BVM's autoloader carries more ammo than the T-72/T-90, with 28 rounds compared to 22 rounds. Perhaps the intention is to hit Ukrainian MBTs with more rounds.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:35 am

    Key officers gone

    In the last week, the results of airstrikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on Orekhov, Zaporozhye region, began to surface in Ukrainian social networks.

    On July 30, Alexander Sokorenko, lieutenant of the military operations planning headquarters of the 47th brigade, and Vladimir Vyalik, major of the operational management department, died. As you can see, the date of death on the same day indicates the arrival of a Russian air bomb at the command post.

    On August 3, the senior lieutenant of the electronic warfare forces Andrey Galich was destroyed, and already on August 4 Lieutenant Colonel Slabenko Sergey was killed. The location is still the same - the city of Orekhov, which is a kind of headquarters for the control of the advancing brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:54 am

    Even the description 'arms dealer' is now sanitised Laughing

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    ⚡ A “secret country” bought 50 Leopard 1 tanks from a private collector in Belgium and is sending them to Ukraine

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    To the news that Rheinmetall bought 50 old Leopard 1 tanks from Belgium for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, most of which should be transferred to Ukraine, one can only add what has already been said many times before by many commentators: tanks, like any other type of weapon, only as good as how well it is used. In the context of a growing diverse zoo of technology, it’s hard to talk about the effective use of tanks by Khokhl, to put it mildly.

    The features of the Leopard 1, in addition, practically do not imply its effective use in the offensive, especially the offensive against fortified positions. The armor of this tank does not allow it to withstand the fire of any modern anti-tank weapons, starting from the 100-mm guns of the T-55 tanks. At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine actually do not show any advantages that would allow this disadvantage to be compensated - tanks are used in small groups, along poorly explored routes, with insufficient support, and as a result, they suffer losses.

    The only thing that is good for the Ukrainian here is the 40-ton Leopard 1, in which case it is much easier to evacuate from the battlefield than the Leopard 2, starting from 57 tons.

    What is the meaning of such a transfer, given all that has been said? The fact that the layman does not go into details, and the message about “50 tanks will be handed over” still sounds better than “nothing will be handed over”. However, who cares - in Germany, there are gradually more and more people asking questions about the meaningfulness of such assistance already for the Germans themselves.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:58 am

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    Post  Arrow Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:59 am


    Or Ukrainian UAV or sabotage.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:04 am

    PhSt wrote:https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58417

    NATO and Ukrainian sabotage groups still seem to maintain a presence deep inside Russia with occasional attacks on some of Russia's defense enterprises. Russia needs to bolster security in its industrial and defense plants to keep these kinds of incidents to a minimum.

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    The pyrotechnics warehouse of the Piro-Ross company, which rented premises on the territory of ZOM Z, in #SergievPosad exploded. The number of victims increased to 18 people-Mash

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:07 am

    Highlights of Russian Military Operation in Ukraine on August 8

    ▪Despite the recent opening of the border crossing, the AFU have launched an artillery strike on the village of Kolotilovka.

    This blatant provocation once again shows the attitude of the Kyiv regime towards any peace initiatives.

    ▪ In the Kupyansk sector, Russian units continue to conduct a successful positional offensive.

    As a result of the fighting, important positions were taken. The zone of control was expanded south of Vil'shana and Pervomaiske.

    ▪In the Bakhmut section, Russian forces have managed to stabilize the situation north of the city.

    At the moment, Russian artillery and aviation are actively working on the enemy positions.

    ▪ On the southern flank, the AFU have once again stepped up fighting and are conducting an offensive at the Andriyivka - Klischeiivka line.

    At the moment, the enemy's attacks are being held back by Russian units.

    ▪ On the Vremivka sector, Ukrainian units attacking from the north and north-east managed to enter the outskirts of Urozhaynoye.

    Later, as a result of a Russian counterattack, the enemy was forced out of the village and withdrew to their previous positions.

    ▪ The situation was similar on the Orekhivskyi section, where AFU units temporarily occupied the northern outskirts of Rabotyne.

    Nevertheless, the enemy failed to gain a foothold in the village: Russian units regained full control of the village.

    ▪ On the Kherson direction, Ukrainian units carried out a landing on the left bank of the Dnieper west of Kozachi Laheri.

    Taking advantage of the surprise effect, the enemy was able to advance to the settlement, but was pushed back.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:24 am

    Hope the danger money is good but I suppose these men could be regarded as technical support mercenaries. Photos at link.

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    The frontline repair groups themselves are by no means a new phenomenon: we wrote about them a couple of days ago. It takes a lot of time to transport installations for full-fledged maintenance, which is unacceptable in conditions of active combat. What can be repaired by hand is not sent to the factory.

    Looking at the coniferous trees caught in the frame, most likely, the repair is taking place somewhere in the north-east of Ukraine. This is also indicated by the Polish guns themselves, which are most massively represented in the Kharkiv region and a small part of the LPR occupied by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    🔻Such bases, as a rule, are placed close enough to the front, but beyond the reach of artillery fire. This allows you to quickly return equipment after repairs to the battlefield, and if there is a railway near the workshops, the delivery process becomes even faster.

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