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    Post  Backman Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:21 am

    ^ what is the point of internal troop transport anymore ? The vehicles just get turned inside out. Survival is more likely just riding on top. Or just use fast light side by sides or quads.

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    Post  mnztr Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:36 am

    Hole wrote:
    kvs wrote:43,000 Ukr soldiers
    Wanted to state the same.  Very Happy
    KIA is closer to 50.000 by now. Plus wounded.
    This 100% is roughly 25% of what was there at the beginning of the "big counter-offensive".


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    Don´t know if this was captured or if it´s on the long way to Poland for "repairs".  lol1


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    Post  Backman Sat Aug 12, 2023 12:57 am

    Pythons buddy again. Very Happy  It is a fairly good update on Wagner imo.

    The whole Wagner gang is all back together again. Sergey Utkin is making speeches and getting applause in Belarus. (2:00) What do with think of this guy ? There is some evidence online that he has nazi tats n shit. Seems like a true nutter. He reminds me of Otto Skorzany.

    If the video is correct, the number of Wagners in Belarus exceeds the ground troops of the Belarus army. Very few Wagners actually signed contracts with the MOD. So nothing really has been solved here. And the allegiance of Wagner could still be called into question IMO. Lukashenko hasn't even stamped out the US NGO scum as much as Russia has yet. Belarus "opposition" are counting Wagner convoys presumably inside Belarus somehow. i mean Christ. It looks like Putin and Shoigu didn't get their way somehow. This whole thing makes me question again whether the coup was a false flag or something.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Aug 12, 2023 2:13 am

    not quite a lot of HQ footage on TG sources the last days.
    But here's what i got:

    first 2 vids NSFW for dead troops, maimed bodys

    RF VDV D-30 artillery assists in taking out Ukrainian assault in the Kleshchevka area, Artemovsk region


    Ukrainian pov, aftermath of RF AT mine strike


    Footage of RF cruise missile arrival at Riviera Hotel in Zaporozhye, where Kiev mercs where housed.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:32 am

    JohninMK wrote:A forecast

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    Ukraine has entered Robotyne twice and has now captured half of Urozhaine which makes them very close to Russia's first formal line of defense.

    So the Ukronazishitcunts have spent ~50k KIA and 30-40% of their NATO supplied armour to get into sight of the 1st line of Russias defenses in one specific location?

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    I really hope these fools bring it on. Little Zellie Coke-Boi, pls give Russia the opportunity bring its firepower to bear with full effect on the massed ranks of your Ukrowermacht. They promise to neutralise the big bad Ukropi nationalist bullies that have you so scared for your personal safety. Your recent investments in body bag factories and grave-digging labour hire will earn you a(nother) ton of cash and you can buy another couple of Florida mansions for when all this is over... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:58 am

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    Wagner has turned into a full guards army

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:26 am

    Sprut-B wrote:
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    Photos are nice but live footage has been nothing by misses by wide margins



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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:46 am

    Backman wrote:Pythons buddy again. Very Happy  It is a fairly good update on Wagner imo.

    The whole Wagner gang is all back together again. Sergey Utkin is making speeches and getting applause in Belarus. (2:00) What do with think of this guy ? There is some evidence online that he has nazi tats n shit. Seems like a true nutter. He reminds me of Otto Skorzany.

    If the video is correct, the number of Wagners in Belarus exceeds the ground troops of the Belarus army. Very few Wagners actually signed contracts with the MOD. So nothing really has been solved here. And the allegiance of Wagner could still be called into question IMO. Lukashenko hasn't even stamped out the US NGO scum as much as Russia has yet. Belarus "opposition" are counting Wagner convoys presumably inside Belarus somehow. i mean Christ. It looks like Putin and Shoigu didn't get their way somehow. This whole thing makes me question again whether the coup was a false flag or something.


    Tbf this guy stays unbiased and gives his views on Material that you can prove, he doesn't go with unfounded claims which is what 99 percent of people on this forum do. Is he always right? No but he is one of the better reporters of whats going on for both sides. He isn't a Russian lapdog nor Ukie one, he just calls it how he sees it and the reality is you want you information from someone who is unbiased because you can be more sure the information is good as they aren't mentally on one side

    Do you mean active or reserve, current active Bela army is like 65k, reserves would put it at like over 500k of course.

    Wagner doesn't have that much men, I could see them being around 25k, I have seen information that supports that

    That said, having a large force like that running around on its own, isn't a good thing for sure. This could bite the russians in the ass in the future we will see.

    But I did notice they still wear russian flags on their uniforms, take that how you will


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Aug 12, 2023 5:56 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Wagner has turned into a full guards army

    Except, they had to fork over all their tanks, apcs, air defense, and armored vehicles to the Russians probably one of the conditions for being allowed to leave. Due to the fact the Russians supplied most of it to begin with

    So no they are just glorified light infantry with no real mechanized ability which will severely hinder their ability
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    Post  Tolstoy Sat Aug 12, 2023 6:43 am

    Russia's Sudoplatov volunteer effort is reporting its progress in centralizing and professionalizing their efforts: Their VT-40 drone is one of the most optimal FPV models in terms of price/quality ratio

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    Post  Sprut-B Sat Aug 12, 2023 7:21 am

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    Maybe a Grad barrage would have been more appropriate to take out the troops.
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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Aug 12, 2023 9:34 am

    When the mask slips off  lol1 .....
    I had to look it up to be sure he actually said this  lol1

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    "Right now, Russian imperialism can be stopped cheaply"



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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Aug 12, 2023 10:26 am

    An upgrade on this battle tested system. I love the simplicity of it drone+RPG-7 warhead.

    🇷🇺 Russians released a new version of the FPV-drone kamikaze "Ovod"
    ▪In the new version, the electronic component has been significantly changed, new propellers have been installed and several more technical details have been applied, which have not been revealed yet, but probably relate to the material from which the aircraft is made, as well as improved flight-technical characteristics.
    → The price of the first series of kamikaze drones "Ovod" was about 40 thousand rubles($401) while the latest version is a bit more expensive and reaches 65 thousand rubles ($652).
    ** Considering the extent of technical improvements, we cannot speak of a mere modification of the basic variant, but of the "Ovod-2" version of the aircraft.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:03 am

    GarryB wrote:That is hilarious because it appears to be a suicide drone simulator but the vehicle in the TV image is Ukrainian... so he is flying his drone into a Ukrainian APC... hilarious...

    Pretty sure that's just a cheeky 'shop What a Face

    Against Russia with all its anti armour weapons and equipment it wont be much better protected than your average MRAP, but does have a better gun than most MRAPs.

    It is certainly not nothing, but it is the equivalent of taking T-55s and T-54s to the front line and using them instead of upgraded T-72s and T-90s.

    That's why I compared it with the T-55. The T-55 is better, but the point still stands; these are obsolete tanks in both cases that are not fit for use as an MBT on the 21st century battlefield

    Yet Russia is still introducing the T-55s in theater despite having plenty of better tanks. Which means it has certain plans for them. Gun emplacements along the river, maybe fire support for Rosgvardia units operating against insurgents, or whatever.
    The Leo-1 can potentially be used by the Ukrainians for such auxiliary roles too. They found out the hard way that that French wheeled tank is not really a tank in this day and age and shouldn't be used as one. But it can be useful as part of a recon detachment to probe the enemy and then withdraw, or take advantage if it turns out the enemy has jack defense in that area.. reconnaissance in force.

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    Post  Isos Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:16 am

    Funniest trolling ever lol1


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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:34 am

    During the 1940's the Ukrainians murdered-off without any regard to age and sex entire unarmed defenseless ethnic Polish villages.

    I don't think you will get a lot of sympathy here because these scumbags are now getting the full support of Polands government and military, so they seem to not only have forgiven them but actually want them to do the same to Ukrainians and Russians now...

    Back then these pricks were nazis and they are nazis now... last time your people were the victim, but now you are using them to try to do to Russians and eastern Ukrainians what they did to Poles all those years ago.

    You should be telling your fellow Poles they are supporting the wrong side, but I suspect they are not listening.

    Frustrating for you I know... frustrating for us too.

    "There's no one left to mobilize already, only children, old people, the maimed and the crippled. And by the way, they don’t want to leave, because this is their home. They're called 'waiters', many of them are waiting for the arrival of the Russian army," Matviychuk said.

    I am sure they will be pleasantly surprised at the difference of how they are treated by Putins men compared with the treatment they got from Zelenskys men.

    ^ what is the point of internal troop transport anymore ? The vehicles just get turned inside out. Survival is more likely just riding on top. Or just use fast light side by sides or quads.

    People look at artillery and think a direct hit is needed to kill, but actually a miss can shower troops sitting on top of a vehicle with lethal splinters, so riding inside armoured vehicles is important.

    People sitting on top of vehicles are more situationaly aware of an ambush, but with airburst artillery and enemy small arms fire are horribly vulnerable too.

    Suicide drones carrying grenades or HE Frag warheads might kill everyone sitting on top of an armoured vehicle yet not scratch a single person inside.


    → The price of the first series of kamikaze drones "Ovod" was about 40 thousand rubles($401) while the latest version is a bit more expensive and reaches 65 thousand rubles ($652).

    Which shows what can be done in an MIC that does not gauge its own people for profit...

    The claims the Geranium was about $800 seem rather more convincing now because the price of motors and cameras and navigation and control systems is not enormously different across the different platforms...

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 12, 2023 11:45 am

    Yet Russia is still introducing the T-55s in theater despite having plenty of better tanks. Which means it has certain plans for them. Gun emplacements along the river, maybe fire support for Rosgvardia units operating against insurgents, or whatever.

    First of all they are upgraded T-55s and T-62s they are using, not bog standard original models, so they are not as bad as they used to be.

    But the question remains why keep them in storage if you don't intend to use them for anything.

    No doubt they likely have enormous amounts of ammo and spare barrels and engine parts also in storage that they can use up in this conflict.

    I would say in rear areas they are no better nor no worse than a more modern vehicle and I would say they would be better than Leopard 1 tanks unless they give those Leopards serious and expensive upgrades and improvements... which I would doubt because that will cut into their profits and delay their entry to the battlefield to possibly being too late to get paid... time is ticking.

    The battlefield is a very long strip of land and you can't afford to have top level tanks along every kilometre, but having a gun on an armoured vehicle in some of the gaps is better than nothing... especially when the enemy is running out of armour and is using human wave attacks to compensate for a lack of armour... a 100mm or 115mm gun will be as useful as any 125mm gun in that situation.

    The Leo-1 can potentially be used by the Ukrainians for such auxiliary roles too.

    They have lost too much... I doubt very much they can hold the current line let alone consider any advances anywhere. What is more likely to happen is Russian forces will push forward in various places and when Kiev moves forces to stop the advance the Russians can hit them while they are moving and when they arrive and start attacking the area they left from... all the while continuing to advance where they advanced to start with and Kiev will have nothing left to move.... and the lines will start to fold and reinforcements wont be coming from anywhere.

    Add in a few units with the smarts to surrender instead of being obliterated and Kievs position is not looking very good at all... and given time is only getting worse.

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