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    Post  kvs Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:40 am

    The Leopard 2 discussion is the same one as with the invincible HIMARS we had when they were introduced. These magical Leopard 2s
    will be trashed sooner or later.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:48 am

    Big attack this morning, over 3 waves, they got some positions

    But they were driven out, massive losses for Ukraine

    And one unit refused to attack, they thought if they pushed, the guys would retreat, but they did not retreat

    🇺🇦⚔🇷🇺"Ukrainian tanks have turned around and are leaving. Those [are the tanks]that are not burned(destroyed)." - war correspondent Aleksander Sladkov reporting from Zaporozhye direction

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:58 am

    Musings from Big Serge

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-dam

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jun 08, 2023 4:58 am

    kvs wrote:The Leopard 2 discussion is the same one as with the invincible HIMARS we had when they were introduced.   These magical Leopard 2s
    will be trashed sooner or later.


    If Russia's defenses continue to hold and these offensives continue to be useless then its quite possible that either leopards are not being committed to battle (I would not rule out Ukrainians selling them to terror groups fighting the US or even North Korea getting some of them) or that they are getting knocked out, no pictoral evidence doesn't mean much.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:31 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡ If the reports about the number of armor deployed and engaged in combat tonight are correct, then this is probably the largest tank battle since since Operation Hoveyzeh in 1981.  

    History is being made tonight. It is certainly sobering to realize that thousands are probably dead, dying or wounded right now.

    Edit* looks like Ukraine has taken a height, but RU armor is entering the fight

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:25 am

    June 12 will be defender Europe exercise

    Expect large Ukrainian attacks as we get close

    🇷🇺🇺🇦 News from the Zaporozhye Front, Orekhov direction

    The guys write that they burned columns of enemy equipment all night long, of which there were many. There are no front line changes.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:09 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:To put the flooding in Kherson into some perspective.  Luckily it was "only" the top works of the dam that were destroyed, ie the main body of the dam below the water level has remained intact.  The areas that have been flooded as probably best characterised as floodplains, so without checking a map, I'd expect that minimal population is located in the badly-impacted areas.  There will be extensive secondary-degree flooding, but not the harrowing and destructive flooding that washes away whole villages (like what was seen in the Fukushima tsunami for example).

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    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian side is opening all the floodgates for the discharge of water from the Dnepropetrovsk GRES, located upstream, in order to aggravate the consequences of the disaster.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:34 am

    Pussycats smoking denial stage&cover up in 3...2...1...

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    By the way, the previously reported pic with clearly smoking Leo2A4 was made in the same landscape and identical colours. So I guess any claims of it being faked from Syria is a cover-up.


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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:36 am

    Yup, no need to photoshop, just patience. Also, Bradleys and recovery vehicles too.

    Helicopters again?

    -Edit-
    Also, about fakes, I was talking about this. Original picture was used to mirror and superimpose. 
    I am not sure why would anyone photoshop, either to boost their tg channels or simply to discredit.
     

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:45 am

    I think both.
    The story with first claimed 8 pcs tasted assisted with tractors, did more damage than good.
    It is a shitstream denial agenda for a second day in a row.
    Ha ha ha, look at those stupid Russkie who can't distinguish a tank from a tractor!
    Showing nothing would be much better than that.

    This is nice.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/67843

    First, lancet takes out a battery radar of IRIS.
    Second, artillery arrives tearing their poor arses to pieces.

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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:17 am

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    ALAMO wrote:I think both.
    The story with first claimed 8 pcs tasted assisted with tractors, did more damage than good.
    It is a shitstream denial agenda for a second day in a row.
    Ha ha ha, look at those stupid Russkie who can't distinguish a tank from a tractor!
    Showing nothing would be much better than that.

    This is nice.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/67843

    First, lancet takes out a battery radar of IRIS.
    Second, artillery arrives tearing their poor arses to pieces.

    I mean, tractor or not tractor, pilots said they don’t know what it is and worked on it, they were in battle, not in a comfy chair behind the monitor (although, KA-52 working conditions are quite comfy compared to traditional layout helicopters) it’s not some Iraq suburb, there are no civilians, especially plowing the fields. RU mil community had a giggle and moved on.

    Now let UA fanatics deny reality, it’s funny to see how they twist and bend whole narrative around one detail.

    IRIS radar hit was in Kharkov direction, better than launcher as there are only 2 radars on whole Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:26 am

    Radar is assigned to the battery, and without it, you can't target anything further.
    So fancy and expensive "extended range" European Wunderwaffe that was to cover a 40 km radius turns into a kind of Tunguska equivalent limited to the line of sight.
    Every single case shows the giant difference between the systematic Russian approach to the battlefield clashing with western fancy toys made for catalogs and exhibitions ...

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:56 am

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    Ukrainian Zaporozhe Offensive Day 4 update

    After an operational pause yesterday the Ukrainians resumed attacks, with a large push north of Bakhmut and a smaller one on the border in Belgorod.

    The main effort, however, materialized south of Orekhovo attacking towards Tokmak.

    The Ukrainian Army appears to have thrown a division-sized element at the Russian lines south of Orekhovo, with large attacks reported (Ukrainian time) yesterday afternoon (image 1), last night (image 2), and another one as I write this in the morning (image 3).

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    🇷🇺⚔🇺🇦A heavy battle is going on on the first line of defense: the heroic company is holding back the enemy on the Zaporozhye front for 6 hours

    ▪The enemy continues to bring in reserves, trying with all his might to break through the front in a narrow area near the town of Orekhov in the Rabotino area.

    ▪The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has chosen as a target the joint between two company strongholds, where it is pressing with all its might.

    ▪In the trenches of one of our companies from the 291st regiment, the enemy fired continuously for 3 hours from all types of weapons to suppress ours, and then went on the attack.

    ▪The guys are supported by neighboring companies, tankers, soldiers of the 70th regiment, special forces and intelligence.

    ▪Heavy battle continues, artillery is very active on both sides.

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    By all accounts this is a very heavy combined arms assault using multiple armoured brigades (tens of thousands of men), large numbers of tanks, APCs, heavy artillery fire and is being conducted along the entire Zaporozhian frontline.

    Our warriors haven't even given up an inch 🇷🇺

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:02 am

    Is it only me who's getting Kursk vibes from all of this?

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:09 am

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    Many weapons are great, but once you introduce them to the battlefield, the other side learns how to counter them. That is a general observation, not only related to HIMARS.

    And Russians are:
    1) Jamming GPS, making them basically super expensive MLRS
    2) The Patsir AD was updated specifically to intercept HIMARS missiles by now, it was trimmed to prioritise and intercept them. So where you can't just jam, they are intercepted. But that is not 100% interception rate, but pretty close.

    No wonder weapons stays a wonder weapon for long. That is essentially why, the best weapons are kept back for as long as possible, since the clock starts ticking once they are in use on the battlefield.


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    According to reports from Sumy, Russian troops used a new tactic tonight. Thus a single "Geranium" hovered over the city for almost a whole hour, forcing the AFU to use up their entire stock of man-portable air defence systems.

    According to some reports, increasingly solid air defence equipment had previously been moved by the AFU command to Kharkov, to the border, and to the counter-attack places, and now helicopters could operate over the city at least. And most importantly, after shooting over the city, the Geranium hit an ammunition depot.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:15 am

    The thermals on ka-52 needs some improvments. They are really bad compare to the modern standards. They can take the one from t-90M much better.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:33 am

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise


    Anybody ask how these heavy equipment is getting to the frontlines ? If Ukrs are using NATO supplied heavy weapons ( or even light infantry crossing the River ) , then are they being transported across the forty or so Bridges or on the six remaining Dams or on Barges ? If entire Ukrs territory turned into a desert , with no civilians or infrastructure of towns or cities or food or water or factories or anything , then this NATO proxy force , will of course carry on as normal . They supplied Tanks , so they can supply food and water to the Orcs . So destroying everything on the River , will stop all supplies to the Orcs and trap them in the East . The effect on civilians ? Well 18 million left a year ago , and 8 million returned a month ago . They can all go to Poland for sure . Let EU feed them . GarryB was concerned about political impact , but it is too late for that . Plus , once Orcs defeated , then civilians will return quickly and have to face reality of life with no Orcs , but Russia in control . Important now to defeat the Orcs . All Dams and Bridges and Barges destroyed on Deniper is needed now . Russia can feed population in the East , if agriculture fails .


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:35 am

    Some geolocation of last night's battles has been done, the Leopard 2s and Bradleys were blown up before they even reached the frontline.

    Strong Kherson vibes here.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jun 08, 2023 11:50 am

    Scorpius wrote:Meanwhile, the Ukrainian side is opening all the floodgates for the discharge of water from the Dnepropetrovsk GRES, located upstream, in order to aggravate the consequences of the disaster.

    Yup and that makes a total fcking joke of all the NAFOstani and MSM bovine excrement about Russia destroying the dam... Seriously, these fcks are brain dead morons.

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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:02 pm

    Isos wrote:The thermals on ka-52 needs some improvments. They are really bad compare to the modern standards. They can take the one from t-90M  much better.

    We are not sure if exported video is bad quality or it is really bad. Sometimes exported video is so bad, but pilots still hit targets and it makes me think that maybe compression/downgrading is at play. But T-90M optics are very good, but probably can’t zoom in as good.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:05 pm

    Regular wrote:
    Isos wrote:The thermals on ka-52 needs some improvments. They are really bad compare to the modern standards. They can take the one from t-90M  much better.

    We are not sure if exported video is bad quality or it is really bad. Sometimes exported video is so bad, but pilots still hit targets and it makes me think that maybe compression/downgrading is at play. But T-90M optics are very good, but probably can’t zoom in as good.

    Could be.

    T-90M can use atgm with a great range so its thermaals allow nice zoom. If not they can use it as a basis for improvment on ka-52.

    If those videos are not changed and they have really this on their screens in the ka-52 then it's total shit.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:28 pm

    "Two top-armed and NATO-trained brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to advance several hundred meters and then they all died" -- Scott Ritter.

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    Post  kvs Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:29 pm

    Mercouris thinks that Shoigu is exaggerating with his claims of Ukr losses. He is missing the fact that the Kiev regime is engaged in pure human
    wave "flood the front with men" tactics. The ratio of Russian to Ukr losses is roughly 1:10, which is fully consistent with the differential in
    organization, training, and very importantly hardware. Apparently, Russian forces hit Ukr staging points in the rear. That is something that
    the Ukr side cannot do to the Russian side.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:44 pm

    UA is clearly frustrated, and just did what they always do when suffering setbacks: multiple MLRS hits on random civvies in Gorlovka just now.

    It's just impotent terror, as it has been for 9 years now.

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    Post  Serberus Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:49 pm

    I recall some footage a while back, made by Iraqi Mi-28 hitting isis , thermals were pretty good… i cant imagine Russian export helos would have better camera systems than top of the line Russian front line ka-52’s. I also seem to recall footage from Syria in general of being a much better quality across the board than what is being released by mod from Ukronazistan, i assume its downgraded by design.

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